Corrales!! NOOOO!! Ricky Hatton V Junior Witter please

rook · Post by **rook** » 09 Jun 2005, 15:08

WHY OH WHY CAN'T THIS FIGHT HAPPEN!!!

After Hatton dismantling Zoo there's no chance of this going ahead anytime soon.

Just think what this fight could do for British Boxing! Bang, stick it on ITV , build it up (as if it needs any) and you've got a captive audience again! Hell forget the Zab business the Yanks would lap this up no problem!

Some of you guys who know sh*t-loads more than me are clamouring for Ricky to take on a tune up fight or 2 before Corrales (a Lightweight! although a very good one at that).. That's a case of Frankalledgitis if ever I saw one!

Ok so people have been arguing Witter doesn't deserve his shot.. and yeah, no, maybe he doesn't.
But I don't see how Ricky deserved his shot at Zoo above the like of Gatti, Harris, Cotto etc!! AND SO FU*KING WHAT!! Jr's got knockout power and it makes for an exciting fight - more so than Corrales for me!

The only difference is that Corrales brings cash to the table and gives Ricky more stateside exposure.. but now we are back in the big-time (referring to British Boxing) why can't we demand this bad boy!!

I suppose the point of this thread is to ask why can't we demand this fight instead? We are the paying public, they won't be any shortage of buyers - especially now..

Ricky V Junior.. just imagine..

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 09 Jun 2005, 15:22

We can't demand it because we will watch pretty much anyone that gets put in front of Hatton, so why should Frank want to make the fight with Witter? Let's be honest, Junior is far too risky a fight for any sensible manager to pitch in with their star attraction, and if it was going to happen it would have happened years ago. The only way the fight will ever happen now is if Junior acquires a Big 3 title some other way first.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 09 Jun 2005, 15:56

I can't believe the luke warm reception towards the proposed Hatton-Corrales, for once Frank seems to be getting it right, it would be a great fight. Don't get me wrong i want to see Witter in with Hatton as well but Corrales-Hatton would be a war!!

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 09 Jun 2005, 16:05

steve689 wrote:I can't believe the luke warm reception towards the proposed Hatton-Corrales, for once Frank seems to be getting it right, it would be a great fight. Don't get me wrong i want to see Witter in with Hatton as well but Corrales-Hatton would be a war!!

Agreed. Prior to the Tszyu win we'd have all been wetting our pants at the thought of Hatton facing Diego Corrales. Now all of a sudden if it's not Floyd Mayweather or Oscar de la Hoya we are turning our noses up.

rook · Post by **rook** » 09 Jun 2005, 16:09

steve689 wrote:I can't believe the luke warm reception towards the proposed Hatton-Corrales, for once Frank seems to be getting it right, it would be a great fight. Don't get me wrong i want to see Witter in with Hatton as well but Corrales-Hatton would be a war!!

With all due respect I don't Warren could do much wrong with his Hatton match-making now!

Don't get me wrong it's not a lukewarm reception, I know that Corrales Hatton would be the biggest UK fight since the Eubank-Benn days (Tzysu apart).. however why not cash in on the popularity with a real UK MEGAFIGHT!!!

Damn I would cream my pants at the thought of those 2 going head to head!!

Instead we just a Mexican/USA pound for pounder

Chopping Right · Post by **Chopping Right** » 09 Jun 2005, 16:24

rook wrote:.. however why not cash in on the popularity with a real UK MEGAFIGHT!!!

I think you know why not.

bugs · Post by **bugs** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:00

Surely there is much more money in a Mayweather/Gatti/Cotto/Corrales and many more than Witter who is only really known by the boxing affecionados rather than the public. And it woul dbe harder to sell that fight in the US.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:10

bugs wrote:Surely there is much more money in a Mayweather/Gatti/Cotto/Corrales and many more than Witter who is only really known by the boxing affecionados rather than the public. And it woul dbe harder to sell that fight in the US.

Those are all HBO guys so those fights aren't happening anyway.

E · Post by E » 09 Jun 2005, 17:14

Corrales - Hatton is the perfect fight for now - a US recognition-building, profile-raising, but relatively low risk fight fight...

Perfect to set up a bigger fight down the line. If I was Ricky's promoter/manager THIS would be the fight I would try to make...

rook · Post by **rook** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:29

Corrales - Hatton is the perfect fight for now - a US recognition-building, profile-raising, but relatively low risk fight fight...

Perfect to set up a bigger fight down the line. If I was Ricky's promoter/manager THIS would be the fight I would try to make...

Agreed!
BUT you're not Ricky promoter!...
SO... would you rather see Hatton Witter or Hatton Corrales? Purely from a Boxing fan's perspective? Let me ask you that

bigynzing · Post by **bigynzing** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:30

E wrote:Corrales - Hatton is the perfect fight for now - a US recognition-building, profile-raising, but relatively low risk fight fight...

Perfect to set up a bigger fight down the line. If I was Ricky's promoter/manager THIS would be the fight I would try to make...

