Gerrie Coetzee

Tycoon2002 · Post by **Tycoon2002** » 22 Jun 2005, 18:50

How good was Gerrie Coetze and when he became champ in 83?

I thought Coetzee was a very good fighter and possesed one of the hardest right hands even though his right hand kept breaking all the time. His fight with Tate he should of won, but as usual Coetzee ran out of gas and Tate swept the championship rounds. Coetzee also should of beaten Weaver and had him in serious trouble through out the fight (especially in round 8) but as always Coetzee ran out of gas and Weaver fought back stopping a tiring Coetzee in the 13th.

Coetzee was definetly robbed in the Snipes fight knocking down Snipes twice, but then Coetzee is declared the loser which I think is one of the worst decisions ive ever seen. His fight with Thomas he also should of won and he impressed people so much that he got the title shot against Dokes.

Coetzee in the Dokes fight showed talent i didnt see in him, in the Weaver and Tate fights he was just a one dimensional fighter trying to land the right hand but in the Dokes fight he showed a good jab, good hook and movement and he timed his right hand instead of just winging like he usually did. He ko'ed Dokes with 2 straight right hands which hurt him more than it Dokes as Gerrie broke his hand when he ko'ED HIM.

In the Page fight, Page fought dirty hitting Coetzee after the bell and knocking him down. In the 6th Coetzee was floored but he was comming back in the 7th/8th rounds and it looked as though Coetzee was comming back from the brink of destruction to win, but Page knocked out Coetzee with a hook where Gerrie should of been in the corner being attended to by his seconds. The round was mistimed and it went longer than it should, but Page kept the title anyway despite the protests from the Coetzee camo

Coetzee came back with a points win over Tilis but was breifly hopistalised after the bout. He then challenged Bruno for the WBA title eliminator but Gerrie didnt hardly train for the fight and it showed. Bruno took out Coetzee in 1 round where on paper, Coetzee was the better fighter as he had been in with the best and beaten the best.

There is my rough description of Coetzees career and Gerrie was unlucky on some of the decisions he was in, but overall Coetzee was a good fighter with one of the hardest right hands in the business.

Jukejar · Post by **Jukejar** » 24 Jun 2005, 16:17

Some thoughts on Gerrie Coetzee: a good but not great boxer; excellent power in his right hand but overall was a good but not great puncher; .gave Leon Spinks his first real beating as a professional; beat some good fighters, lost to some good fighters. Probably deserved to be in the top ten during his peak but was never THE man in the heavyweight division. Could concievably be ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of the 1980s.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 19 Jul 2005, 05:48

I love the way you have an excuse for every Coetzee loss. What is the source of your info stating "Coetzee didnt really train for Bruno". Wha???

Coetzee didnt train for a world title eliminator because he got KOd in 1 rd is your logic. Bruno was a big puncher & he walked right over an in shape Coetzee, get over it.

As for your contrived controversy over the Greg Page fight, Page was beating Coetzee up all night. He knocked him down three times and this "tiring" by Page and "come back" Coetzee was supposedly making never happened. Coetzee was dead on his feet by the 7th rd, trying to look for a way out & Greg Page helped him with a mis-timed rd by sending him into oblivion.

Even if the rd had lasted only 3 mins Coetzee would have been knocked dead in the 9th, no later than the 10th. Face it Page was way too much in every department for Coetyzee & even laughed off his punch power in the post fight interview before getting a big cheer from the white South African crowd.

barry · Post by **barry** » 19 Jul 2005, 06:08

Best I can remember John Tate handled Cotzee pretty easy and did a number on him, but it's been a long time! I think the "Bionic Right" had more myth than actual fact behind it. No doubt he punched well, but the brutal, bone-crunching shot that it was percieved by a few to be was just a lot of hoopla!

Tycoon2002 · Post by **Tycoon2002** » 20 Jul 2005, 11:30

overhand_right wrote:I love the way you have an excuse for every Coetzee loss. What is the source of your info stating "Coetzee didnt really train for Bruno". Wha???

