Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 06:31
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Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 06:48
Sanchez to 10 sounds fine.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 08:40
Negron is not at the level of opponent that has much bearing on top 15 rankings.
Moving to 10 for beating him seems like a stretch. Bump him over Helenius and wait for him to actually beat someone of note.
Moving to 10 for beating him seems like a stretch. Bump him over Helenius and wait for him to actually beat someone of note.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 08:57
Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.
Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.
Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 09:12
It's basically who people rate as an win more, Martin Vs Ajagba.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑18 Oct 2022, 08:57 Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.
Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 09:32
He's going to 12, as Helenius dropping out will naturally move him up. He doesn't gain any more respect from me as a fighter for that borefest this weekend. Sanchez looked like he's regressed and the stoppage was pathetic. Negron was punching back and Sanchez looked as though he'd punched himself out during the exchange if anything.
Maybe the Ajagba win flattered him?
Maybe the Ajagba win flattered him?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 09:43
It’s that style of fighting too..
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:50
Sounds like a solid undercard match up for Wilder-Ruizjoshj909 wrote: ↑18 Oct 2022, 09:12It's basically who people rate as an win more, Martin Vs Ajagba.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑18 Oct 2022, 08:57 Ortiz has beaten similar opponents.
Granted his win against Martin is ok on paper.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:58
Moving around doing nothing for ages and then fighting in short explosive bursts?
I wonder if he has much of a tank if he's not allowed to do that? Is he capable of a high paced tear up?
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 19 Oct 2022, 01:46
Sanchez to 14th.
Pulev vs chizzy was a better preformance than sanchez vs negron... That was reallly really poor in my eyes, it was a competitive fight untill a stoppage that was pretty borderline (wasnt a shocker but i think sanchez might of over commited and would of gassed if negron survived just a touch longer.)
Pulev vs chizzy was a better preformance than sanchez vs negron... That was reallly really poor in my eyes, it was a competitive fight untill a stoppage that was pretty borderline (wasnt a shocker but i think sanchez might of over commited and would of gassed if negron survived just a touch longer.)
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 05:44
Will close this on the weekend..
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 06:02
Time for us to vote on where to put Fury now with not much else scheduled either.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 06:04
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 20 Oct 2022, 12:40
Wilder to 2, Sanchez to remain at 13, Big Gug to 15
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 11:02
The vote is over.
Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.
We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.
Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
2.
Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
3.
Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA
4. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
5.
Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA
6.
Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
7. Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)
8. Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)
9.
Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
10.
Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA
11. Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
12.
Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA
13.
Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA
14.
Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA
15. VACANT
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights
03.12.2022 - Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. 
Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)
16.12.2022 -
Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()
Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.
We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.
Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 20(13) 0 0 - next fight: TBA2.
Anthony Joshua - 24(22) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA3.
Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - next fight: TBA4.
Joe Joyce - 15(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA5.
Andy Ruiz Jr - 35(22) 2(0) 0 - next fight: TBA6.
Joseph Parker - 30(21) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA7.
Dillian Whyte - 28(19) 3(3) 0 - next fight: 26.11.2022 vs. Jermaine Franklin - 32(23) 0 0 - (BoxRec's #52)8.
Dereck Chisora - 33(23) 12(3) 0 - next fight: 03.12.2022 vs. Tyson Fury - 32(23) 0 1 - (unranked)9.
Martin Bakole - 18(13) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA10.
Luis Ortiz - 33(28) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA11.
Frank Sanchez - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA12.
Otto Wallin - 24(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA13.
Kubrat Pulev - 29(14) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA14.
Filip Hrgovic - 15(12) 0 0 - next fight: TBA15. VACANT
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights
03.12.2022 -
Daniel Dubois - 18(17) 1(1) 0 (BoxRec's #17) vs. 
