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Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 01:25
by Onetimeonly
Wales wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 01:20
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 01:07
Wales wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 00:48
The robbery in GGG Canelo 1 was Byrd scoring it 118-110.
The robbery was that he didn't win. Though that was beyond egregious.
I remember having GGG winning but only by round or maybe two and a lot were close.
Certainly seen worse decisions.
I have too, I was responding to someone who seems to think he's gotten one gift after the other.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 01:28
by margaret thatcher
116-113 ggg the first time
115-113 canelo the 2nd
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 02:06
by Wales
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 01:25
Wales wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 01:20
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 01:07
The robbery was that he didn't win. Though that was beyond egregious.
I remember having GGG winning but only by round or maybe two and a lot were close.
Certainly seen worse decisions.
I have too, I was responding to someone who seems to think he's gotten one gift after the other.
Ahhhh - agree with you thats bullshit.
We’re currently in a place where boxing is really lacking superstars, and many that appear to have the potential will fight once a year or promoters don’t make them the fights that will elevate them.
Canelo will have his fourth fight in 10 months and 3 of his 4 opponents have been undefeated.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:05
by Evander
I don't know what the details are but Canelo is likely contractually obliged to take this bout.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:08
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:05
I don't know what the details are but Canelo is likely contractually obliged to take this bout.
Definitely not that.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:11
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:08
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:05
I don't know what the details are but Canelo is likely contractually obliged to take this bout.
Definitely not that.
Then what ?
Who is Canelo calling out and why can't that fight happen ?
If he's not contractually obliged it's just a filler in bout until he get's a name opponent surely.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:21
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:11
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:08
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:05
I don't know what the details are but Canelo is likely contractually obliged to take this bout.
Definitely not that.
Then what ?
Who is Canelo calling out and why can't that fight happen ?
If he's not contractually obliged it's just a filler in bout until he get's a name opponent surely.
He wants to unify. Can you even verbalize a scenario where he would be under contract to fight a pbc guy with a belt?
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:53
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:21
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:11
Then what ?
Who is Canelo calling out and why can't that fight happen ?
If he's not contractually obliged it's just a filler in bout until he get's a name opponent surely.
He wants to unify. Can you even verbalize a scenario where he would be under contract to fight a pbc guy with a belt?
Yes
Money big enough, them contracts are dud in a heartbeat and everyone involved will back it.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 03:55
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:53
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:21
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:11
Then what ?
Who is Canelo calling out and why can't that fight happen ?
If he's not contractually obliged it's just a filler in bout until he get's a name opponent surely.
He wants to unify. Can you even verbalize a scenario where he would be under contract to fight a pbc guy with a belt?
Yes
Money big enough, them contracts are dud in a heartbeat and everyone involved will back it.
What? Lol
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 04:03
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:55
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:53
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:21
He wants to unify. Can you even verbalize a scenario where he would be under contract to fight a pbc guy with a belt?
Yes
Money big enough, them contracts are dud in a heartbeat and everyone involved will back it.
What? Lol
If he wants to unify or not isn't where I would go right now.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 04:06
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:03
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:55
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 03:53
Yes
Money big enough, them contracts are dud in a heartbeat and everyone involved will back it.
What? Lol
If he wants to unify or not isn't where I would go right now.
OK, odd answer.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 04:38
by candyslim
World championship belts or a set of postage stamps. If you're a serious collector you want to complete the set. Of course Canelo would want to fight Plant. That wraps up Super-middleweight nicely. Job done. On to the next project.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 04:49
by Evander
candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:38
World championship belts or a set of postage stamps. If you're a serious collector you want to complete the set. Of course Canelo would want to fight Plant. That wraps up Super-middleweight nicely. Job done. On to the next project.
What's the next project ?
Who is his biggest threat in a one off ?
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 04:57
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:06
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:03
If he wants to unify or not isn't where I would go right now.
OK, odd answer.
Yes it was an odd answer you're correct.
Guess I'm jumping the gun a bit and looking for the most serious challenge rather than going through the motions of capturing belts and cementing legacy.
That is important.
All the leaders of their perspective divisions go through this type of scrutiny.
Canelo being our number 1 goes through more, it comes with the territory which comes with the respect
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:05
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:57
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:06
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:03
If he wants to unify or not isn't where I would go right now.
OK, odd answer.
Yes it was an odd answer you're correct.
Guess I'm jumping the gun a bit and looking for the most serious challenge rather than going through the motions of capturing belts and cementing legacy.
That is important.
All the leaders of their perspective divisions go through this type of scrutiny.
