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Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 04:11
by Ruthless-RKO
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 04:06
wilder fans had a huge boner for ortiz and hyped him up for years
luis, and pretty much anyone, would have plenty more losses if they'd had del's schedule too
Of course. Because hyping Ortiz’s wins helped them elevate Wilder’s status.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 04:11
by Ruthless-RKO
Anyone want to change their vote? I can open the poll.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 12:43
by DrDuke
tiny_acres wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 08:37
Chisora to 14
Pulev to 15
Right.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 14:48
by Ruthless-RKO
Seems very split.
Strong amount of votes for 14, not many in between and then a strong amount for top 10.
I know the poll could have been different.
Those who are saying top 10.
What we going For?
#10?
#9?
In the comments I don’t think I’ve read anyone wrote more than #9.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 17:05
by pound per pound
Neither of these guys should rate. They are old and had their time.
Ring Magazine has the gold standard of top ten's and even their list is full of old men. Geez the heavyweight division is at the lowest point in terms of talent and the right fights continue not to be made.
https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 17:05
by pound per pound
Neither of these guys should rate. They are old and had their time.
Ring Magazine has the gold standard of top ten's and even their list is full of old men. Geez the heavyweight division is at the lowest point in terms of talent and the right fights continue not to be made.
https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 17:08
by Ruthless-RKO
Technically, these two weren’t top 10.
US heavyweights is very thin. Nothing much going on there.
It’s all European mostly.
Which is a shame.
When it did, US produced to belters back in the day.
Now days, these big tall mofo’s wild rather join the NBA or NFL.
Don’t blame them.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 17:34
by gregregegg
People voting out or 15 are outrageous. Has to go above Pulev, so that’s at least to 14… and he has just got a win that’s arguably better than otto, Joyce, Ortiz, Sanchez career best win. And probably on par with wilders career best win…
he is aging but better to be getting a good win old than sitting on your hands young.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 18:33
by margaret thatcher
as is almost always the case, the ppl dragging on chisora dont bring up why other guys should be higher, they just mention chisora....
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 19:07
by Ruthless-RKO
It strange to vote him out. I still put the option to see what people think.
Yes it was a split decision that could have gone either way but it’s still a win, Chisora finally got the judges to give him a close one.M and against someone who was ranked above him.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 19:26
by Finkel
If you had given the option "Chisora #1!"
You would get a few people voting that on the internet
I would be tempted myself
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 12 Jul 2022, 23:00
by oogiebe
Finkel wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 19:26
If you had given the option "Chisora #1!"
You would get a few people voting that on the internet
I would be tempted myself
I did I think, have him 11
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 06:16
by joshj909
Finkel wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 19:26
If you had given the option "Chisora #1!"
You would get a few people voting that on the internet
I would be tempted myself
Pulev is the second best scalp in 2022 and Fury is retired so Chisora takes his place at the top of the rankings.
Realistically, it's a sad day when you realise that the only better victories than this in the past 12 months are Fury>Whyte (possibly retired), Parker>Chisora (unnecessary rematch), Usyk>AJ (11 months ago).
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 06:25
by Ruthless-RKO
joshj909 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 06:16
Finkel wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 19:26
If you had given the option "Chisora #1!"
You would get a few people voting that on the internet
I would be tempted myself
Pulev is the second best scalp in 2022 and Fury is retired so Chisora takes his place at the top of the rankings.
Realistically, it's a sad day when you realise that the only better victories than this in the past 12 months are Fury>Whyte (possibly retired), Parker>Chisora (unnecessary rematch), Usyk>AJ (11 months ago).
Fury beat Wilder as well.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 07:54
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 06:25
joshj909 wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 06:16
Finkel wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 19:26
If you had given the option "Chisora #1!"
You would get a few people voting that on the internet
I would be tempted myself
Pulev is the second best scalp in 2022 and Fury is retired so Chisora takes his place at the top of the rankings.
