Canelo vs, Plant - mismatch or not ?

[ValMar]

What do you think ?
I think Plant has no chance ( Canelo's injury only). For me this is a typical mismatch on the highest level.

[DrDuke]

I don't think it will be a mismatch. Saunders had some moments against Canelo and Plant has a similar style, only better executed. Plant can jab and move, he's elusive and smart. Plant's style is to outslick Canelo, if it's executed properly. Plant has never faced a highly threatening opponent to make everyone sure, that he can do it, but he definitely has a potential.

[Bandog]

I think it's Saunders 2.0, only easier.

[brilo33]

i dont think it is a miss match as such caleb deverse his shot, i dont think he is a good as billy joe, but i dont he will fight like bjs either which i mean try to meet saul in the centre. i think he will be more deffensive which i think is a big mistake as plant is not great on the back foot seems to land himself in crs saul will eat him, if plant went out on the front foot or at least staying centre of the ring he will have a better chance as he has good hands good range of punches speed,but has to move well but not back in lines to the ropes , pivet , saul ko before rd5

[ValMar]

I think it's Saunders 2.0, only easier.

Yes !

[Enlightened-One]

For me this is a typical mismatch on the highest level.

Is Canelo despised to such an horrendous degree that they consider his fight against Caleb Plant as being a blatant mismatch?

• Unbeaten IBF super-middleweight champion
• Rating at 168lbs: 2nd by TBRB; 3rd by The RING; and 3rd by EPSN
• World champions beaten: Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui

Is there any other fighter competing today that would be accused of engaging in a mismatch if they faced an opponent with similar credentials as Caleb Plant?

This forum has become ridiculous to the point it’s laughably bad!

Even if Canelo beats Caleb Plant with consummate ease, no one can pretend he’s faced an appallingly weak opponent!

FFS! How utterly stupid can people really be!

[Cent0089]

It is not a mismatch. Plant is undefeated and he has the belt. Has also some solid slick boxing skills. Canelo is just too good and will win this.

Edit: Plant also kept IBF belt as hostage against very poor oposition. He deserves beating for that

[The Asleep Lamps]

Remember Billy was doing well until he ducked into that uppercut. I picked something in between competitive and a mismatch. I expect Plant will land some punches but ultimately doesn't have the power to keep Canelo off of him.

[candyslim]

I'd say that depends on your definition of 'mismatch'. I mean one fighter destroys another in a fight that fans were equally split about who was going to win - is that a mismatch?

I'd say "no", the word 'mismatch' means the fighters have been badly matched, not that the fight turned out to be a massacre.

That still doesn't resolve the question though: On the one hand it could be said: "Nobody gives Plant a serious chance of winning the fight, ergo it's a mismatch".

On the other hand it could be said: "Plant is a fellow champion. He is arguably the best or certainly among the best possible opponents that could face Canelo at his weight, so how can you possibly complain about the match?"

Both are legitimate points of view as I see it. You keeps your money and you takes your choice.

[The Asleep Lamps]

I would say that what made Hatton vs Pacquiao a mismatch was the outcome, the fight itself. If it looks like that fight then well...

[candyslim]

Then should we not find a better way of describing it since before the event there was no obvious problem with the matching. A 'misfight' perhaps?

If it's an excellent match up before the fight, then how can it be regarded as a mismatch after? Foreman treated Frazier like a basketball during his 5 minute demolition. It was an annihilation but it wasn't a mismatch.

[The Asleep Lamps]

Perhaps it is a synonym we are searching for but what word better described Hatton vs Pacquiao? It probably wasn't called a demolition because it was swifter than that. It was more like a wipeout I suppose.

[candyslim]

Can't quibble about the accuracy of that.

[Enlightened-One]

That still doesn't resolve the question though: On the one hand it could be said: "Nobody gives Plant a serious chance of winning the fight, ergo it's a mismatch".

Is it “unfair” for Canelo to attempt to unify the super-middleweight division, against the IBF titleholder, who just happens to be a young, much physically bigger, unbeaten opponent, that’s also universally regarded as being a top-three world-rated 168lb-er (as per The RING, ESPN & TBRB)?

Is it a cherry-pick or a legacy-defining bout?

Consider the word "fairness" in the context of Canelo facing Plant.

Is Canelo-Plant on a par with Patterson-Rademacher? Are there any similarities between Plant and Rademacher, other than both being underdogs?

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo’s bout on the 18th September will be his fourth fight in less than nine months.

He would have beaten The RING champion, Callum Smith and two top-four world-rated champions, Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders, to become the first fighter in history (during the four-belt era) to unify the super-middleweight division, as well as capturing The RING championship.

He even had the time to perform a mandatory defence of his WBC title against Avni Yildirim.

During a time-period approaching four years, Artur Beterbiev would have fought Adam Deines, Oleksandr Gvozdyk, Radivoje Kalajdzic and Callum Johnson.

And yet the same set of fans criticising Canelo’s fight against Caleb Plant, boldly proclaiming it to be a blatant mismatch, continue lavishing praise on Artur Beterbiev!

Am I missing something?

