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Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 04:37
by J
exactly domestic.
What you are asking is akin to Lennox after he beat holyfield to take on Danny williams.
witter needs to earn a shot and struggling agianst lovemore ndou doesnt do that.
Hattn has just beaten THE MAN in the division. debatable whether he should have had a crack at Zoo straight off but thats the what happened.
He certinaly had done more that Witter has to warrant a crack at hatton.
Junior (and i wish him all the best) should concentrate on his own career as should his fans.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 05:38
by Bard of Boxrec
dbf wrote:
cheers man.
I just read on Alledgedly's site that Souleymane M'baye is fighting on the Arthur Sirinstin card. That seems like an interesting thing to be advertising? Hes not bringing him over to give him exposure as Rickys next opponent is he?
Geez, Im bit a bit supicious of old Alledgedly!
Maybe he's the easy voluntary first defense.
Hope not, though. i hate the idea, why should a guy like that, over anyone else, get a crack at the world title just because the champion picked him.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 05:42
by J
i think an easy defence in between fighting zoo then corrales is exactly what is needed.
think its abit unreasonbale to expect him to take on coralles then unification matches straight off but there you go.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:12
by Kilburn
It was a great win over Tszyu but he didn't have to go to hell and back. He wasn't shaken up, wasn't cut, and controlled the pace of the fight. I don't see why he should be having a softie lined up next.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:17
by J
Totally disagree It was a hell of a rough fight what you on about?
I had it level after 8. this wasnt a one two round blow out Kil. nor a one sided beat down.
11 rounds against kostya it dont get much harder than that.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:27
by Kilburn
It was a physical fight but not a hugely punishing fight for Hatton. It's not the kind of fight where people would be saying "He doesn't want to have too many more of them..".
Hatton fought the way he wanted to fight all the way through, and didn't have to soak up that many bombs.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:29
by J
fair enough, still reckon he will get an easy touch for his next defence though.
but i could be wrong usually am.

Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:31
by liamlion
J wrote:exactly domestic.
What you are asking is akin to Lennox after he beat holyfield to take on Danny williams.
witter needs to earn a shot and struggling agianst lovemore ndou doesnt do that.
Hattn has just beaten THE MAN in the division. debatable whether he should have had a crack at Zoo straight off but thats the what happened.
He certinaly had done more that Witter has to warrant a crack at hatton.
Junior (and i wish him all the best) should concentrate on his own career as should his fans.
Jesus, Eubank v Benn was a domestic fight as was Eubank v Watson as was Watson v Benn. Are you a snob? Just because a fight is domestic doesnt equate to it being rubbish or less attractive than other fights. I would argue Brits would rather take a domestic dust-up between two genuine world class home grown fighters than any other type of fight.
If youre talking about earning shots. What did Hatton do to earn his? His promoter is very shrew and paid Kosta Tzysu well over the odds to secure the fight. In this sense money talks, so it is hypercritical for anyone to tell the reigning European Champion to "earn" his shot, when Hatton did no thing but see his promoter buy his title shot.
What Im asking for isnt "akin" to anything you've suggested for en route to the title Lewis took out his domestic rivals Gary Mason, etc. Whilst having beat Holyfield there were no viable domestic opposition left for Lewis, for the likes of Bruno had ALREADY been dealt with by Lewis.
The bottom-line is do people think it is acceptable for Hatton and Allegedly to avoid Junior Witter? Personally I dont. Perhaps some think Ricky has earnt that right.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:55
by J
come on now son, if you cant see hatton has movced to another level then you are biased. I knwo it hurts but get over it.
benn and eubank were domestic fights sure by two world or former world champs. Its not comparable. The second time they met was a unification of the WBC and WBO titles.
As i state Hatton wont fight witter until witter has a belt like it or not and i dont really see why he should neither.
"Shall i fight witter at home for big risk and little kudos especially in america, give Junior a chance to cash in on my name now I am the number one in the division after he has been disrepsectful and bad mouthing me for years or shall I fight Diego corralles for milliions., prestige and world fame."
tough call.
ive said it many times best of luck to junior but he (and his fans) should shut the fornicate up ang get on about securing a shot at the title by beating other oponents.
this is all getitng rather boring and I had hoped it would subside post Hatton beating zoo.
Really concentrate on on the postives of witter career and future fights instead of decrying Ricky.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 06:59
by liamlion
Sorry dad.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 07:00
by J
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 19:04
by jamesmcdonnell
liamlion wrote:J wrote:exactly domestic.
What you are asking is akin to Lennox after he beat holyfield to take on Danny williams.
witter needs to earn a shot and struggling agianst lovemore ndou doesnt do that.
Hattn has just beaten THE MAN in the division. debatable whether he should have had a crack at Zoo straight off but thats the what happened.
He certinaly had done more that Witter has to warrant a crack at hatton.
Junior (and i wish him all the best) should concentrate on his own career as should his fans.
Jesus, Eubank v Benn was a domestic fight as was Eubank v Watson as was Watson v Benn. Are you a snob? Just because a fight is domestic doesnt equate to it being rubbish or less attractive than other fights. I would argue Brits would rather take a domestic dust-up between two genuine world class home grown fighters than any other type of fight.
If youre talking about earning shots. What did Hatton do to earn his? His promoter is very shrew and paid Kosta Tzysu well over the odds to secure the fight. In this sense money talks, so it is hypercritical for anyone to tell the reigning European Champion to "earn" his shot, when Hatton did no thing but see his promoter buy his title shot.
What Im asking for isnt "akin" to anything you've suggested for en route to the title Lewis took out his domestic rivals Gary Mason, etc. Whilst having beat Holyfield there were no viable domestic opposition left for Lewis, for the likes of Bruno had ALREADY been dealt with by Lewis.
The bottom-line is do people think it is acceptable for Hatton and Allegedly to avoid Junior Witter? Personally I dont. Perhaps some think Ricky has earnt that right.
I hardly think it's fair to say Ricky is 'avoiding' Witter, when he's just beaten Kostya Tszyu, the overwhelming favourite and top 5 p4p main man at 140. Junior hasn't done anything to earn a shot, perhaps Ricky should have faced him earlier in his career, but that's by the by.
Witter needs to get on with fighting his way to the top of the ratings and try and get his own belt, Hatton doesn't need him, in truth he never has.
Any promoter worth his salt with a world class talent like Hatton in his camp would avoid a dangerous domestic clash in favour of building a global profile, which is exactly what Warren has done.
I've been critical of Warren in the past, but let's face it, the man knows his fornicating onions, and he's guided hatton not just to a title belt, but right to the top of the pile.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 19:09
by jamesmcdonnell
J wrote:Totally disagree It was a hell of a rough fight what you on about?
I had it level after 8. this wasnt a one two round blow out Kil. nor a one sided beat down.
11 rounds against kostya it dont get much harder than that.

