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There is the same kind of evidence that says he used Ripping Fuel as that which say it was steroids, but as I have asked silkov, who is completely unable...how aboutpresenting the evidence to us?

As I have said...I have never seen any actual evidence and if it was true...as much money as that kind of scandal would bring to newspapers, mags and everything else...something of that nature would not be kept quite...it would have been more so out there than all the press that James Toney, or any other name sports star gets...it would have been on every sports show, in every major newspaper and every major sports magazine...yet the only evidence any of us has seen is two claims...which have no evidence to back them!

Hell, I would love to see the evidence and if it can be proven that he did use steroids then I will gladly talk about, but all I have heard so far is just the typical bullshit and yapping without substance...prove it to be fact and then maybe we'll have something to talk about, but right now...it's nothing but nonsense!

As to Vitali...I read that it was needles and lots of them!

Well, whenever one of you two cats can bring out any actual evidence about Jones, instead of the typical bullshit that you usually do...then don't hold your breath for me to present anything...but unlike the claims that you and silky have made toward Jones...everyone knows that Vitali was a steroid monster and everyone knows that it was fact...even you and silky...whether it was needles, or not, but being that powdered steroids were not available during the years when Vitali was using...then needles would be the only option...though I've read it several times that it was needles, but that's a pretty much common sense thing considering the time when he was using it!

As I stated...present some evidence...can you? I don't think you can...and furthermore...I think you should read the article that you posted the link for....it proves absolutely nothing other than that Murin Muhammad had only spoke to Jacob Hall, Richard Hall's attorney about the alleged tests...hell, the IBF had no say so in the fight...it was under WBA rules and regulations...the IBF had no reason to even give any tests, which I doubt very serious they ever did...just like the lame, bullshit claims by you and Silky...the claim of Murin Muhammad in that one article is dick in terms of evidence...plus, lets not forget who we are dealing with here and who it is that you are putting your stock in...the IBF and some internet hack site...Sorry, but some internet article on some internet hack site is not evidence...it's no different than me saying it without any actual proof...other than the fact that I don't lie and the fact that the IBF and it's board members has not only been convicted and imprisoned for lying, but they are pretty well known for it...so the link you gave is about as accurate and honest as the Enquirer!

PM me when you have found some real evidence...these hack articles hold no weight whatsoever, but since you put so much faith in them then I have some land on Mars that I would like to sell...don't worry, I'll go on some internet hack site and do an interview saying that it is actual lands from Mars so then you will know that it has to be true!

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Back in 1998 Roy Jones said he was going to make the move to HW and fight with former HW champion James Buster Douglas. When he was gone, there was a match between Micheal Nunn and Graciano Rocchigiani for the vacant LHW title. Rocchigiani won the LHW title. Jones returns and says that he will not fight Douglas, and will campaign once again as a LHW.

Jones desided not to fight Douglas on the advise of his father, and announced this decision in end of January or very early February 1998.
For example, George Kimball wrote about this decision in The Boston Herald on February 7, 1998:

When Roy Jones, Jr. abandoned his fanciful dream of boxing as a heavyweight last week, nixing a guaranteed $7 million offer to fight the venerable James Douglas, it set dollar signs to dancing in the minds of a lot of light-heavyweights, among them William Guthrie, the 30-year-old IBF champion who defended against Reggie Johnson at the Mohegan Sun last night.

The fight between Rocchigiani and Nunn only was done on March 21, 1998, more than 1.5 months after Jones had abandoned the idea of fighting as heavyweight.

>>>Jones desided not to fight Douglas on the advise of his father, and announced this decision in end of January or very early February 1998.
For example, George Kimball wrote about this decision in The Boston Herald on February 7, 1998<<<


You see Silkov and Decagon...this is what I am talking about when I say present some actual evidence...which though one article, by itself, is not undeniable proof...it is a lot better and a lot more believable than just making up some bullshit claim and try to proclaim that it is true...when there is nothing to back it...you guys could learn a lot from Senya!

