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Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 11 Sep 2023, 16:42
by Teddy's Toupee
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 16:37
Coco wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 13:57
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 13:09
I was just being childish but is the hurdles distance really different?
Women throw lighter shot puts and javelins
Does that not make them trip over the hurdles?
How do they even manage to pick them up and throw them while wearing boxing gloves?
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 11 Sep 2023, 17:32
by Coco
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 16:37
Coco wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 13:57
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑11 Sep 2023, 13:09
I was just being childish but is the hurdles distance really different?
Women throw lighter shot puts and javelins
Does that not make them trip over the hurdles?
No, I guess that is why they are lighter, so they don't trip....
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 12:07
by stujones
Well I guess this is a sport where fatigue could have disastrous consequences - so will need to be careful. I am all for it in theory, but we wouldn't expect a novice to compete in 3 minutes rounds not just because of lack of ability but because he might not have the "built up stamina" and two novices being absolutely fucked because they haven't got the stamina could be a disaster.
If they don't have the stamina then injuries could happen - so would need to dread carefully.
On a side note, Cameron would smash Taylor over 3 minute rounds, the way Taylor puts everything into the 2 minutes and is gasping between rounds. She has an excellent recovery but I think 3 minutes would see her getting KO'd.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 12:11
by leejonesjnr
stujones wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:07
Well I guess this is a sport where fatigue could have disastrous consequences - so will need to be careful. I am all for it in theory, but we wouldn't expect a novice to compete in 3 minutes rounds not just because of lack of ability but because he might not have the "built up stamina" and two novices being absolutely fucked because they haven't got the stamina could be a disaster.
If they don't have the stamina then injuries could happen - so would need to dread carefully.
On a side note, Cameron would smash Taylor over 3 minute rounds, the way Taylor puts everything into the 2 minutes and is gasping between rounds. She has an excellent recovery but I think 3 minutes would see her getting KO'd.
It’s reasonably rare that novices don’t do 3s?
Do you mean amateurs?
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 12:46
by Ezzard
I think 12 x 3s for women will be a disaster for boxing.
Right now they look like women. There is plenty of action and it's over relatively quickly. I like the sport.
Women getting badly beaten up will be a huge red flag for me. And we will just end up with women who just about qualify as women.
The first time there's a female fatality we're fucked.
It is beyond me why anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 13:27
by leejonesjnr
Ezzard wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:46
I think 12 x 3s for women will be a disaster for boxing.
Right now they look like women. There is plenty of action and it's over relatively quickly. I like the sport.
Women getting badly beaten up will be a huge red flag for me. And we will just end up with women who just about qualify as women.
The first time there's a female fatality we're fucked.
It is beyond me why anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Would you approve of mens rounds being changed to 10 x 2s?
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 17:29
by stujones
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:11
stujones wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:07
Well I guess this is a sport where fatigue could have disastrous consequences - so will need to be careful. I am all for it in theory, but we wouldn't expect a novice to compete in 3 minutes rounds not just because of lack of ability but because he might not have the "built up stamina" and two novices being absolutely fucked because they haven't got the stamina could be a disaster.
If they don't have the stamina then injuries could happen - so would need to dread carefully.
On a side note, Cameron would smash Taylor over 3 minute rounds, the way Taylor puts everything into the 2 minutes and is gasping between rounds. She has an excellent recovery but I think 3 minutes would see her getting KO'd.
It’s reasonably rare that novices don’t do 3s?
Do you mean amateurs?
Yes I mean amateurs, but also aren't these youtuber things over 2 mins
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 12 Sep 2023, 17:57
by leejonesjnr
stujones wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 17:29
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:11
stujones wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:07
Well I guess this is a sport where fatigue could have disastrous consequences - so will need to be careful. I am all for it in theory, but we wouldn't expect a novice to compete in 3 minutes rounds not just because of lack of ability but because he might not have the "built up stamina" and two novices being absolutely fucked because they haven't got the stamina could be a disaster.
If they don't have the stamina then injuries could happen - so would need to dread carefully.
