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any top guy beats ortiz, ffs he had hell with chuck martin

Ruiz needed every one of those knockdowns or it would have been a draw....or split decision loss.

He should have opened up a little bit here and there, there were a couple close rounds he could have clearly won by doing almost anything. Knocked a guy down three times and yet it came down to a very close decision, 1 point on two cards.

he should've opened up but he doesn't have the energy to do more than those ocassional bursts

F Joe Biden and Boxing Scene.

113 - 112 Ruiz. Lost most of the rounds but still did enough with those flashy KDs to edge it. Another lacklustre performance, though.

Kronkpride wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:33

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:27

Kronkpride wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:22 Credit to Ortiz too....he is not shot even if old. He took some heavy duty shit early and recovered and even took some heavy dudty shit late and stayed on his feet. Responded back winning rounds pretty much every time after getting thumped too.

Team Ortiz should stay on the gas too and get him into the biggest fight possible next after he recovers from this. That 11th round shot on the eye looked evil man. Sure looked like it caused some damage.

Ortiz is shot to buggery and back.
Fat Andy only landed half a dozen right hands and half of them knocked Ortiz down.

Nobody is what they once were when they get up in age. But he was no can and his recovery was better than most young men when hurt with some wicked shots. Ortiz legs didn't melt and stay melted. He carried himself through 10 more rounds after being toasted early. He was in shape and he is not a shot to bits guy. Just old and not what his best was.

I still think he can make some money and get some wins at HW today. He needs to go quick though. Right back at a top guy when he is ready to go. Let his career end when someone finishes him. Which Ruiz did not do. Ortiz survives this to fight another top guy on another day to me.

Dang, you obviously have no care for what type of long term damage a shot, old fighter can sustain when hanging on too long. He looked ok today only Because he was Fighting Andy tonight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:33

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:27

Kronkpride wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:22 Credit to Ortiz too....he is not shot even if old. He took some heavy duty shit early and recovered and even took some heavy dudty shit late and stayed on his feet. Responded back winning rounds pretty much every time after getting thumped too.

Team Ortiz should stay on the gas too and get him into the biggest fight possible next after he recovers from this. That 11th round shot on the eye looked evil man. Sure looked like it caused some damage.

Ortiz is shot to buggery and back.
Fat Andy only landed half a dozen right hands and half of them knocked Ortiz down.

If he was shot here, then he was shot both times he fought Wilder. This was the best version of Ortiz I've seen outside of the two Wilder fights.

I agree, he hasn't shown anything decent in years.
Jennings was his best performance back in late 2015.

I wonder if we'll see Wilder/Ruiz Jr. for the vacant WBC. Did they already strip Fury who "retired"?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:39

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:33

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:27
Ortiz is shot to buggery and back.
Fat Andy only landed half a dozen right hands and half of them knocked Ortiz down.

If he was shot here, then he was shot both times he fought Wilder. This was the best version of Ortiz I've seen outside of the two Wilder fights.

I agree, he hasn't shown anything decent in years.
Jennings was his best performance back in late 2015.

Yeah, but look who he was fighting. It was Jennings. I guess Ortiz was just a never was then.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:39 I wonder if we'll see Wilder/Ruiz Jr. for the vacant WBC. Did they already strip Fury who "retired"?

Wilder is getting up in that age where they love to Match Andy with,

BROZO wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:37

Kronkpride wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:33

KiwiRider wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:27
Ortiz is shot to buggery and back.
Fat Andy only landed half a dozen right hands and half of them knocked Ortiz down.

Nobody is what they once were when they get up in age. But he was no can and his recovery was better than most young men when hurt with some wicked shots. Ortiz legs didn't melt and stay melted. He carried himself through 10 more rounds after being toasted early. He was in shape and he is not a shot to bits guy. Just old and not what his best was.

I still think he can make some money and get some wins at HW today. He needs to go quick though. Right back at a top guy when he is ready to go. Let his career end when someone finishes him. Which Ruiz did not do. Ortiz survives this to fight another top guy on another day to me.

