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Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:47

coneye wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 20:50

stujones wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 20:41 On a side, wasn’t that Luxembourg loophole cos the UK was in the EU?

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

The Professional Boxing Promotors Association tried it,and very nearly succeeded.

who was behind that?

John wrote: ↑04 Mar 2024, 05:31

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑04 Mar 2024, 04:51 Don’t forget allowing Alejandra Ayala to box fo a ‘world’ title despite showing a brain anomaly when she had previously boxed in the UK…. Ayala subsequently got badly injured and put in a coma. Board made no comment on this.

Anomalies are very common, many boxers appeal to the Board that their anomaly is benign. You are in the hands of experts and experts all have their own opinion.

How common? And given Ayala was almost killed it’s likely it wasn’t benign. And if Ayala had ‘proof’ it was benign why didn’t the board mention this or even discuss the matter at all? Very very suspicious and unprofessional

John wrote: ↑04 Mar 2024, 07:31 Luxembourg got their wrists slapped for what they did. "Reputable" commissions try to work together for the good of the sport but there are plenty of others who will do whatever the promoter pays them to. If Eddie wanted to stage an event in the UK without the Board it would be very easy. But we wouldn't recognise it and most other people in boxing wouldn't.
It's easy to criticise the Board but I think people don't realise how lucky we are to have them. There are very few commissions in the World of equal high standard, Nevada, Japan, California maybe Texas and New York.

Why would you not recognise it John, you didn't initially for Haye Chisora but then did https://boxrec.com/en/event/648464

The same as you used to recognise Malta Boxing Commission sanctioned events in the UK
https://boxrec.com/en/event/696480

and you recognised and published the results from German Boxing Association sanctioned UK events
https://boxrec.com/en/event/672305

However you banned the results of BDF UK sanctioned events results being published and of course have never published BIBA results - however that didn't stop WBO and WBA authorising their championships on BIBA events, ok in the case of LEE MCALLISTER WBO titles he already had a Boxrec listing, but more recently, just last month the WBA authorised Eleanor Coulson, who you've never listed as a pro even though she is 14-1-0 to challenge for a Championship and on a BIBA sanctioned event in Mansfield.

Is Boxrec a record keeper or a record collector site - because if a record keeper why do you refuse to add records from a legitimate and recognised commission such as the British & Irish Boxing Authority.

Also I'd like to put you right regarding Luxembourg, yes they did get expelled from the EBU following the event going ahead, but don't for one minute think it was because they sanctioned the event - the BBBofC tried and failed on that, so rested to underhand tactics - firstly it was supposed to be 1 vote per commission but as there was little support the EBU authorised voting on the basis or BBBofC 134 votes, BDB 34 votes, Swiss Boxing 24 votes and the rest of us (yes I was there representing then EBU member MBC) just 1-5 votes to ensure they were victorious - however it WAS NEVER ABOUT SANCTIONING HAYE-CHISORA - Luxembourg were expelled from the EBU for licensing Derek Chisora, who the BBBofC claimed was a criminal and should not be licensed - even on that basis they would have lost if it wasn't for the rigged vote - oh and of course BBBofC re-licensed Derek later that year

LucaDiCaro wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 12:00

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:50

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑04 Mar 2024, 06:32

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Serious question. What makes the BBBOC any more 'licenced' than BIBBA?

They are not - as proved in the past week as BBBofC tried to block BIBA licensed boxer Eleanor Coulson being ranked by WBA and failed - Eleanor is now ranked #5 in the WBA World Middleweight Female rankings

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-boxer-profile?id=17416

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-female-ranking

This article that was published earlier today is worth reading https://bnnbreaking.com/sports/eleanor- ... ampionship

I did not know this but it proves what I have been saying for years, the board have no official durestiction. For example if Misfits suddenly decided they wanted to be affiliated to the WBC there is nothing the board can do about it.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 12:03

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:47

coneye wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 20:50

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

The Professional Boxing Promotors Association tried it,and very nearly succeeded.

who was behind that?

Back in the late 90's,early 00 about 20 promoters from around the country formed an association called the Professional Boxing Promotors Association. They were all BBBOC licence holders and the board had no choice but to recognise them. They even had their own titles(maybe still have). The beauty of it was that all the promoters could use the one bond under the PBPA banner as long one or more did not put a show on on the same night. They even did shows together up and down the country. It could have of worked out perfectly too with just a little bit more thought going into it. So it can be done imo

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 14:13

LucaDiCaro wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 12:00

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:50

Serious question. What makes the BBBOC any more 'licenced' than BIBBA?