Realistically, it's a sad day when you realise that the only better victories than this in the past 12 months are Fury>Whyte (possibly retired), Parker>Chisora (unnecessary rematch), Usyk>AJ (11 months ago).
Fury beat Wilder as well.
Forgot that comes within 12 months! Still leaves Chisora ranked #1
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 09:06
by pound per pound
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 17:08
Technically, these two weren’t top 10.
US heavyweights is very thin. Nothing much going on there.
It’s all European mostly.
Which is a shame.
When it did, US produced to belters back in the day.
Now days, these big tall mofo’s wild rather join the NBA or NFL.
Don’t blame them.
Tell me about it. Wilder is the best we have had in years, and is a very protected fighter who should be 0-3 vs a white UK based Fury and beat very few top then ring magazine fighters. When was the last time a USA based heavyweight won a significant match? 15+ years ago? Sad.
It's not the NBA or NFL, those two sports league we around in the 70, 80, 90, and 00's and it did not hurt USA heavyweight boxing one bit and there were plenty of really good ones, But the white based Europeans were not. At least the good ones were not for various geopolitical reasons didn't box professionally until the tail end of 1990's.
The UK, and Eastern Europe are dominating the highly ranked heavyweights. Take a look at the top 25 Box ranked guys at heavyweight. Only 3 of 25 are USA fighters, and 2 are OLD / and the one who's not at age 34 is no spring chicken.
Sad, pathetic, and weak.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 13:11
by stpeach
Question: How does Dereck Chisora's [#15] split decision win over Kubrat Pulev [#11] affect the current rankings?
Chirsora to 11
Pulev to 13
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:34
by Ruthless-RKO
Wow! The person he beat wasn’t even in the top 10 himself.
And now people want Chisora in the top 10.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:45
by joshj909
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 15:34
Wow! The person he beat wasn’t even in the top 10 himself.
And now people want Chisora in the top 10.
Were the people that Joyce, Ortiz or Bakole beat ranked in the top 10?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 15:49
by margaret thatcher
you should know by now that getting to a certain rank doesnt require actually beating a guy that high, just takes doing more lately than your peers
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 13 Jul 2022, 16:25
by KiwiRider
pound per pound wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 09:06
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 17:08
Technically, these two weren’t top 10.
US heavyweights is very thin. Nothing much going on there.
It’s all European mostly.
Which is a shame.
When it did, US produced to belters back in the day.
Now days, these big tall mofo’s wild rather join the NBA or NFL.
Don’t blame them.
Tell me about it. Wilder is the best we have had in years, and is a very protected fighter who should be 0-3 vs a white UK based Fury and beat very few top then ring magazine fighters. When was the last time a USA based heavyweight won a significant match? 15+ years ago? Sad.
It's not the NBA or NFL, those two sports league we around in the 70, 80, 90, and 00's and it did not hurt USA heavyweight boxing one bit and there were plenty of really good ones, But the white based Europeans were not. At least the good ones were not for various geopolitical reasons didn't box professionally until the tail end of 1990's.
The UK, and Eastern Europe are dominating the highly ranked heavyweights. Take a look at the top 25 Box ranked guys at heavyweight. Only 3 of 25 are USA fighters, and 2 are OLD / and the one who's not at age 34 is no spring chicken.
Sad, pathetic, and weak.
Come join me on the Jared Anderson bandwagon
Best prospect from 'merica in ten years.
Realistically he is only early twenties, but shows good promise so far- we can bag him if he falls short later on.
But for now, a pretty exciting prospect.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 15:39
by Ruthless-RKO
New poll up to decide Pulev’s fate.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 16:23
by oogiebe
pulev to 12.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 16:51
by cpx2
^ Agreed, Pulev to 12.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Chisora vs. Pulev II
Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 17:22
by adislav123
pulev lost (deservedly or not, wasn't a robbery) to chisora who was 15. so pulev should go to 15.
why should guys who didn't fight drop a rank.
only thing that made sense from the start was to switch chisora/pulev's ranking.