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maverick23 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 16:34

afcpaul wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 16:23

peter barlow wrote: ↑13 Jul 2021, 14:09
In relation to B/Nation does anyone know what the situation is there, I haven't been a subscriber in years but I'm surprised its still on the Sky EPG without a live fight since 2019 supposedly? Is Frank still involved or who is keeping it on, very strange situation. I believe its part of Premier Sports package.

Yes, I get this with premier sports. Is there room for a revamped b/nation?. Weekly Saturday night small hall promotions?.

I don’t think so. I’d be amazed if 5,000 subscribe to Fight Zone.

Small hall shows are usually filled with prospects vs journeymen with an average main event. I’ve been to quite a few and I could count on one hand the good fights I’ve seen.

People think of small hall shows being Macklin/Moore but in reality that was a great fight on paper and in reality that wasn’t well promoted. If it had FWarren (early 2000s FW anyway) or Eddie promoting then it wouldn’t have been in a leisure centre.

I’d like to see allegedly make more of a play for the overseas fights and/or do a deal with MTK.

afcpaul wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 16:52

maverick23 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 16:34

afcpaul wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 16:23

Yes, I get this with premier sports. Is there room for a revamped b/nation?. Weekly Saturday night small hall promotions?.

I don’t think so. I’d be amazed if 5,000 subscribe to Fight Zone.

Small hall shows are usually filled with prospects vs journeymen with an average main event. I’ve been to quite a few and I could count on one hand the good fights I’ve seen.

People think of small hall shows being Macklin/Moore but in reality that was a great fight on paper and in reality that wasn’t well promoted. If it had FWarren (early 2000s FW anyway) or Eddie promoting then it wouldn’t have been in a leisure centre.

I’d like to see allegedly make more of a play for the overseas fights and/or do a deal with MTK.

I just loved the early b/nation concept. You got three weekly shows, a Friday night card, for a ten pound note. Financially, didn't the Rainham steel bloke prop it up?. Getting the boxing news on a Friday, Buncies show, then a live card, happy days!!!.

maverick23 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 02:58

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 19:40

Black Sam Bellamy wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 17:13

My presumption is that without a paying crowd, promoters cannot make decent fights work, financially. Boxers expecting too much money, or decent money at least, and the income from broadcasting doesn't cover. Hence why they're not being made.

It’s a real conundrum isn’t it. Clearly everyone wants their slice of the pie and it’s understandable that fighters don’t wanna jeopardise future earnings by being matched tough and losing. We as fans are probably equally to blame given that we howl and moan at any fight being PPV other than the absolute mega fights but it seems as though boxing can’’t generate the revenue to make quality fights viable without some element of PPV be it a one off payment or a subscription channel.

It’s not like Yarde or Arthur are big draws though. Neither have sold several thousand tickets in the past and they managed to get the first fight away with no fans.

This time they would have had 1,000 fans so c.£50,000 of additional income compared to their first fight.

Promoters need to take responsibility. They shouldn’t be willing to promote fights like this where the fights aren’t likely to be competitive, no-ones heard of the opponent and the narrative is who the fighter will fight next. It happened for the bulk of Joe Calzaghe’s championship reign and there’s a reason he didn’t even draw in Wales until after he beat Lacy.

Broadcasters also need the ability to say no. BT, for example, don’t have loads of boxing on TV so the quality should be consistently good. Saturday’s show would have likely driven poor numbers and they should be saying to Frank that he needs to show fights that people actually want to see. There wasn’t one fight on Saturday that I genuinely wanted to watch and I hadn’t heard of one of the main opponents before they were announced.

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Jul 2021, 13:47 And another weekend passes without eff all

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Jul 2021, 16:18 I'd be concerned right now if I was a pro boxer as to where my next pay packet was coming .
What I don't understand is why put $hite cards on if you are only putting them on every now and then ?

coneye wrote: ↑17 Jul 2021, 20:08

rd350lc wrote: ↑17 Jul 2021, 16:18 I'd be concerned right now if I was a pro boxer as to where my next pay packet was coming .
What I don't understand is why put $hite cards on if you are only putting them on every now and then ?

