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Posted: 19 Nov 2005, 14:53
by RazorKO
BoxBuzz wrote:Razor you think you got the blues, Everyday I get up I get reminded that Floyd Patterson handed Archie Moore his ass. This is far more burden than what you have to put up with. Count your blessings.
Archie Moore has always been a favourite of mine, but I also like Patterson due to his humble attitude so both fighters are one of my favourtie fighters
Posted: 19 Nov 2005, 14:56
by RazorKO
Broncano wrote:RazorKO wrote:
As for the Page fight, Coetzee as I already stated was beating the living SHIT out of Page and if you didnt see that than you must be blind. Page also commited fouls like rushing Coetzee before the bell had started and punching Coetzee WAY after the bell around round 6. Coetzee was ko'ed when he should of been in his corner, but if he was Europian/British he would of got a rematch or the fight ruled a NC.
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They must have produced two versions of the fight, kind of like when they shoot two alternate endings in the movies.
Well,
in the Page-Coetzee version that I have the South African was clearly behind, because he somehow thought he could fight Page without a jab and on the basis of wild right hand swings. Most of those right hands he desperately threw were badly telegraphed and easily avoided by Page.
He did fight with courage, specially after being down in round 7 and for a short while in round 8 it looked as if he might be able to come back, but Page's combos proved too much for him in the end.
The timekeeper blew it and I agree that Coetzee should have been offered a rematch for that mishap, but in the end what counts is historical fact... and that happens to be (again in the film version
that I have ) that Gerrie was sent flat on his back and remained there long after he was counted out.
I agree that Coetzee neglected to his jab but in my view he was winning he landed the cleaner, harder blows and Page was fighting dirty. He was floored in the 7th, but Coetzee got up to nearly stop Page and the bell saved Page - but the knockdown means 10 - 8 so Gerrie lost it. In the 8th he was again winning and he was comming back but a mistimed round cost him his title when Page knocked out Coetzee with a left hook.
I still believe that Weaver - Coetzee fight took a lot out of both fighters as it was by far the most brutal heavyweight title fight of the decade.
Posted: 20 Nov 2005, 09:28
by KOJOE90
RazorKO wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:Razor you think you got the blues, Everyday I get up I get reminded that Floyd Patterson handed Archie Moore his ass. This is far more burden than what you have to put up with. Count your blessings.
Archie Moore has always been a favourite of mine, but I also like Patterson due to his humble attitude so both fighters are one of my favourtie fighters
Didn't Patterson train/co-train Ruddock for a while?
Posted: 20 Nov 2005, 13:37
by RazorKO
KOJOE90 wrote:RazorKO wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:Razor you think you got the blues, Everyday I get up I get reminded that Floyd Patterson handed Archie Moore his ass. This is far more burden than what you have to put up with. Count your blessings.
Archie Moore has always been a favourite of mine, but I also like Patterson due to his humble attitude so both fighters are one of my favourtie fighters
Didn't Patterson train/co-train Ruddock for a while?
Patterson was Ruddock's trainer in the Greg Page, Phil Jackson and Lennox Lewis fights I think. Patterson said before the Page fight about Ruddock that he hadnt seen determination on any fighter since Marciano. Thats high praise comming from someone like Patterson.
I always say this about Patterson that if he fought at crusierweight he would of been the greatest crusierweight of all time. But back then cruserweight wasnt around.