Dang, you obviously have no care for what type of long term damage a shot, old fighter can sustain when hanging on too long. He looked ok today only Because he was Fighting Andy tonight.

He is a prize fighter too and near the top earning potential of HWs. And a world title opportunity is not impossible from where he is with a big win or two still.

If his eye is F'd or something then yeah retire him. If he is all set financially for life that can be a different story too.

I still consider him to have a long shot to get a belt and to have a sure shot to be able to get the fights needed to get a shot. I would not retire a healthy Ortiz right now. And if he does need money I would surely go and get it with him. He can still make some bucks for sure. Don't walk away from the bucks until you are given a very good reason to do so. I haven't seen that reason yet with Ortiz.

I bought the ppv and enjoyed the whole card. 113-112 Ortiz for me.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:30

gregregegg wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:29 fornicate shocked that went 12. Amazing how people can have there legs go and be tapped to the canvas but still survive many more rounds

like i said, ruiz has no workrate or tank. he usually fights super slow paced. same for ortiz. then they both gassed and had no steam on their shots

Yea you were right. I didn’t doubt the things you were saying, I just figured Ruiz would hurt him early and then really go for it. Haven’t watched the fight yet I was at work, but saw highlights of first knockdown, was a hard one in round 2, I’m surprised Ortiz managed to survive and recover, his legs just look awful every time he is hit, but they come back quick I guess.

Surely now it’s Ortiz vs pulev time…. Put the wbc over 40s title on the line…

goose 5 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 01:57 I bought the ppv and enjoyed the whole card. 113-112 Ortiz for me.

I ended up enjoying three fights on the undercard, some real close matches. But the main event was a bit underwhelming. That was poor from Ruiz, his workrate was atrocious and could have ended it in the second or third round.

Ruiz workrate was poor? didn't i see some pictures that he had lost a lot of weight, or was that fake news?

CMCanavessi wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:32 I had it 113 112 Ortiz

I had it 114-112 Ortiz

I had it 113-112 Ruiz.

6-6 evens.

KD’s made the difference.

There was no urgency from Ruiz. Did he think with the early KD’s he could coast a little.

He’s very lucky.

Even with the KD, I read people actually still had Ortiz winning. Giving him 8 rounds or so.

I hear some backing Ruiz and saying people are being too harsh.

He had over a year off and he came in against a tough southpaw.

If Ortiz still had his legs and didn’t get dropped by a a jab then he’d still be tougher to beat.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 00:36 he should've opened up but he doesn't have the energy to do more than those ocassional bursts

He's just a fat lazy slob. Imagine having top trainers and nutritionists at your disposal with the very real possibility of reaching the top of your profession and then just don't give a fuck?
I hate nothing more than guys who can't even be bothered to get in shape, the one thing that everybody can accomplish. I say fuck Andy Ruiz, if he doesn't care I sure as hell won't either.

BTW, he should weigh no more than 225lbs.

With the knock-downs, I don't think Ortiz stood a chance at winning. Without them, it would have been close. Ruiz needs to do more, he's still too heavy even if he does breathe in for the way ins. Should keep going to cruiserweight. Ortiz should retire, unless Whyte or the Joyce/Parker loser wants to face him.

In my mind, Andy Ruiz Jr. has beaten Anthony Joshua, Luis Ortiz and Joseph Parker during his career.

He deserves to be considered one of the best big men competing today and is equally deserving to receive another title shot within the next 18 months as all the other heavyweight contenders.

In terms of Luis Ortiz, he’s been relegated to being a dangerous gatekeeper that regularly touches the canvas.

The Cuban should consider retirement, because he’s on the decline and is ready for the taking.

For all we know, the next time Luis Ortiz touches the canvas during a bout, there’s a good chance he fails to beat the count.

Put it this way, a technical boxer that has only scored two KO victories within the last six years managed to repeatedly hurt and drop Luis Ortiz… what would happen if one of the heavy-handed big punchers tag him?

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joshj909 wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 05:55

Hahaha