On a side note, Cameron would smash Taylor over 3 minute rounds, the way Taylor puts everything into the 2 minutes and is gasping between rounds. She has an excellent recovery but I think 3 minutes would see her getting KO'd.
It’s reasonably rare that novices don’t do 3s?
Do you mean amateurs?
Yes I mean amateurs, but also aren't these youtuber things over 2 mins
Ah.
This is concerning professional boxing.
No idea, I don’t have any interest in YouTuber boxing.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 08:34
by Ezzard
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 13:27
Ezzard wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:46
I think 12 x 3s for women will be a disaster for boxing.
Right now they look like women. There is plenty of action and it's over relatively quickly. I like the sport.
Women getting badly beaten up will be a huge red flag for me. And we will just end up with women who just about qualify as women.
The first time there's a female fatality we're fucked.
It is beyond me why anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Would you approve of mens rounds being changed to 10 x 2s?
No. Why would I?
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 13 Sep 2023, 10:43
by leejonesjnr
Ezzard wrote: ↑13 Sep 2023, 08:34
leejonesjnr wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 13:27
Ezzard wrote: ↑12 Sep 2023, 12:46
I think 12 x 3s for women will be a disaster for boxing.
Right now they look like women. There is plenty of action and it's over relatively quickly. I like the sport.
Women getting badly beaten up will be a huge red flag for me. And we will just end up with women who just about qualify as women.
The first time there's a female fatality we're fucked.
It is beyond me why anyone thinks this is a good idea.
Would you approve of mens rounds being changed to 10 x 2s?
No. Why would I?
Same reasons you'd use for female boxing?
I'm not looking for an argument with a stranger on the internet, it was a face value question.
Its not inconceivable, another step along the way from dropping 15 rounders to 12.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 14 Sep 2023, 01:12
by Ezzard
Dropping down from 15 to 12 was bad enough.
A female fatality will be far more tragic than a man dying in the ring or from injuries sustained in the ring. The last 1,000 years of art and literature is all the proof you need.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 14 Sep 2023, 09:42
by olij999
Ezzard wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 01:12
Dropping down from 15 to 12 was bad enough.
A female fatality will be far more tragic than a man dying in the ring or from injuries sustained in the ring. The last 1,000 years of art and literature is all the proof you need.
I respectfully disagree. Any fatality from boxing is a tragedy, however statistically rare it may be, regardless of whether the boxer is male or female. Whether the press make something of it will depend on whether it is in a televised, high-profile fight or tucked away on a small-hall undercard, just as it would be for a male fatality. As for art and literature, whether in the last 1000 years or back into the classical period, I don't see it provides any proof or evidence relevant to this. To me, history points the other way - in the 1952 Olympics, the longest individual distance that women were allowed to run was 200m, because men feared they were physiologically incapable of anything more, and look how that view has aged. And I suspect Boudicca and Tomyris would have been quite comfortable with the concept of 12 x 3s.
But each to their own - I appreciate we are unlikely to agree on this.
Re: 12 x 3 minute rounds for women's boxing
Posted: 14 Sep 2023, 11:07
by Ezzard
olij999 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 09:42
Ezzard wrote: ↑14 Sep 2023, 01:12
Dropping down from 15 to 12 was bad enough.
A female fatality will be far more tragic than a man dying in the ring or from injuries sustained in the ring. The last 1,000 years of art and literature is all the proof you need.
I respectfully disagree. Any fatality from boxing is a tragedy, however statistically rare it may be, regardless of whether the boxer is male or female. Whether the press make something of it will depend on whether it is in a televised, high-profile fight or tucked away on a small-hall undercard, just as it would be for a male fatality. As for art and literature, whether in the last 1000 years or back into the classical period, I don't see it provides any proof or evidence relevant to this. To me, history points the other way - in the 1952 Olympics, the longest individual distance that women were allowed to run was 200m, because men feared they were physiologically incapable of anything more, and look how that view has aged. And I suspect Boudicca and Tomyris would have been quite comfortable with the concept of 12 x 3s.
But each to their own - I appreciate we are unlikely to agree on this.
Nobody cares. The headlines for a female fatality have already been written. And if she has a kid...