No...the fight was under the jurisdiction, rules and regulations of the WBA...the IBF had no dog in that fight...they just attached they're title to the bout, but they had nothing to do with the bout regulation-wise!!! And again...I say...look at who you are putting faith in...the corrupt IBF...sorry, but hack articles on the internet are the fartest thing from evidence that you can get...that article holds the exact same kind of weight that you do on the issue!

Piece of boxing history?

http://braggingrightscorner.com/evidence1a.jpg

Well what do say to that then Barry???... is that a figment of my imagination???.... I think you've just shown how unbiased you are on your last few posts here... frankly you're a disgrace and should hand in you moderatorship imo as you are plainly too biased and abusive to hold such a position... I'm actually surprised that this thread hasnt been deleated yet!...
Deleate all you want but it wont change the fact that you know and I know that your precious Jones is a roid freak!
Nice work lvlarc!

silkov wrote:Well what do say to that then Barry???... is that a figment of my imagination???.... I think you've just shown how unbiased you are on your last few posts here... frankly you're a disgrace and should hand in you moderatorship imo as you are plainly too biased and abusive to hold such a position... I'm actually surprised that this thread hasnt been deleated yet!...
Deleate all you want but it wont change the fact that you know and I know that your precious Jones is a roid freak!
Nice work lvlarc!

That letter means nothing. As far as I know the "B" sample was never tested and the IBF never did anything about it.


By the way, it is spelled "delete", dumbass. Get an education.

Silky---For starters...,it's funny that you dropped completely out of the thread when you could not prove anything back about 8, or 10 days ago and now you want to try to pretend like you found something...LOL!!!

All I have to say about that is IBF...the same IBF who's president was put in prison...the same IBF that has been a steady known org of corruption, but most importantly...an org that had nothing to do with the rules and regulations of the fight in question...most people who know even a little about boxing know that nothing the alphabet orgs say can be believed...why should it be any different in this instance...just because it fits your biased view...LOL...talk about a disgrace...you admittedly lick the nuts of a crooked fighter who admittedly cheated in Vitali, who never accomplished anything in the ring yet you try to damn such an all-time great fighter like Roy Jones...who not only won multiple championships, but will also be a first ballot Hall of Famer…all I can say is that it's a damn good thing that people like me do the voting for the things that matter with boxing history while people like you yap about how great some one-trick pony who cheated was...LOL!!!!

Oh...and for the record...I don't know what you are yapping about...you didn't have sense enough to find any documents, someone else had to look it up for you, when all any one had to do is go to the IBF website, but as I said, which every other solid historians agree with...nothing any of the ABC org's say can ever be trusted, especially the IBF...too bad you don't have sense enough to realize that...LOL!!!

Also...as I stated in the beginning...it's funny that you still nut-hug Vitali...who there is no doubt that he used steroids...yet you will damn Jones with no proof other than some bogus letter from one of the most corrupt orgs in the world and still you would go down on Vitali if given the chance...sad...sad, biased little man!

As to me being moderator...you have been whining and crying about it for years...ever since I handed you your ass a few years ago and here you are...yet again...whining and crying for the umpteenth time, but you can cry and whine and cry and yap about me being a moderator all you want...you have been doing it for years now...years...and guess what...not a thing has changed...but it is just like you to follow a loser like Vitali and other quitters...me, I'm pure winner...as you well know!!!

Hell…If I wasn’t a moderator you would be in therapy…right now I just half ass toy with you…if I really tried you would be whining and crying to everyone you come in contact with…oh, wait a minute…you already do that…LOL!!!!

No need to argue guys, I also believe The Ring published a few articles about Roy's steroid use.

barry wrote:Silky---All I have to say about that is IBF...the same IBF who's president was put in prison...the same IBF that has been a steady known org of corruption, but most importantly...an org that had nothing to do with the rules and regulations of the fight in question...most people who know even a little about boxing know that nothing the alphabet orgs say can be believed...why should it be any different in this instance...just because it fits your biased view...LOL...talk about a disgrace...you admittedly lick the nuts of a crooked fighter who admittedly cheated in Vitali, who never accomplished anything in the ring yet you try to damn such an all-time great fighter like Roy Jones...who not only won multiple championships, but will also be a first ballot Hall of Famer…all I can say is that it's a damn good thing that people like me do the voting for the things that matter with boxing history while people like you yap about how great some one-trick pony who cheated was...LOL!!!!

