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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 05:16

I still don't see it happening

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 10:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 05:16

I still don't see it happening

I guess it depends on the purse Yoka ends up receiving.

If the Frenchman gets low-balled, he’ll probably reject the bout, resulting in the Sauerlands boldly-proclaiming duck, since this adheres to their preferred narrative of “everyone is far too scared to face Hrgovic”.

Tony Yoka has already beaten Filip Hrgovic twice (2015 & 2016) and has also enjoyed a much more illustrious career in the amateurs and the professional ranks.

So if he does reject the Hrgovic bout, it’ll only be due to being low-balled.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 12:42

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 10:24

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 05:16

I still don't see it happening

I guess it depends on the purse Yoka ends up receiving.

If the Frenchman gets low-balled, he’ll probably reject the bout, resulting in the Sauerlands boldly-proclaiming duck, since this adheres to their preferred narrative of “everyone is far too scared to face Hrgovic”.

Tony Yoka has already beaten Filip Hrgovic twice (2015 & 2016) and has also enjoyed a much more illustrious career in the amateurs and the professional ranks.

So if he does reject the Hrgovic bout, it’ll only be due to being low-balled.

IBF are shite with mando's.

How is it that Hrgovic is in a final eliminator before Yoka and Joyce

Of course sanction fees' yu there

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 12:44

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 12:42

tiny_acres wrote: ↑13 Jan 2022, 10:24

I still don't see it happening

I guess it depends on the purse Yoka ends up receiving.

If the Frenchman gets low-balled, he’ll probably reject the bout, resulting in the Sauerlands boldly-proclaiming duck, since this adheres to their preferred narrative of “everyone is far too scared to face Hrgovic”.

Tony Yoka has already beaten Filip Hrgovic twice (2015 & 2016) and has also enjoyed a much more illustrious career in the amateurs and the professional ranks.

So if he does reject the Hrgovic bout, it’ll only be due to being low-balled.

IBF are shite with mando's.

How is it that Hrgovic is in a final eliminator before Yoka and Joyce

Of course sanction fees' yu there

Top Rank & Queensberry = WBO
PBC =WBC
Wasserman (Sauerlands) = IBF
Don King = WBA

I could be wrong, but Wilfred, Nisse and Kalle have all worked with a lot of IBF champs over the last thirty years.

Certain promoters seem to have a suspiciously close relationship with specific governing bodies, resulting in their fighters being unfairly rated above others that are far more deserving.

But I agree, there's no denying that Hrgovic hasn't earned the right to participate in a final eliminator for the world heavyweight title.

It was quite stupid to reject it from Gassiev's team.

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:56 It was quite stupid to reject it from Gassiev's team.

Whoever takes the Hrgovic fight will have to also accept to being the financial B-side and accept a smaller purse split.

If that results in them receiving a payday that’s on a par to what they’re accustomed to receive fighting a journeyman, then they’re likely to reject the Hrgovic bout.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 04:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:56 It was quite stupid to reject it from Gassiev's team.

Whoever takes the Hrgovic fight will have to also accept to being the financial B-side and accept a smaller purse split.

If that results in them receiving a payday that’s on a par to what they’re accustomed to receive fighting a journeyman, then they’re likely to reject the Hrgovic bout.

Apparently, Gassiev and Ruiz’s team both said it was declined due to injuries.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 04:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 04:24

DrDuke wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:56 It was quite stupid to reject it from Gassiev's team.

Whoever takes the Hrgovic fight will have to also accept to being the financial B-side and accept a smaller purse split.

If that results in them receiving a payday that’s on a par to what they’re accustomed to receive fighting a journeyman, then they’re likely to reject the Hrgovic bout.

Apparently, Gassiev and Ruiz’s team both said it was declined due to injuries.

I feel that (for PR reasons) most fighters would prefer to use the injury excuse than to admit to needing a better payday than what they're likely to receive being the B-side against Hrgovic.

Joseph Parker's team initially blamed economics, but they too also blamed injury.

It's too much of a coincidence about all those fighters carrying injuries the precise moment they were offered the Hrgovic bout.

Michael Hunter admitted to rejecting the Hrgovic bout, because he was receiving similar paydays competing against journeymen on Triller... and he was criticised for it.

The next fighter in the IBF's rankings, after Ruiz Jr. (who also rejected the Hrgovic fight), is Charles Martin, but surely he'll be serving a suspension due to getting KO'd last month.

So it looks like Demsey McKean will be offered the Hrgovic fight.

The only way the IBF final eliminator goes ahead is to match Hrgovic against an opponent that’s even less commercially popular than himself, because none of the other fighters would be willing to take pay cuts by competing for peanuts.

I’m hoping that Demsey McKean and Zhang Zhilei both reject the opportunity to engage in the IBF eliminator, because it’ll mean Filip Hrgovic will have to face Hughie Fury.

And when Kalle Sauerland was previously and passionately complaining about all the guys in the IBF’s rankings refusing to compete against Filip Hrgovic, he conveniently forgot to mention the fact he never approached Hughie’s team.

I’m not saying the Brit definitely beats the Croatian, but Hughie will be a real acid test for Filip.

Fury is a few years younger than Hrgovic, both men are the same size and Hughie had already challenged for the world title (losing by controversial decision to Joseph Parker) before Filip even made his pro debut.

The teak-tough durable Brit would be a gigantic step up in class for the Croatian. And a knockout victory for Hrgovic would go a long way to justify the hype.

But that said, Hughie Fury is definitely good enough to upset the apple cart, because he’s consistently fought vastly superior opposition than the journeymen Filip Hrgovic has been facing.

A bout between Fury and Hrgovic, could play out in a similar manner to Joyce-Dubois, resulting in the heavily-favoured unproven hyped-up fighter losing to an underestimated vastly more experienced and accomplished opponent.

If Hrgovic’s defensively irresponsible “Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em robot” aggressive fighting style is ineffective and fails to hurt Fury, then can the Croatian prove he’s the complete fighter, by adapting and outboxing the boxer?

After all of this, it makes the claims of Luis Ortiz "ducking" Hrgovic seem pretty silly.

nah, using the logic that luis ortiz fanbois like to apply to other fighters, it just makes them all duckers lolz

errrbody running from big fill

Bandog wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 21:10 After all of this, it makes the claims of Luis Ortiz "ducking" Hrgovic seem pretty silly.

Luis Ortiz is the only heavyweight fighter involved in this discussion claiming all his rivals are ducking him.

Luis Ortiz is the only heavyweight fighter involved in this discussion claiming he’d fight anyone, anywhere for any money, no matter how small the purse is.

Luis Ortiz is the only heavyweight fighter involved in this discussion that’s rejected lots of opportunities to face his big-name rivals, with his team subsequently admitting to lying about being lowballed.

Therefore, we’re allowed to apply a different set of standards to Luis Ortiz, based on his previous boasts and conduct.

luis = 'i fight aj any time, any place, any money! he scared of king kong! i want all the belts!'

aj = 'here's a big ass offer to fight me for 3 belts'

luis 'er, um , well.......'


but at least he did just fight charles martin, a ko josh ko'd in a round and a half 2 years into his career lol