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Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:05
by JamesPhilips
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:01
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 11:49
The Herol Graham myth is slightly nauseating. Oh he never got the chances he deserved! Er 3 world title shots, Euro and British titles. Oh he was untouchable! Yeah except getting laid out 3 times and clearly outpointed twice by Kalambay and also Mccallum. Meanwhile Wayne Alexander only got one shot at the world title at 24 hours notice!
I mean what were his best wins? Mainly British level fighters - Kaylor, Douglas. Did he beat a SINGLE world class fighter? I'd argue no. His best wins were Lindell Holmes and Chris Johnson and ex lightweight Vinny Paz. FFS..... For anyone to suggest he was better than Hamed is either deluded or a Hamed hater.
Also doesn't he have 9 different children by different women? I can't have respect for someone like that.
Not liking a boxer because he has several children by different women,come on man,what's the problem as long as he supports them
I dont agree. Character and personality are important in who you like. Also its impossible to correctly look after 9 children with different mothers, under different roofs... none of which are your own.
I find it disturbing people that don't mold their lives around their own children and are absentee fathers. I don't t think its a bad thing to respect a good parent.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:13
by bigjack
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:05
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:01
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 11:49
The Herol Graham myth is slightly nauseating. Oh he never got the chances he deserved! Er 3 world title shots, Euro and British titles. Oh he was untouchable! Yeah except getting laid out 3 times and clearly outpointed twice by Kalambay and also Mccallum. Meanwhile Wayne Alexander only got one shot at the world title at 24 hours notice!
I mean what were his best wins? Mainly British level fighters - Kaylor, Douglas. Did he beat a SINGLE world class fighter? I'd argue no. His best wins were Lindell Holmes and Chris Johnson and ex lightweight Vinny Paz. FFS..... For anyone to suggest he was better than Hamed is either deluded or a Hamed hater.
Also doesn't he have 9 different children by different women? I can't have respect for someone like that.
Not liking a boxer because he has several children by different women,come on man,what's the problem as long as he supports them
I dont agree. Character and personality are important in who you like. Also its impossible to correctly look after 9 children with different mothers, under different roofs... none of which are your own.
I find it disturbing people that don't mold their lives around their own children and are absentee fathers. I don't t think its a bad thing to respect a good parent.
Boxers with good character and personality ?
,won't leave you with a great choice then will it ?
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:30
by JamesPhilips
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:13
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:05
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:01
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Not liking a boxer because he has several children by different women,come on man,what's the problem as long as he supports them
I dont agree. Character and personality are important in who you like. Also its impossible to correctly look after 9 children with different mothers, under different roofs... none of which are your own.
I find it disturbing people that don't mold their lives around their own children and are absentee fathers. I don't t think its a bad thing to respect a good parent.
Boxers with good character and personality ?
,won't leave you with a great choice then will it ?
LMFAO
Good point……. Lol
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:32
by bigjack
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:30
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:13
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:05
I dont agree. Character and personality are important in who you like. Also its impossible to correctly look after 9 children with different mothers, under different roofs... none of which are your own.
I find it disturbing people that don't mold their lives around their own children and are absentee fathers. I don't t think its a bad thing to respect a good parent.
Boxers with good character and personality ?
,won't leave you with a great choice then will it ?
LMFAO
Good point……. Lol
A quick google search shows Graham as having one child,the one that was shot a few years back ?
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:34
by JamesPhilips
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:32
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:30
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:13
Boxers with good character and personality ?
,won't leave you with a great choice then will it ?
LMFAO
Good point……. Lol
A quick google search shows Graham as having one child,the one that was shot a few years back ?
I dont know if its true and apologise if its wrong. I just read it on some forum. So
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:36
by bigjack
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:34
bigjack wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:32
A quick google search shows Graham as having one child,the one that was shot a few years back ?
I dont know if its true and apologise if its wrong. I just read it on some forum. So
I worshipped Graham when I was younger,he could have a 100 kids and I'd still bow to him
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 15:58
by coghaugen11
Didn’t Holyfield have 16?
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 16:50
by bigjack
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2021, 15:58
Didn’t Holyfield have 16?
Something like that yeh
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 05:14
by THEBUTCH
The Kalule win for the European middleweight title was one of Graham's best wins. Superb
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 05:16
by coghaugen11
Sublime. Kalule was top notch too. That Graham would’ve beaten Hagler.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 05:20
by THEBUTCH
Whoa there Coghaugen11 ! Graham probably should have had a world title shot on that win alone, but it wasn't a guarantee he'd have beaten Hagler.