Coetzee didnt train for a world title eliminator because he got KOd in 1 rd is your logic. Bruno was a big puncher & he walked right over an in shape Coetzee, get over it.

As for your contrived controversy over the Greg Page fight, Page was beating Coetzee up all night. He knocked him down three times and this "tiring" by Page and "come back" Coetzee was supposedly making never happened. Coetzee was dead on his feet by the 7th rd, trying to look for a way out & Greg Page helped him with a mis-timed rd by sending him into oblivion.

Even if the rd had lasted only 3 mins Coetzee would have been knocked dead in the 9th, no later than the 10th. Face it Page was way too much in every department for Coetyzee & even laughed off his punch power in the post fight interview before getting a big cheer from the white South African crowd.

Page knocked down Coetzee when Gerrie had his back turned. Disgraceful move from Page. Page then knocked down Coetzee after the bell rung in round 5, another disgraceful move. Coeztee was floored once legimetly and Coetzee was comming back in the fight until Page knocked him out when Coetzee should be attended by his seconds. Where did I say Page was tiring? Next time read what I say before you shoot your garbage mouth off.

And yes coetzee WAS out of shape for Bruno. At Coetezee's best he was around 219. He weighed in for Bruno at 233. Even the British press thought Coetzee was in London for a holiday as he looked fat and bloated and was spending too much time in oxford street with his family instead of training and preparing for Bruno.

witherspoon · Post by **witherspoon** » 20 Jul 2005, 15:07

overhand_right wrote:I love the way you have an excuse for every Coetzee loss. What is the source of your info stating "Coetzee didnt really train for Bruno". Wha???

This is one excuse i can accept. Look what Bruno did after beating coetzee? He struggled to be barely credible every time he faced decent opposition. His display against Witherspoon is due to spoons lack of discipline. He gave Lewis hell, but that counts against Lewis, not for Bruno, IMO.
Look, , put Coetzee in Bruno's place for all of Bruno's fights post Coetzee. In every case, Coetzee does better.
Simply put, Coetzee world class, Bruno is a hyped up, mediocre barely contender.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 06 Nov 2005, 07:37

overhand_right wrote:I love the way you have an excuse for every Coetzee loss. What is the source of your info stating "Coetzee didnt really train for Bruno". Wha???

Coetzee didnt train for a world title eliminator because he got KOd in 1 rd is your logic. Bruno was a big puncher & he walked right over an in shape Coetzee, get over it.

As for your contrived controversy over the Greg Page fight, Page was beating Coetzee up all night. He knocked him down three times and this "tiring" by Page and "come back" Coetzee was supposedly making never happened. Coetzee was dead on his feet by the 7th rd, trying to look for a way out & Greg Page helped him with a mis-timed rd by sending him into oblivion.

Even if the rd had lasted only 3 mins Coetzee would have been knocked dead in the 9th, no later than the 10th. Face it Page was way too much in every department for Coetyzee & even laughed off his punch power in the post fight interview before getting a big cheer from the white South African crowd.

Fool, Page was NOT beating Coetzee up all night, Page tried to punch Coetzee when the bell hadnt gone for round 2, he then hit Coetzee after the bell in about round 6 and Coetzee fell on 1 knee, he then pushed Gerrie down in the next round but Coetzee like through out the fight was beating the living shit out of him AND WAS BEATING PAGE ALL AROUND THE ROUND he was NOT looking for a way out as you claim and even in the round where he was knocked out he was winning. Page floored Coetzee when Gerrie shouldnt of been in the ring as the round went 3:50, thats 50 seconds over the usual round limit. If the the round was 3 minutes, Gerrie would be able to come back like he done so manytimes and would of knocked out Page.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 10 Nov 2005, 07:08

WHA??

My eyes must be playing up. How anyone can watch the Page/Coetzee & say Coetzee was beating Page up?

Is it Pages fault the round over ran? Lacky Schwartz had been having trouble with the timing system all night. The commentators never evn noticed the round was over running until AFTER the kayo.