Kevin Lerena - 28(14) 1(0) 0 - (BoxRec's #23)16.12.2022 -
Arslanbek Makhmudov - 15(14) 0 0 (BoxRec's #18) vs. TBA - 0(0) 0 0 - ()Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 12:55
More upcoming HW fights:
November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest
November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 13:14
I missed out the Whyte and Fury bouts because they’re already listed on the rankings.CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 12:55 More upcoming HW fights:
November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest
These at the Bottom will be those are not kinda knocking on the top #15 door.
I’ll add those two as well. Good shout.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 13:25
I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 11:02 The vote is over.
Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.
We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.
Current ranking:
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
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15. VACANT
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights
03.12.2022 -
16.12.2022 -
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 13:41
Before I closed the vote there was around equal votes to keep him 3 or drop him 4. I worked it on the average votes.tiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 13:25I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 11:02 The vote is over.
Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.
We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.
Current ranking:
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. VACANT
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights
03.12.2022 -
16.12.2022 -
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 22 Oct 2022, 17:41
DDD and anderson should enter the rankings if they get good wins in december thats a bit exciting.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 13:14I missed out the Whyte and Fury bouts because they’re already listed on the rankings.CMCanavessi wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 12:55 More upcoming HW fights:
November 5 - Zhan Kossobutskiy VS Hussein Muhamed
November 26 - Dillian Whyte VS Jermaine Franklin
December 3 - Tyson Fury VS Derek Chisora
December 10 - Jared Anderson VS Jerry Forrest
These at the Bottom will be those are not kinda knocking on the top #15 door.
I’ll add those two as well. Good shout.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 23 Oct 2022, 16:30
the most votes of any single option were for him to go to 2, but #3 and #4 combined had more votes than that, so it averages out to him staying. it makes sense, basically most people thought he shouldnt move uptiny_acres wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 13:25I thought Wilder had more votes to move to #2 than to stay at 3 or drop to 4???Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Oct 2022, 11:02 The vote is over.
Wilder remains at #3 despite his KO win, Sanchez moves up to #11 and Helenius exits the rankings.
We will do a separate thread this week to vote Fury back in.
Current ranking:
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. VACANT
Upcoming Heavyweight Fights
03.12.2022 -
16.12.2022 -
personally i voted him to 2, i think just getting a win made the difference between him and aj, given that they were both short on recent wins prior to last week. tbh its been a while for either of them to get a particularly good win, i think they basically just go back and forth this point based on who won last
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 23 Oct 2022, 16:36
I voted him 2 as well..
I probably won’t have an option to drop boxers after a win going forward.. depends on who the opponent is.
I probably won’t have an option to drop boxers after a win going forward.. depends on who the opponent is.
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 23 Oct 2022, 16:39
no, you should definitely let people drop boxers with a win, it would be ridiciulous not to. lots of people do it and it comes off as you enforcing your own ranking preference too much
often guys in this list will come off inactivity to crush a can. in the meantime the division will have changed, and it is often appropriate to reposition a guy who scored a meaningless win based on what else has happened. we also get guys who simply hold on by attrition too long, without doing anything, and being able to vote them down on a win gives us a chance to account for that
often guys in this list will come off inactivity to crush a can. in the meantime the division will have changed, and it is often appropriate to reposition a guy who scored a meaningless win based on what else has happened. we also get guys who simply hold on by attrition too long, without doing anything, and being able to vote them down on a win gives us a chance to account for that
Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Wilder vs. Helenius / Sanchez vs. Negron
Posted: 23 Oct 2022, 16:48
Wallin is becoming that guy very quick.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Oct 2022, 16:39 no, you should definitely let people drop boxers with a win, it would be ridiciulous not to. lots of people do it and it comes off as you enforcing your own ranking preference too much
often guys in this list will come off inactivity to crush a can. in the meantime the division will have changed, and it is often appropriate to reposition a guy who scored a meaningless win based on what else has happened. we also get guys who simply hold on by attrition too long, without doing anything, and being able to vote them down on a win gives us a chance to account for that
Soko and Forrest..