Canelo being our number 1 goes through more, it comes with the territory which comes with the respect
But you think he's contractually bound to this fight, though you haven't even attempted to offer a reason why
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:10
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:05
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:57
Yes it was an odd answer you're correct.
Guess I'm jumping the gun a bit and looking for the most serious challenge rather than going through the motions of capturing belts and cementing legacy.
That is important.
All the leaders of their perspective divisions go through this type of scrutiny.
Canelo being our number 1 goes through more, it comes with the territory which comes with the respect
But you think he's contractually bound to this fight, though you haven't even attempted to offer a reason why
My main reason is because no one wants to see him fight Plant.
Strap on the line or not it's not an attractive bout.
I guess I'm asking myself is he being forced into it somehow.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:12
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:10
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:05
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:57
Yes it was an odd answer you're correct.
Guess I'm jumping the gun a bit and looking for the most serious challenge rather than going through the motions of capturing belts and cementing legacy.
That is important.
All the leaders of their perspective divisions go through this type of scrutiny.
Canelo being our number 1 goes through more, it comes with the territory which comes with the respect
But you think he's contractually bound to this fight, though you haven't even attempted to offer a reason why
My main reason is because no one wants to see him fight Plant.
Strap on the line or not it's not an attractive bout.
Wow
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:14
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:12
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:10
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:05
But you think he's contractually bound to this fight, though you haven't even attempted to offer a reason why
My main reason is because no one wants to see him fight Plant.
Strap on the line or not it's not an attractive bout.
Wow
Where am I going wrong ?
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:19
by Onetimeonly
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:14
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:12
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:10
My main reason is because no one wants to see him fight Plant.
Strap on the line or not it's not an attractive bout.
Wow
Where am I going wrong ?
You made a statement. I asked you a question about it and now you're just rambling on aimlessly. Carry on.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:22
by Evander
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:19
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:14
Where am I going wrong ?
You made a statement. I asked you a question about it and now you're just rambling on aimlessly. Carry on.
Oh ok, sorry about that.
Aren't we here to do exactly that and create talking points
I'll let it go then
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:27
by candyslim
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:49
candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:38
World championship belts or a set of postage stamps. If you're a serious collector you want to complete the set. Of course Canelo would want to fight Plant. That wraps up Super-middleweight nicely. Job done. On to the next project.
What's the next project ?
Who is his biggest threat in a one off ?
I'd say the logical next step is an assault on the light-heavyweight division. People will have differing ideas about who is Canelo's biggest threat at that weight. I'd say probably Beterbiev provided the inevitable march of time hasn't caught up with him.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:53
by Evander
candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 05:27
Evander wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:49
candyslim wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 04:38
World championship belts or a set of postage stamps. If you're a serious collector you want to complete the set. Of course Canelo would want to fight Plant. That wraps up Super-middleweight nicely. Job done. On to the next project.
What's the next project ?
Who is his biggest threat in a one off ?
I'd say the logical next step is an assault on the light-heavyweight division. People will have differing ideas about who is Canelo's biggest threat at that weight. I'd say probably Beterbiev provided the inevitable march of time hasn't caught up with him.
His name has come up a number of times.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 05:59
by candyslim
Yes but it's possible he's begun his decline. The cynic in me says that makes the fight more likely, but that's being disrespectful to a fighter that doesn't deserve any of that.
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 13:25
by Bandog
I'm curious how Plant became an elite world class boxer like he says, when he only had 20 amateur fights against other very average amateurs, and lost just over half of them, turning pro in 2014? Good trainer?
Re: Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?
Posted: 24 Jul 2021, 15:28
by Bandog
panchito wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 14:11
Bandog wrote: ↑24 Jul 2021, 13:25
I'm curious how Plant became an elite world class boxer like he says, when he only had 20 amateur fights against other very average amateurs, and lost just over half of them, turning pro in 2014? Good trainer?
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^^^^^
https://www.google.com/search?q=caleb+p ... -QQ4dUDCA8
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caleb_Plant
Part of the problem mate is that you seem not to have the first clue what it is youre talking about.
So lets go through some simple steps that would lead to someone becoming a champion:
Step#1: start boxing at 8
Step#2: become an amateur champion twice in two seperate divisions with a record of 97-20 (GET YOUR FACTS IN ORDER).
Step#3: turn pro and compile a record of 21-0 against opponents with winning records to include 2 previous champions (Truax + Uzcategui)
Guess I was looking at the wrong guy?
Check boxrec records.
https://boxrec.com/en/amateurboxer/684493