You boys can cry all you want. The bottom line is that Greg Page KNOCKED COETZEE CLEAN OUT, laughed at Coetzee in the post fight interview and said he couldnt punch, then climbed onto the ring ropes and got a big cheers from Coetzees own white crowd. LOL!!

PS I love this educated comment: "Gerrie would be able to come back like he done so manytimes and would of knocked out Page"

Please, pleeeeease name the fights where Gerrie 'came back'? When he faded down the stretch & was outclassed by John Tate? When he faded down the stretch & was KNOCKED OUT by Mike Weaver? When he faded down the stretch & was held to a draw by Pinklon Thomas? When he faded down the stretch & blew a decision over Renaldo Snipes? When he faded down the stretch & was KNOCKED OUT by Greg Page? LOL!!

The only time Coetzee was strong at the end was when he knocked out a drug addicted Michael Dokes where Gerrie was on top all night & under no pressure. The man NEVER scored any kind of come-from-behind-KO any anyone who disagrees name the specific fight.

Cap · Post by **Cap** » 10 Nov 2005, 12:45

I remember the fight with John Tate. It was in an open ring and it rained. Coetzee started slipping, but Tate had better shoes or something. Coetzee caught Tate at one point with a hard right, but slipped in the water when he tried to follow up. I think that was his best chance at scoring a KO.

Cap

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 10 Nov 2005, 17:10

overhand_right wrote:WHA??

My eyes must be playing up. How anyone can watch the Page/Coetzee & say Coetzee was beating Page up?

Is it Pages fault the round over ran? Lacky Schwartz had been having trouble with the timing system all night. The commentators never evn noticed the round was over running until AFTER the kayo.

You boys can cry all you want. The bottom line is that Greg Page KNOCKED COETZEE CLEAN OUT, laughed at Coetzee in the post fight interview and said he couldnt punch, then climbed onto the ring ropes and got a big cheers from Coetzees own white crowd. LOL!!

PS I love this educated comment: "Gerrie would be able to come back like he done so manytimes and would of knocked out Page"

Please, pleeeeease name the fights where Gerrie 'came back'? When he faded down the stretch & was outclassed by John Tate? When he faded down the stretch & was KNOCKED OUT by Mike Weaver? When he faded down the stretch & was held to a draw by Pinklon Thomas? When he faded down the stretch & blew a decision over Renaldo Snipes? When he faded down the stretch & was KNOCKED OUT by Greg Page? LOL!!

The only time Coetzee was strong at the end was when he knocked out a drug addicted Michael Dokes where Gerrie was on top all night & under no pressure. The man NEVER scored any kind of come-from-behind-KO any anyone who disagrees name the specific fight.

Blew the decision to Snipes? COETZEE KNOCKED DOWN THE KID TWICE! in rounds 1 - 5 Snipes was in survival mode and was floored heavily in the first and 5th. Even then in the last 5 rounds Coetzee won at least 3 of those last 5 which would of made him a 8 - 2 winner but was robbed completly. Even Snipes hometown fans were throwing garbage in the ring and most of them were black and Coetzee is man from South Africa for hells sake.

Worst. Decision. EVER.

As for Weaver, no man alive could of taken his punches Coetzee was taking, he was taking absolutle flush shots from Weaver and never stepped back, he only was TKO'ed cause he was utterly exhastaued I.E Foreman - Ali

Btw since when Dokes was drugged during the Coetzee fight... yea Dokes was druged.. he was drugged as he was sleeping in the ring coertsey from Gerries bionic hand.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 11 Nov 2005, 10:51

Exactly as i suspected... you have no comeback.

You still cant name a fight where Gerrie rallied & scored a come from behind KO. As for 'no man alive' could take the shots Gerrie was taking... Quick Tillis did it pretty easily in Weavers next fight. Michael Dokes took his blows for 15 rds. Pinklon Thomas never budged. How about Scott LeDoux & Larry Holmes. Weaver could bang but he didnt score a knockdown over any of these men. He ICED Coetzee for the FULL COUNT.