They are not - as proved in the past week as BBBofC tried to block BIBA licensed boxer Eleanor Coulson being ranked by WBA and failed - Eleanor is now ranked #5 in the WBA World Middleweight Female rankings

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-boxer-profile?id=17416

https://www.wbaboxing.com/wba-female-ranking

This article that was published earlier today is worth reading https://bnnbreaking.com/sports/eleanor- ... ampionship

I did not know this but it proves what I have been saying for years, the board have no official durestiction. For example if Misfits suddenly decided they wanted to be affiliated to the WBC there is nothing the board can do about it.

Absolutely correct on all - as proved by BIBA with WBA

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 14:31

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 12:03

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:47
The Professional Boxing Promotors Association tried it,and very nearly succeeded.

who was behind that?

Back in the late 90's,early 00 about 20 promoters from around the country formed an association called the Professional Boxing Promotors Association. They were all BBBOC licence holders and the board had no choice but to recognise them. They even had their own titles(maybe still have). The beauty of it was that all the promoters could use the one bond under the PBPA banner as long one or more did not put a show on on the same night. They even did shows together up and down the country. It could have of worked out perfectly too with just a little bit more thought going into it. So it can be done imo

They also worked closely with LBF, GBA and BDB for UK events - Luxembourg with Haye-Chisora and GBA did a few UK shows at York Hall - all on Boxrec and all featured MBC licensed boxers as well as BBBofC - unfortunately it was one of the PBPA or PBA as they are now known, main guy's arguing with Boxrec about their failure to record BDF UK events that led to the BDF being removed totally from Boxrec - PBPA or PBA started talking with other overseas commissions a few years back but as far as am aware nothing came of it

I speak regularly with the new BDF President, he is trying to get Boxrec to start listing BDF again, but apparently no joy to date

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 14:31

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 12:03

Bercli wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 11:47
The Professional Boxing Promotors Association tried it,and very nearly succeeded.

who was behind that?

Back in the late 90's,early 00 about 20 promoters from around the country formed an association called the Professional Boxing Promotors Association. They were all BBBOC licence holders and the board had no choice but to recognise them. They even had their own titles(maybe still have). The beauty of it was that all the promoters could use the one bond under the PBPA banner as long one or more did not put a show on on the same night. They even did shows together up and down the country. It could have of worked out perfectly too with just a little bit more thought going into it. So it can be done imo

thanks for taking the time to explain Bercli, had no idea about this, really interesting.

Am I p*ssing in the wind with regards wanting for there to be government intervention in boxing …

A complete overhaul of boxing with all aspects to regulated by the BBBofC

Its all very well there being BIBA but surely they are the same as BBBofC and we would eventually
Have the same problems

Spud wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:32 Am I p*ssing in the wind with regards wanting for there to be government intervention in boxing …

Government intervention might not be what we want. The only likely scenario where they get involved is because something really, really bad has happened. Then the woke nut job MPs that are anti boxing and might take it as an opportunity to try and legislate us out of existence, ie banning blows to the head.

John wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:50

Spud wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:32 Am I p*ssing in the wind with regards wanting for there to be government intervention in boxing …

Government intervention might not be what we want. The only likely scenario where they get involved is because something really, really bad has happened. Then the woke nut job MPs that are anti boxing and might take it as an opportunity to try and legislate us out of existence, ie banning blows to the head.

Unfortunately you are right Shep

Spud wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 09:01

John wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:50

Spud wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:32 Am I p*ssing in the wind with regards wanting for there to be government intervention in boxing …

Government intervention might not be what we want. The only likely scenario where they get involved is because something really, really bad has happened. Then the woke nut job MPs that are anti boxing and might take it as an opportunity to try and legislate us out of existence, ie banning blows to the head.