I dont see this fight as low risk...Ok..the guys moving up....but Corrales has shorter punches than Kotsya so if Hatton tries to keep inside most the fight(he will)..he might be walking into a shit load of hell...although when you look diego has been floored a few times.....another 50/50 fight to me chaps.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 17:57

I'm sorry but i'd have to slightly favour Corrales over Hatton, Chico is the better boxer and if this fight did happen he wouldn't let Hatton smother him like he did with zoo. He would be much more active.

I'd definetly prefer to see Hatton v Corrales within the next year than any other top 10 ranked.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Jun 2005, 18:21

I disagree Lvlarc.

Who has Corrales "outboxed".

He was losing vs Freitas

He was losing vs Castillo

He was outclassed vs Mayweather

He was getting outclassed in the first fight with Casamayor.

Okay, his best "boxing" performance came in the rematch vs Casamayor but I still think it was more of a case of Casamayor using bad tactics as opposed to Corrales being a better boxer than Jose.

Kostya is a much better "boxer" than Corrales, remember the Tackie masterclass.

I'm not questioning Corrales' fighting spirit or his heart, but I do see him as a little overated and a tad fortunate in his career. I'd still favour any of the fighters mentioned above in a rematch.

split_decision · Post by **split_decision** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:02

This is a perfect fight for Ricky. He's a big name fighter, it's big money and big exposure worldwide, and Zero Risk. The world is Ricky and Franks oyster now. Imagine Hatton vs Morales, Barrera, Vasquez, Chi, Pac, Larios or Arce. Mouthwatering.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:10

He was behind by 1 point against Freitas and then blew him away in the mid-later rounds. And as for castillo well he showed masterclass of heart, determination and courage.

Ok he wasn't his best against FMJ but I still think theres a good chance that he could beat hatton.

When I say Chico is the better boxer I do not mean just outside, he is the better boxer inside and that would be his tactic to win this fight.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:15

rook wrote:But I don't see how Ricky deserved his shot at Zoo above the like of Gatti, Harris, Cotto etc!!

Wasn't Hatton the IBF number one contender? Being the number one contender usually means you deserve your title shot.

split_decision · Post by **split_decision** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:23

jeej wrote:
rook wrote:But I don't see how Ricky deserved his shot at Zoo above the like of Gatti, Harris, Cotto etc!!
Wasn't Hatton the IBF number one contender? Being the number one contender usually means you deserve your title shot.

yep, and check out the dude he beat in #1 contender elimination match
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=015710

ranked at a lofty 42 in the world (and he was in the same position last october only now he's #42 at welterweight not jr)

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:25

Imagine if this event did come off tho, Hatton V Corrales, Calzaghe V Lacy, in the millenium stadium with over 60,000 people crammed in. Shit it would be the biggest event Britain has ever held!!!

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:27

split_decision wrote:
jeej wrote:
rook wrote:But I don't see how Ricky deserved his shot at Zoo above the like of Gatti, Harris, Cotto etc!!
Wasn't Hatton the IBF number one contender? Being the number one contender usually means you deserve your title shot.
yep, and check out the dude he beat in #1 contender elimination match
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=015710

ranked at a lofty 42 in the world (and he was in the same position last october only now he's #42 at welterweight not jr)

Oh the irony, his alias is NO JOKE.

states · Post by **states** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:32

lvlarc_uk wrote:Imagine if this event did come off tho, Hatton V Corrales, Calzaghe V Lacy, in the millenium stadium with over 60,000 people crammed in. Shit it would be the biggest event Britain has ever held!!!

I'm sure there must have been bigger. Weren't there some truly huge events held at White City?

As for the Millenium stadium.... I can't see it. City of Manchester, I'd have no doubts: Hatton is the draw, the one guy who can fill a stadium, so surely SN would use a Manchester venue?

What's the deal with hosting boxing at a footy/rugby stadium anyway? Your capacity for boxing can't be anywhere near the usual, I wouldn't have thought. I can't see the upper tiers (where most major stadia gain those extra 15/20 thousand) being much help.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:37

Why have a sellout of 22,000 when u can have a sellout of over 60,000?

I'm sure there would be thousands of americans happy to travel over the pond to see these fights.

I dont think there has been a bigger boxing event than this, maybe when Jock McAvoy fought Len Harvey, but that event didnt have the quality undercard to go with it :P

Let's hope it does happen

states · Post by **states** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:49

I'm not arguing mate. But I wasn't talking about the MEN, I was talking about Man City's ground. Comfortably more than 22,000, I think you'll agree.

I'm just dubious about the figures being bandied around, vis a vis stadium capacity: You have to reconfigure a fair bit to put boxing on in a football stadium, you can't just go off the usual capacity.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 19:58

yep, but usuall capacity is 72.000 :)

states · Post by **states** » 09 Jun 2005, 20:02

lvlarc_uk wrote:yep, but usuall capacity is 72.000 :)

Yeah, but how much of that seating is going to be unusable? I'm just wondering here, I'm thinking that whilst the C.O.M. is smaller, you'd be wasting less, and the overall capacity for a fight wouldn't be that far apart.

Mind you, I've just remembered that you can close the roof in Cardiff. Big advantage.

Incidentally, what was the last stadium fight on these shores? I'm guessing Benn-Eubank.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 09 Jun 2005, 20:11

Yep think Benn - Eubank was the last fight in stadium.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/4071620.stm

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