Hehe

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 11 Nov 2005, 11:07

In his prime, Coetzee always looked lethal for about the first 5 rounds. After that he tended to fade badly.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 11 Nov 2005, 11:29

overhand_right wrote:Exactly as i suspected... you have no comeback.

You still cant name a fight where Gerrie rallied & scored a come from behind KO. As for 'no man alive' could take the shots Gerrie was taking... Quick Tillis did it pretty easily in Weavers next fight. Michael Dokes took his blows for 15 rds. Pinklon Thomas never budged. How about Scott LeDoux & Larry Holmes. Weaver could bang but he didnt score a knockdown over any of these men. He ICED Coetzee for the FULL COUNT.

Hehe

FOOL!

Thomas was out on his feet in round 3 and nearly knocked out. Tillis just ran which made Dundee furious and kept slapping Tillis to make him fight, Dokes - Weaver II was a clinch fest and Coetzee got up when the ref said 8 but stopped the fight. Coetzee's stamina hurt him more than Weavers punches.

As for the come back - Coetzee came back from getting cut to BEAT pinklon Thomas, yes you read it right.

Coetzee even though he knocked Snipes down twice, he lost about 2 rounds after as Snipes nailed him with a haymaker which would of ko'ed or knocked down anyone (Look at Holmes fight) but yet Coetzee came back and beat him on decision.

If your boy Bruno would of faced a 1980 - 83 Coetzee he would of been outclassed and knocked out.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 11 Nov 2005, 11:44

'He gave Lewis hell, but that counts against Lewis, not for Bruno, IMO.'

You having laugh? You are talking about a boxer who is in most people's top 10 heavies against someone who wouldn't make most people's top 10 British heavies. Bruno was boxing well, and thats it. Like against Smith and Witherspoon he was doing well but got caught. He had no endurance. In the later rounds he always faded. Coetzee was old and out of shape when he fought Bruno. He would have bashed in in his prime.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 11 Nov 2005, 14:39

RazorKO wrote:Dokes - Weaver II was a clinch fest.

I quite enjoyed that fight actually.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 12 Nov 2005, 21:27

barry wrote:Best I can remember John Tate handled Cotzee pretty easy and did a number on him, but it's been a long time! I think the "Bionic Right" had more myth than actual fact behind it. No doubt he punched well, but the brutal, bone-crunching shot that it was percieved by a few to be was just a lot of hoopla!

Terry Lawless said to Bruno before he fought Coetzee 'Frank, Gerrie may be past his prime but you have to treat him with tremendous respect, he is the second hardest puncher only to Earnie Shavers iin the last 15 years'. And Lawless is a top British trainer/manager who have trained many good fighters i.e Jim Watt etc

If you want to see Gerries power go watch the Snipes fight where he floores him twice, I think they were the only times Snipes has been on the canvas. Also watch that massive haymaker right he landed on Weaver (The loudest puncher ive ever heard) in round 8 which even though it didnt floor Weaver.....he just did the rope a dope as he was so stunned. Gerrie, like Ruddock started off as a boxer but when they realised they could punch they started to turn their styles around so Ruddocks and Coetzee KAYO ratio is low compared to someone like Foreman Tyson or Shavers.

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 13 Nov 2005, 17:03

Good fighter, probably should've had more cracks at some of the other heavies around (i.e Witherspoon, Carl Williams). Probably may have given Holmes a good fight at some point.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 13 Nov 2005, 17:19

u overate gerrys power, nothing special.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2005, 07:45

Arsenal wrote:
Coetzee was old and out of shape when he fought Bruno. He would have bashed in in his prime.

He was THIRTY years old.

Yeah, he was ancient!! LOL!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2005, 07:48

RazorKO wrote:
Terry Lawless said to Bruno before he fought Coetzee 'Frank, Gerrie may be past his prime but you have to treat him with tremendous respect, he is the second hardest puncher only to Earnie Shavers iin the last 15 years'. And Lawless is a top British trainer/manager who have trained many good fighters i.e Jim Watt etc
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The source of this quote is Brunos book 'from zero to hero'.