I always felt Herol had the style to give Marvin fits, but Hagler could solve almost any style and Halger himself was still very good.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 07:13
by coghaugen11
A shadow of himself vs Mugabi my man.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 08:09
by Counter-puncher
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 05:14
The Kalule win for the European middleweight title was one of Graham's best wins. Superb
Kalule was awful that night though, the fact that it was his last ever fight is probably indicative.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 08:54
by coghaugen11
Everyone looked awful against the Bomber
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:21
by Offthehook
For me naz was better in every way. Some people on here saying naz fought cans?!?! He fought ex world champions and alike, he wasn’t beating on 2-100 journeyman or 1-6 novice bums. His best performance I thought was augie Sanchez who beat floyd in the amateurs, he completely poleaxed him, and beating a Kevin Kelly who was coming off of a career best win wasn’t too bad either! Benn has the more impressive win, but absolutely no way he should be held in higher regard than naz IMO
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:21
by THEBUTCH
Kalule only lost to world class boxers. You may be right Counter-puncher, but I dare say Grahan had a lot to do with that.
Bomber stopped him with a hail of punches.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:24
by Wee Tommy
Offthehook wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:21
For me naz was better in every way. Some people on here saying naz fought cans?!?! He fought ex world champions and alike, he wasn’t beating on 2-100 journeyman or 1-6 novice bums. His best performance I thought was augie Sanchez who beat floyd in the amateurs, he completely poleaxed him, and beating a Kevin Kelly who was coming off of a career best win wasn’t too bad either! Benn has the more impressive win, but absolutely no way he should be held in higher regard than naz IMO
I was comparing Naz to Graham defensively.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:28
by Offthehook
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:24
Offthehook wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:21
For me naz was better in every way. Some people on here saying naz fought cans?!?! He fought ex world champions and alike, he wasn’t beating on 2-100 journeyman or 1-6 novice bums. His best performance I thought was augie Sanchez who beat floyd in the amateurs, he completely poleaxed him, and beating a Kevin Kelly who was coming off of a career best win wasn’t too bad either! Benn has the more impressive win, but absolutely no way he should be held in higher regard than naz IMO
I was comparing Naz to Graham defensively.
No I know Tommy, hence why I said I thought he was better everywhere, but that’s just my opinion, it was more the earlier comments in the thread, even questioning his class I found strange, not by u, just other posters
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:30
by banjo
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 05:16
Sublime. Kalule was top notch too. That Graham would’ve beaten Hagler.
Graham was knocked senseless by a light middleweight, Hagler would have ripped him to shreds.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:58
by coghaugen11
banjo wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:30
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 05:16
Sublime. Kalule was top notch too. That Graham would’ve beaten Hagler.
Graham was knocked senseless by a light middleweight, Hagler would have ripped him to shreds.
Hagler (who’d be a welterweight today) was no Julian Jackson in one-punch knockout power. Or even in that stratosphere.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 13:59
by coghaugen11
Jackson couldn’t lay a glove on Graham until that ridiculous uncharectoristic mistake.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 14:00
by coghaugen11
Offthehook wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:28
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:24
Offthehook wrote: ↑12 Jun 2021, 13:21
For me naz was better in every way. Some people on here saying naz fought cans?!?! He fought ex world champions and alike, he wasn’t beating on 2-100 journeyman or 1-6 novice bums. His best performance I thought was augie Sanchez who beat floyd in the amateurs, he completely poleaxed him, and beating a Kevin Kelly who was coming off of a career best win wasn’t too bad either! Benn has the more impressive win, but absolutely no way he should be held in higher regard than naz IMO
I was comparing Naz to Graham defensively.
No I know Tommy, hence why I said I thought he was better everywhere, but that’s just my opinion, it was more the earlier comments in the thread, even questioning his class I found strange, not by u, just other posters
Naz was very talented. Graham was just a master (the master) at what he did.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 16:12
by Switch hitter
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑09 Jun 2021, 17:26
Coco wrote: ↑09 Jun 2021, 17:16
Hamed was at least a couple of levels above Graham, Naz was one of the best ever produced from these shores.
Right. Graham has 3 title world shots. Got kod twice. Got kod by Frank Grant and easily outpointed by Kalambay.
Naz was WBC WBO and IBF plus linear champion. One loss. Never stopped be reasonable. There’s too much sentimentality about Graham.
Was well past his best against Grant and Brewer.....pretty much trained himself for Grant fight and was dead at the weight.... very close in the first Kalambay fight and was robbed blind in the 2nd
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 17:56
by coghaugen11
/\ Truth. Won’t be popular mate, truth never is.
Re: Benn Hamed beef
Posted: 12 Jun 2021, 19:31
by THEBUTCH
Julian Jackson was just as dangerous at middleweight as he was light middleweight. He could turn out almost anyone's lights. I'd rate Jackson higher than Hagler in terms of one punch KO power.
The Brewer fight was Graham's last stand after a long, long career and he didn't do bad actually.