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Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 09:31
by The Gratest
Ah well, carry on
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 09:46
by Ricky
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 12:48
by Taansend
I thought Bivol won handily & was a little shocked at the cards but it wasn't a robbery.
They just saw things differently than I did.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 14:25
by a force
Wales wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 05:55
Interestingly ALL 3 judges ringside agreed on 10 of the 12 rounds with the judges only disagreeing on two of the rounds … 4 and 7 . In both 4 and 7 2 of the 3 judges gave it to Bertebiev. So when singling out one judge need to consider he saw every round the same as the majority of the 3 ringside
Round one - unanimous
Palomo - Bivol 10-9
Feldman - Bivol 10-9
Kardyni - Bivol 10-9
Round two - unanimous
Palomo - Bivol 10-9
Feldman - Bivol 10-9
Kardyni - Bivol 10-9
Round three - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round four - split
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Bivol 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round five - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round six - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round seven - split
Palomo - Bivol 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round eight - unanimous
Palomo - Bivol 10-9
Feldman - Bivol 10-9
Kardyni - Bivol 10-9
Round nine - unanimous
Palomo - Bivol 10-9
Feldman - Bivol 10-9
Kardyni - Bivol 10-9
Round 10 - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round 11 - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
Round 12 - unanimous
Palomo - Beterbiev 10-9
Feldman - Beterbiev 10-9
Kardyni - Beterbiev 10-9
That’s good to see & how it should be.
What concerns me is where you get absolutely crazy scorecards like Taylor - Catterall 2 where clear Catterall rounds are going to Taylor & clear Taylor rounds were going to Catterall & there was barely a round that all three agreed on.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 14:29
by a force
J-C wrote: ↑14 Oct 2024, 02:35
a force wrote: ↑13 Oct 2024, 23:09I think you can fairly get to 116-112 for each fighter but 116-112 seems pretty harsh as it means you’re giving all the close rounds to one of the fighters.
Yep, I think that’s one of the things that never gets spoken about enough.
A lot of us scoring at home might give a close round to one fighter because we gave the last close round to the other. But, as I understand it, the judges are supposed to score each round as if it were a one round fight.
You’re right the 116-112 card gave all the close rounds to Beterbiev but I think there was only round 4 that he gave to Beterbiev without at least on of the others scoring for AB too.
That’s a good point. If I’m scoring I’ll make a note at the side that it was close so that if for example I score it 115-113 to fighter A & I’ve marked two close rounds that I’ve given to fighter A then I can’t be claiming a robbery if fighter B gets it 115-113.
I think a lot of people who claim robbery don’t actually score fights round by round. Simon Jordan was claiming that he felt Bivol deserved it but never gave us his scorecard which makes me think he didn’t have one.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 15:21
by Bobbyptsd
I had Beterbiev winning by a point so obviously my answer is "no"
And when everything is a "robbery", nothing is a robbery. We see this a lot today in several areas, when people try to be overdramatic and use big serious words, they eventually lose their meaning. A robbery is like Jones vs. the Korean guy in the olympics or something like that. 1-2 point swing type fights can't be "robberies", that's using language that's too strong for what it describes.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 17:26
by Controversial
Watching it live I thought Bivol won. Just watched and scored and it was a lot closer than I thought. I actually had Beterbiev winning 115-114 but can see how someone else can score a round the other way so could easily be a draw or a Bivol win.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 17:42
by JamesPhilips
Controversial wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:26
Watching it live I thought Bivol won. Just watched and scored and it was a lot closer than I thought. I actually had Beterbiev winning 115-114 but can see how someone else can score a round the other way so could easily be a draw or a Bivol win.
Bro - I thought Bivol won. But I had Beterbiev winning.
Which is it?
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 17:47
by Coco
Can't really say who won a fight without having a scorecard
Does anyone think that Fast Car has a scorecard?
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 17:50
by JamesPhilips
Coco wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:47
Can't really say who won a fight without having a scorecard
Does anyone think that Fast Car has a scorecard?
Yes Hearn’s scorecard read 120-108 Bivol
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 19:09
by Boxerbeetle
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:42
Controversial wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:26
Watching it live I thought Bivol won. Just watched and scored and it was a lot closer than I thought. I actually had Beterbiev winning 115-114 but can see how someone else can score a round the other way so could easily be a draw or a Bivol win.
Bro - I thought Bivol won. But I had Beterbiev winning.
Which is it?
Just proves the general point though, doesn't it. You can definitely watch a fight and 'feel' someone has one it, but scoring round by round is totally different.
Maybe boxing should just scrap RBR scoring entirely? Must be better ways of doing it
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 15 Oct 2024, 19:27
by JamesPhilips
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 19:09
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:42
Controversial wrote: ↑15 Oct 2024, 17:26
Watching it live I thought Bivol won. Just watched and scored and it was a lot closer than I thought. I actually had Beterbiev winning 115-114 but can see how someone else can score a round the other way so could easily be a draw or a Bivol win.
Bro - I thought Bivol won. But I had Beterbiev winning.
Which is it?
Just proves the general point though, doesn't it. You can definitely watch a fight and 'feel' someone has one it, but scoring round by round is totally different.
Maybe boxing should just scrap RBR scoring entirely? Must be better ways of doing it
I think the best solution is wider scoring options. Like the 10 point must sytem is simplistic
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 06:15
by Ezzard
I don't have a problem with a close fight going the wrong way just as long as there is an immediate rematch. If there's no immediate rematch then it stinks.
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 16 Oct 2024, 14:06
by Controversial
So many of the rounds were really close, the kind of fight where it’s easy to get three different results
Re: Was Beterbiev vs Bivol a robbery?
Posted: 20 Oct 2024, 01:20
by DrDuke
Here the poll is for Bivol, but there're more votes in the database, there it's 7-5 for Bert in rounds and 113,83 vs 113,79 for Bivol on points.
The 7th round is the closest. I gave it for Bivol.