The quote is correct EXCEPT for the major and credibility-killing fact that you added the "he may be past his prime" line YOURSELF. He never said that & you know it. When you start lying, you start sounding like a desperate man clutching at straws. Try again lol!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2005, 07:50

RazorKO wrote:
If you want to see Gerries power go watch the Snipes fight where he floores him twice, I think they were the only times Snipes has been on the canvas. .

Snipes was down against Ricky Parkey, Dennis Fykes, Mel Epps (2nd fight), Orlin Norris, Tyrell Biggs, Garing Lane etc...

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 14 Nov 2005, 13:51

overhand_right wrote:
RazorKO wrote:
Terry Lawless said to Bruno before he fought Coetzee 'Frank, Gerrie may be past his prime but you have to treat him with tremendous respect, he is the second hardest puncher only to Earnie Shavers iin the last 15 years'. And Lawless is a top British trainer/manager who have trained many good fighters i.e Jim Watt etc
.
The source of this quote is Brunos book 'from zero to hero'.

The quote is correct EXCEPT for the major and credibility-killing fact that you added the "he may be past his prime" line YOURSELF. He never said that & you know it. When you start lying, you start sounding like a desperate man clutching at straws. Try again lol!

I got that from Terry Lawless in the build up of Witherspoon - Bruno when he was talking about his past fights. Bruno is a load of British hype and a mediocre contender - get used to it.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 14 Nov 2005, 15:05

overhand_right wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Coetzee was old and out of shape when he fought Bruno. He would have bashed in in his prime.

He was THIRTY years old.

Yeah, he was ancient!! LOL!

You telling me he wasn't an old 30? When he was fighting 30 was old for a boxer, unlike nowadays and modern training regimes etc which extend a boxers life in the ring. Look at when people turn pro now compared to back then and how many fights they have etc. A more educated reply would be better.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 15 Nov 2005, 09:55

Hows this for an 'educated reply'.

6 years after Coetzee was iced, Coetzees contempories Dokes, Witherspoon, Tubbs, Bonecrusher, and Bruno were all ranked in the top 10. Mike Weaver and Greg Page were lingering outside the top 10 and fighting top 10 ranked opponents. All were in their mid 30s, except Weaver who was 40!!

A DECADE after Coetzee was bombed out by Bruno, Bruno was the heavyweight champion, Tim Witherspoon was ranked in the top 10 & getting major fights on HBO, Larry Holmes & George Foreman, both from the era previous to Coetzee, were participating in heavyweight title fights, and both were a good FIFTEEN years or more older than Gerrie.

Gerrie showed no evidence of being shot or washed up in his 10 rd decision over Quick Tillis, the fight that sandwiches the Page & Bruno fights. Bruno achieved way more than Coetzee ever did, faced better opposition, won a more credible title, lasted way longer in the game. The icing on the cake was his easy 1 rd blow out of Gerrie, just to underline his superiority. Hehe

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 15 Nov 2005, 12:41

Coetzee showed evidence of being shot against TIllis when he was hospitalized and severly cut - Coetzee should of never fought after beating Tillis.

Foreman and Holmes 15 years older than Gerrie? Make that 5

Bruno achieved more than Coetzee? Everytime Bruno stepping up he was knocked out brutally - Save for the win over Mentally weak McCall - Even then Mccall gave him trouble. Bruno had the opporunity to challenge for the WBC, Coetzee never got the opportunity as the WBC did not recognize South Afrcia during the aparthied so he had no choice but to go for the WBA title and he beat opponents like Thomas, Renaldo Snipes but was robbed because the American media did not sympathise with South Africans. So thats your pathetic point sorted.

And you should know fighters age differently, Coetzee was past it at 29/30. Wilfed Benitiz was past it at TWENTY FOUR.

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