Oh...and for the record...I don't know what you are yapping about...you didn't have sense enough to find any documents, someone else had to look it up for you, when all any one had to do is go to the IBF website, but as I said, which every other solid historians agree with...nothing any of the ABC org's say can ever be trusted, especially the IBF...too bad you don't have sense enough to realize that...LOL!!!

Also...as I stated in the beginning...it's funny that you still nut-hug Vitali...who there is no doubt that he used steroids...yet you will damn Jones with no proof other than some bogus letter from one of the most corrupt orgs in the world and still you would go down on Vitali if given the chance...sad...sad, biased little man!

As to me being moderator...you have been whining and crying about it for years...ever since I handed you your ass a few years ago and here you are...yet again...whining and crying for the umpteenth time, but you can cry and whine and cry and yap about me being a moderator all you want...you have been doing it for years now...years...and guess what...not a thing has changed...but it is just like you to follow a loser like Vitali and other quitters...me, I'm pure winner...as you well know!!!

Hell…If I wasn’t a moderator you would be in therapy…right now I just half ass toy with you…if I really tried you would be whining and crying to everyone you come in contact with…oh, wait a minute…you already do that…LOL!!!!

LOL at the dumbass Russkie

That's what I would like to see...I've seen the IBF bullshit...I would like to see all the other info that has been claimed...I have most issues of Ring and had all of BI, or IBD up to around 2002 and I do not recall ever reading anything about Jones using steroids...other than a few writers who have been saying the exact same thing I have...that the IBF are as corrupt as any mob org ever was and the claim from the IBF has not been claimed by any one else, but what is even more valid is the WBA tests for the Hall fight as the fight was fought under the rules and regulations of the WBA...yet Jones never failed the tested with the WBA, or the WBC, or the IBA, or the IBC...in fact it only turned up in the IBF, which if they were not lying then judging from all the other negative tests then the IBF test was a false positive...that is if the IBF were even telling the truth, which I doubt, but I think the fact that Jones did not test positive in several other urine screens from the same time is better proof!

>>>I'm actually surprised that this thread hasnt been deleated yet!...<<<

You know the only threads that I have ever deleted...you know the ones that you begged me to delete so that people would not see what kind of prick you really are...those are the only threads of yours that I have deleted...and don't try to lie about it this time like it didn't happen...I still have all of the PMs you sent to me begging me to delete those threads...and now you want to whine and cry and lie about deleting...no...no...no...

Like I have told you many times in the past...the best thing you can do is shut up, move past me and get on with your life...I'm not going anywhere...I was here a long time before you ever were and I'll be here a long time after you're gone...so the best thing you can do is move on before I do get tired of you and if that happens you won't have a voice here!

barry wrote:Silky---For starters...,it's funny that you dropped completely out of the thread when you could not prove anything back about 8, or 10 days ago and now you want to try to pretend like you found something...LOL!!!

All I have to say about that is IBF...the same IBF who's president was put in prison...the same IBF that has been a steady known org of corruption, but most importantly...an org that had nothing to do with the rules and regulations of the fight in question...most people who know even a little about boxing know that nothing the alphabet orgs say can be believed...why should it be any different in this instance...just because it fits your biased view...LOL...talk about a disgrace...you admittedly lick the nuts of a crooked fighter who admittedly cheated in Vitali, who never accomplished anything in the ring yet you try to damn such an all-time great fighter like Roy Jones...who not only won multiple championships, but will also be a first ballot Hall of Famer…all I can say is that it's a damn good thing that people like me do the voting for the things that matter with boxing history while people like you yap about how great some one-trick pony who cheated was...LOL!!!!