At a guess i would think the answer is simple MONEY

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 03:32 People lose interest if there’s hardly any competitive fights. I had Fightzone (£4.99 a month) for a bit and the production, concept, analysis, ect is fight class…. It’s just a shame there’s usually 9/9 mismatches. Therefore I had no choice to cancel; before I did so I wrote something to DHPromotions on here and got loads of tosh back saying tonight there’s a few fights where the winner is unknown. The anticipated bum-smashing then proceeded.
One or two 50/50 fights on any bill and more will watch… therefore tv will pick more up.
Won’t be long before BT get rid of boxing; I can’t imagine their viewing figures are impressive.
Then Queensbury go to channel 5 which will give them a much lower budget and we will get worse fights.
It’s not tv companies that are letting boxing and fans down… it’s those asshole promotors.
Everyone raving about the Top Rank/Sky deal; we saw Stevenson beat a shop assistant and Loma beat down Nakatani, who is tough but a gatekeeper to international fighter, at best.

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 03:55 I guess it’s like being a hedge fund manager being a tv company. You give them a budget and in return you expect certain viewing figures and there’s no quality-control per se.
Look at Adam Smith at Sky. He didn’t ever speak out about the shit we been getting served up; he was happy just to get viewing figures.
I guess BT sports have the same ethos; here is 200k to put a show on Saturday prime time and we expect 100k viewing figures, or whatever. We don’t care if it’s 9/9 bumshows as long as we hit target.
Sad state of affairs. Even that bell Adam Smith was pushing, promoting and speaking about Mayweather/Paul like it was a prime Tyson vs prime Lewis.

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 04:01 Btw I only ever used to watch Queensbury on YouTube the next day. I never justified getting BT for the boxing as there was no justification for it.
Last week I got BT as part of upgrade on my phone and watched my live Queensbury show in years but it actually depressed me. Genuinely.

If genuine hardcore fans aren’t interested in watching full shows.. that’s a slippery slope as we are a minority sport with a minority fan base as it is.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 04:38 FW needs to pack it in. Yesterday’s man who consistently serves up dross. I got BT Sports and don’t even tune in anymore.

peter barlow wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:13

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 04:01 Btw I only ever used to watch Queensbury on YouTube the next day. I never justified getting BT for the boxing as there was no justification for it.
Last week I got BT as part of upgrade on my phone and watched my live Queensbury show in years but it actually depressed me. Genuinely.

If genuine hardcore fans aren’t interested in watching full shows.. that’s a slippery slope as we are a minority sport with a minority fan base as it is.

Would agree it was a shocker not good enough from Warren/BT. Hardcore fans are stepping away or following UFC and not putting up with the crap anymore.

peter barlow wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:23 In relation to the Conlan Belfast show, it's not been announced by any UK or Irish broadcaster.

Even though it's on ESPN in America and Sky have top rank link. Pretty clear if Sky don't pick it up they want to avoid or minimise MTK linked shows.

Problem is without MTK, Hearn or Warren there is not much they can show in Brit/Irish boxing.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 08:02

peter barlow wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:23 In relation to the Conlan Belfast show, it's not been announced by any UK or Irish broadcaster.

Even though it's on ESPN in America and Sky have top rank link. Pretty clear if Sky don't pick it up they want to avoid or minimise MTK linked shows.

Problem is without MTK, Hearn or Warren there is not much they can show in Brit/Irish boxing.

Doubt uk have any interest in two Irish bantams.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 08:02

peter barlow wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:23 In relation to the Conlan Belfast show, it's not been announced by any UK or Irish broadcaster.

Even though it's on ESPN in America and Sky have top rank link. Pretty clear if Sky don't pick it up they want to avoid or minimise MTK linked shows.

Problem is without MTK, Hearn or Warren there is not much they can show in Brit/Irish boxing.

Doubt uk have any interest in two Irish bantams.

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:53

peter barlow wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 07:13

Dioufy wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 04:01 Btw I only ever used to watch Queensbury on YouTube the next day. I never justified getting BT for the boxing as there was no justification for it.
Last week I got BT as part of upgrade on my phone and watched my live Queensbury show in years but it actually depressed me. Genuinely.

If genuine hardcore fans aren’t interested in watching full shows.. that’s a slippery slope as we are a minority sport with a minority fan base as it is.

Would agree it was a shocker not good enough from Warren/BT. Hardcore fans are stepping away or following UFC and not putting up with the crap anymore.

Funny you say this. In the last few days I’ve been watching old UFC and am going to start watching from now on.
I’ve never watched UFC in my life before.
Unless something changes. Boxing becomes even more obsolete.