kostya looked like he was going to win it up till the 8th, Hatton took a lot of big shots in the 4th to 7th he looked like he was running out of ideas until kostya started to feel the pace and get demoralised.
I had it level at the end of the 10th I think. 1-2 hatton, 3-7 Tszyu, 8th close, but Hatton edges it, then 9th 10th hatton.
hatton has earned a soft defence if he wants it, but I think he wants the big boys.
Posted: 14 Jun 2005, 23:07
by Tantum
Hatton took the worst in the third round, I think.
Round three - Ding...
As soon as they meet, pow, best right hand of the whole fight, and Hatton holds on for a long time.
Posted: 15 Jun 2005, 15:19
by liamlion
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
I hardly think it's fair to say Ricky is 'avoiding' Witter, when he's just beaten Kostya Tszyu, the overwhelming favourite and top 5 p4p main man at 140.
Right so you've stated that you dont believe Hatton has dodged Witter. Thats fair enough, but hold on...
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Any promoter worth his salt with a world class talent like Hatton in his camp would avoid a dangerous domestic clash in favour of building a global profile, which is exactly what Warren has done.
Yet despite what you've said earlier, you've clearly contradicted yourself and have justified Hatton for avoiding Witter.
Whats your position? Has Hatton avoided Witter or hasnt he?
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 05:07
by J
who cares he is the linear champ who give sa frigg how he got there.
he pulled it out of the bahg when no-one (well a few of us did) thought he would.
and still we have the bitterness from witter fans...
get over it move on, support junior in getintg at cotto or someone then talk of a unification, that would be fantastic...

Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 06:55
by J
YANW ANOTHER BITTER WITTER FAN WHY DONT YOU fornicate OFF PLEASE.
OR PERHAPS IT IS ONE WE KNOW ALREADY LIRVA?
IBF AND LINEAR CHAMP RICKY HATTON.
Read recite and learn.
be pleased for him, for british boxing in general (look at how muc ocverage it has got) in the same way I iwll be pleased if Witter gets a title.
really you should grow up or shut up.
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:00
by J
NO YOU ARENT BITTER.
not at all

Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:12
by J
OR FIGHT TACKIE WHIO IS LETS FACE IT ON A PAR WITH JUNIORS BEST WIN OVER NDOU.
look you rude little man, im not the one who came on here whinging like some 5 yr old whjo didnt get the toy he wanted for xmas, ricky is dirty blah blah blah,
he had a gamplan stuck to it and out hearted zoo. It was a great night for British boxing.
you are the one the one who is belittling that no one else.
If you cant see that then you are no boxing fan.
dont keep calling me names please, try and at least show a little class and maturity. Even if it is beyond you, at least try.
other dont want to read a war of words between you and i, this is a boxing website so show some decorum when discussing the FACTS if you are able.
cheers
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:19
by J
end of conversation.
hatotn obf champ witter outside looking in
siya
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:23
by knockout
Lonely, i'm so lonely.........
Hatton didnt cheat or use illegal tactics.... bar the low blow...
Clinching is perfectly legal, doesnt make for a pretty fight but its up to the opponent to do something about it... Wrestling and hugging are illegal but Hatton wasnt doing that
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:23
by J
boo hoo
r.hatotn ibf linear champ of the world.
division ranked number one!

you see nothing you can say mr lirva can bother me, i was there, it was an amazing night and an amazing fight and NOTHING you can ever say can take that away.
thats why i have a big smile on my face writing this.
ill chriesh that memory of a british sporting legend coming to fruition, to the day i die.
you on the other hand just have a foul mouth and a bad attitude to look forward to.
good luck
excellent

Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:27
by knockout
search wrote:
People who aren't from ENGLAND dont rate him near number 1.
http://www.fightnews.com/rankings2.htm
Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:30
by J
haha thois blokes so funny.
you gotta love all this cos its undeniable to witter fans even though they try, that hatton is miles ahead in the world scene now.
all those things they said were wrong, but they dont have the class to back down.
ive said numerous times, id love junior to do well even though i prefer hatotn as a persona and a fighter.
i still want junior to do well.
these classless morons cant comprehend this and are still banging on about hatotn this and that.
fornicate me get over it, you dont have a leg to stand on.
jeez that feels good saiyng that

Posted: 16 Jun 2005, 07:41
by J
lol im too stupid.
and the guy brings up a fighter whose own trainer pulled him out of the fight with hatton in V. Harris,
(manny steward just in case you werent aware)
great example einstein you really know your stuff.
also i am im the one who resorts to witty commets such as "you queer"
really i cant be bothered to waste my breath anymore.
please go elsewhere and put ither people straight lirva you are boring me again.
you paid up yet?