Oh...and for the record...I don't know what you are yapping about...you didn't have sense enough to find any documents, someone else had to look it up for you, when all any one had to do is go to the IBF website, but as I said, which every other solid historians agree with...nothing any of the ABC org's say can ever be trusted, especially the IBF...too bad you don't have sense enough to realize that...LOL!!!

Also...as I stated in the beginning...it's funny that you still nut-hug Vitali...who there is no doubt that he used steroids...yet you will damn Jones with no proof other than some bogus letter from one of the most corrupt orgs in the world and still you would go down on Vitali if given the chance...sad...sad, biased little man!

As to me being moderator...you have been whining and crying about it for years...ever since I handed you your ass a few years ago and here you are...yet again...whining and crying for the umpteenth time, but you can cry and whine and cry and yap about me being a moderator all you want...you have been doing it for years now...years...and guess what...not a thing has changed...but it is just like you to follow a loser like Vitali and other quitters...me, I'm pure winner...as you well know!!!

Hell…If I wasn’t a moderator you would be in therapy…right now I just half ass toy with you…if I really tried you would be whining and crying to everyone you come in contact with…oh, wait a minute…you already do that…LOL!!!!

I dropped out of the thread because I have a life other than on here, unlike you it seems... I've got better things to do than just argue with you all the time.... you're just a bad loser Barry and its sad... you lost the Vitali thread (so you deleated it!) and you've lost this argument... Jones did fail a test like I said all along, the only one here with selective memory is you... as for whining you've been whining here about me for days while I havent even been saying anything back, all because you cant take the truth that Roy is a roid freak... well it is the truth so I suggest you go take a deep breath and try and get over it!....

barry wrote:>>>I'm actually surprised that this thread hasnt been deleated yet!...<<<

You know the only threads that I have ever deleted...you know the ones that you begged me to delete so that people would not see what kind of prick you really are...those are the only threads of yours that I have deleted...and don't try to lie about it this time like it didn't happen...I still have all of the PMs you sent to me begging me to delete those threads...and now you want to whine and cry and lie about deleting...no...no...no...

Like I have told you many times in the past...the best thing you can do is shut up, move past me and get on with your life...I'm not going anywhere...I was here a long time before you ever were and I'll be here a long time after you're gone...so the best thing you can do is move on before I do get tired of you and if that happens you won't have a voice here!

There you go, making up stuff again, ...I'm quite happy, I've been proved right. I wouldnt have made a big thing of it but you've been basically calling me a liar when I havent been saying anything to you... so how do you explain Jones test result now???...

silkov wrote:

barry wrote:Silky---For starters...,it's funny that you dropped completely out of the thread when you could not prove anything back about 8, or 10 days ago and now you want to try to pretend like you found something...LOL!!!

All I have to say about that is IBF...the same IBF who's president was put in prison...the same IBF that has been a steady known org of corruption, but most importantly...an org that had nothing to do with the rules and regulations of the fight in question...most people who know even a little about boxing know that nothing the alphabet orgs say can be believed...why should it be any different in this instance...just because it fits your biased view...LOL...talk about a disgrace...you admittedly lick the nuts of a crooked fighter who admittedly cheated in Vitali, who never accomplished anything in the ring yet you try to damn such an all-time great fighter like Roy Jones...who not only won multiple championships, but will also be a first ballot Hall of Famer…all I can say is that it's a damn good thing that people like me do the voting for the things that matter with boxing history while people like you yap about how great some one-trick pony who cheated was...LOL!!!!

Oh...and for the record...I don't know what you are yapping about...you didn't have sense enough to find any documents, someone else had to look it up for you, when all any one had to do is go to the IBF website, but as I said, which every other solid historians agree with...nothing any of the ABC org's say can ever be trusted, especially the IBF...too bad you don't have sense enough to realize that...LOL!!!

Also...as I stated in the beginning...it's funny that you still nut-hug Vitali...who there is no doubt that he used steroids...yet you will damn Jones with no proof other than some bogus letter from one of the most corrupt orgs in the world and still you would go down on Vitali if given the chance...sad...sad, biased little man!