Unfortunately you are right Shep

Government intervention is the last thing needed

Spud wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 08:32 Am I p*ssing in the wind with regards wanting for there to be government intervention in boxing …

A complete overhaul of boxing with all aspects to regulated by the BBBofC

Its all very well there being BIBA but surely they are the same as BBBofC and we would eventually
Have the same problems

Unfortunately,it is human nature to take advantage of the trusted position given/or self appointed imo. Not all take advantage of the position entrusted in them but a lot do,including some of the entitled people on the board. The board is so outdated now,unless they move with times,they may not exist in 10 years time.

Tough one this for me. In theory government intervention sounds good. Then you think of where government intervention can lead and its a bit like that could be worse.

I worked in local government for over a decade and sometimes concluded our intervention made things worse.

Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Floydendizer wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Harsh. If she's happy with BIBA and has a world ranking surely that's good?

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 17:02

Floydendizer wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Harsh. If she's happy with BIBA and has a world ranking surely that's good?

I imagine she is fighting in community centres

Coco wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 18:32

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 17:02

Floydendizer wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Harsh. If she's happy with BIBA and has a world ranking surely that's good?

I imagine she is fighting in community centres

not sure where she fights mate I don't know much about it all.

LucaDiCaro wrote: ↑05 Mar 2024, 08:29

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑04 Mar 2024, 06:32

coneye wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 20:50

Not sure on that one .but i dont think there would be any way of stopping say you and i from forming our own stu and coneye boxing board of control implement whatever rules we want allow and sanction anything we want . Alks we would need would be promiters and boxers to sign up to be honest i.m suprised its not happenned YET

It has (sort of) with BIBA, though everyone outside of BIBA considers it to be unlicensed boxing

Perhaps people will think differently about BIBA now that we have hosted WBA and WBO Championship fights

Do you expect that will be the case?
You must be really close to that court case thats going to bring the BBBoC down by now aren't you?

Floydendizer wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Is she good?
What made her choose BIBA instead of BBBoC?
Is she Australian or from another part of Oceania?

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 18:53

Floydendizer wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:52 Elle Coulsen needs to switch to the BBBofC female world champion & earning journeyman purses , she has talent & it’s getting wasted on these BIBA cards .

Is she good?
What made her choose BIBA instead of BBBoC?
Is she Australian or from another part of Oceania?

very near to Australia Lee. She's from Worksop.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 16:29 Tough one this for me. In theory government intervention sounds good. Then you think of where government intervention can lead and its a bit like that could be worse.

I worked in local government for over a decade and sometimes concluded our intervention made things worse.

Govt is the last thing you want involved , , they bring in rules just to say they have , you will end up with a 25 year old straight out of uni into the labor party dictating , contracted to the govt for neigh on 25 years and learnt whenever there involved its a game , and nothing to do with improving ANYTHING ,, they love to dictate , change rules , and bully there main anmbition is to climb the ladder and stab each other in the back while they blame there mates for it . there a cancer that ruin everything they touch .

But with saying that everything runs its course , and i will not be suprised one bit to learn in the next few years they have competition , think about it , if Warren and Hearns , tell them to do one ,and join a different one , encouraging ALL boxers to join them , followed by small time promoters , there a toothless tiger with no jungle to play in

Female boxers earning decent purses now on Sky / TNT / Dazn , Elle has built a good record on paper won various belts but earning £1500 a fight ,she must be happy & boxing is a hobby for her .

Floydendizer wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 15:01 Female boxers earning decent purses now on Sky / TNT / Dazn , Elle has built a good record on paper won various belts but earning £1500 a fight ,she must be happy & boxing is a hobby for her .

Sorry that's not quite correct - Amanda Serrano even as a 7 division World Champion was earning an average off $1000-$4000 per fight. https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/boxing/ ... vabqyzq830

Female fighters purses have always been in the low thousands, but that is now changing and if all goes Elle will also begin to attract higher purses

LucaDiCaro wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 15:15

Floydendizer wrote: ↑07 Mar 2024, 15:01 Female boxers earning decent purses now on Sky / TNT / Dazn , Elle has built a good record on paper won various belts but earning £1500 a fight ,she must be happy & boxing is a hobby for her .

Sorry that's not quite correct - Amanda Serrano even as a 7 division World Champion was earning an average off $1000-$4000 per fight. https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/boxing/ ... vabqyzq830

Female fighters purses have always been in the low thousands, but that is now changing and if all goes Elle will also begin to attract higher purses

there is some mad bitterness towards BIBA, BBBoC need challenging, good luck with it Luca.