[The Asleep Lamps]

Well I shouldn't have criticized Eddie Hearn because now it will be a PBC PPV = costs more money. With Dillian Whyte vs some journeyman on the undercard, I think I will subscribe to DAZN instead. Well let us see who Whyte faces.

[Bard of Boxrec]

I don’t know where people get Plant as elusive from. He really isn’t

Canelo will probably stop him and it won’t be particularly close

[gilgamesh]

Might turn out to be a mismatch, but on paper it's a solid fight.

[NateJR]

I thinks it's a competitive fight and will be the toughest fight Canelo has had since GGG. Plant has this very old school, clever boxing style and you can tell he's a well schooled fighter with a high boxing IQ. What makes me think he fairs better than BJS is the fact I believe he has a higher boxing IQ and that he shows to have better stamina and won't fade in the later rounds. Plant will be a tricky one for Canelo, but as usual I feel Canelo will have the edge based on his sharper punching and combinations. I see this as a 8-4 type fight in favor of Canelo.

[NateJR]

I don’t know where people get Plant as elusive from. He really isn’t

Canelo will probably stop him and it won’t be particularly close

I don't see him as elusive, but I do think he's much more tricky and clever than you're giving him credit for. Plant has a very old school style of boxing and it's a totally different look than what Canelo has faced. I still favor Canelo, but I'd predict a competitive fight.

[victor-romeo]

supposedly plant is mobile... and give Canelo problems that would be nice, but I see Canelo destroying this guy..

[candyslim]

That still doesn't resolve the question though: On the one hand it could be said: "Nobody gives Plant a serious chance of winning the fight, ergo it's a mismatch".

Is it “unfair” for Canelo to attempt to unify the super-middleweight division, against the IBF titleholder, who just happens to be a young, much physically bigger, unbeaten opponent, that’s also universally regarded as being a top-three world-rated 168lb-er (as per The RING, ESPN & TBRB)?

Is it a cherry-pick or a legacy-defining bout?

Consider the word "fairness" in the context of Canelo facing Plant.

Is Canelo-Plant on a par with Patterson-Rademacher? Are there any similarities between Plant and Rademacher, other than both being underdogs?

I've no problem with Canelo fighting plant. You quoted part of my post but you didn't quote the part that added balance. The guy is a champion and beating him will wrap up the division for Canelo.

I would never begrudge any fighter doing that. A unification is an extremely respectable match to take and if one fighter is so good that is unlikely to be competitive he should be admired for it not chastised.

I'm pretty sure nothing I said about defining "mismatch" could have caused you to think otherwise.

[Enlightened-One]

That still doesn't resolve the question though: On the one hand it could be said: "Nobody gives Plant a serious chance of winning the fight, ergo it's a mismatch".

Is it “unfair” for Canelo to attempt to unify the super-middleweight division, against the IBF titleholder, who just happens to be a young, much physically bigger, unbeaten opponent, that’s also universally regarded as being a top-three world-rated 168lb-er (as per The RING, ESPN & TBRB)?

Is it a cherry-pick or a legacy-defining bout?

Consider the word "fairness" in the context of Canelo facing Plant.

Is Canelo-Plant on a par with Patterson-Rademacher? Are there any similarities between Plant and Rademacher, other than both being underdogs?

I've no problem with Canelo fighting plant. You quoted part of my post but you didn't quote the part that added balance. The guy is a champion and beating him will wrap up the division for Canelo.

I would never begrudge any fighter doing that. A unification is an extremely respectable match to take and if one fighter is so good that is unlikely to be competitive he should be admired for it not chastised.

I'm pretty sure nothing I said about defining "mismatch" could have caused you to think otherwise.

I didn’t misquote you, just giving my take on one of your questions.

I’ve no issue with your post.

[ValMar]

I am afraid I am misunderstood. My point is : Canelo is the one of the best fighters in the last decade, Plant is simply solid (maybe very solid) fighter, but nothing more, definitely, So, Canelo is 9/10 (maybe 10/10), Plant is 6/10 (maybe 7/10). That's it.
Canelo should become the undisputed at SMW, He deserved.....................

[candyslim]

Is it “unfair” for Canelo to attempt to unify the super-middleweight division, against the IBF titleholder, who just happens to be a young, much physically bigger, unbeaten opponent, that’s also universally regarded as being a top-three world-rated 168lb-er (as per The RING, ESPN & TBRB)?

Is it a cherry-pick or a legacy-defining bout?

Consider the word "fairness" in the context of Canelo facing Plant.

Is Canelo-Plant on a par with Patterson-Rademacher? Are there any similarities between Plant and Rademacher, other than both being underdogs?

I've no problem with Canelo fighting plant. You quoted part of my post but you didn't quote the part that added balance. The guy is a champion and beating him will wrap up the division for Canelo.

I would never begrudge any fighter doing that. A unification is an extremely respectable match to take and if one fighter is so good that is unlikely to be competitive he should be admired for it not chastised.

I'm pretty sure nothing I said about defining "mismatch" could have caused you to think otherwise.

I didn’t misquote you, just giving my take on one of your questions.

I’ve no issue with your post.

Fair enough. Sorry for misunderstanding.