As to me being moderator...you have been whining and crying about it for years...ever since I handed you your ass a few years ago and here you are...yet again...whining and crying for the umpteenth time, but you can cry and whine and cry and yap about me being a moderator all you want...you have been doing it for years now...years...and guess what...not a thing has changed...but it is just like you to follow a loser like Vitali and other quitters...me, I'm pure winner...as you well know!!!

Hell…If I wasn’t a moderator you would be in therapy…right now I just half ass toy with you…if I really tried you would be whining and crying to everyone you come in contact with…oh, wait a minute…you already do that…LOL!!!!

I dropped out of the thread because I have a life other than on here, unlike you it seems... I've got better things to do than just argue with you all the time.... you're just a bad loser Barry and its sad... you lost the Vitali thread (so you deleated it!) and you've lost this argument... Jones did fail a test like I said all along, the only one here with selective memory is you... as for whining you've been whining here about me for days while I havent even been saying anything back, all because you cant take the truth that Roy is a roid freak... well it is the truth so I suggest you go take a deep breath and try and get over it!....

Well, you shouldn't get over your lack of education. You really need to learn how to spell. I understand that you're lack of knowledge and education has been passed down in your family, but nevertheless...

Barry continually makes you look stupid (not hard), why not get over it?

Dumbass Russkie

Parm wrote:

silkov wrote:

barry wrote:Silky---For starters...,it's funny that you dropped completely out of the thread when you could not prove anything back about 8, or 10 days ago and now you want to try to pretend like you found something...LOL!!!

All I have to say about that is IBF...the same IBF who's president was put in prison...the same IBF that has been a steady known org of corruption, but most importantly...an org that had nothing to do with the rules and regulations of the fight in question...most people who know even a little about boxing know that nothing the alphabet orgs say can be believed...why should it be any different in this instance...just because it fits your biased view...LOL...talk about a disgrace...you admittedly lick the nuts of a crooked fighter who admittedly cheated in Vitali, who never accomplished anything in the ring yet you try to damn such an all-time great fighter like Roy Jones...who not only won multiple championships, but will also be a first ballot Hall of Famer…all I can say is that it's a damn good thing that people like me do the voting for the things that matter with boxing history while people like you yap about how great some one-trick pony who cheated was...LOL!!!!

Oh...and for the record...I don't know what you are yapping about...you didn't have sense enough to find any documents, someone else had to look it up for you, when all any one had to do is go to the IBF website, but as I said, which every other solid historians agree with...nothing any of the ABC org's say can ever be trusted, especially the IBF...too bad you don't have sense enough to realize that...LOL!!!

Also...as I stated in the beginning...it's funny that you still nut-hug Vitali...who there is no doubt that he used steroids...yet you will damn Jones with no proof other than some bogus letter from one of the most corrupt orgs in the world and still you would go down on Vitali if given the chance...sad...sad, biased little man!

As to me being moderator...you have been whining and crying about it for years...ever since I handed you your ass a few years ago and here you are...yet again...whining and crying for the umpteenth time, but you can cry and whine and cry and yap about me being a moderator all you want...you have been doing it for years now...years...and guess what...not a thing has changed...but it is just like you to follow a loser like Vitali and other quitters...me, I'm pure winner...as you well know!!!

Hell…If I wasn’t a moderator you would be in therapy…right now I just half ass toy with you…if I really tried you would be whining and crying to everyone you come in contact with…oh, wait a minute…you already do that…LOL!!!!

I dropped out of the thread because I have a life other than on here, unlike you it seems... I've got better things to do than just argue with you all the time.... you're just a bad loser Barry and its sad... you lost the Vitali thread (so you deleated it!) and you've lost this argument... Jones did fail a test like I said all along, the only one here with selective memory is you... as for whining you've been whining here about me for days while I havent even been saying anything back, all because you cant take the truth that Roy is a roid freak... well it is the truth so I suggest you go take a deep breath and try and get over it!....

Well, you shouldn't get over your lack of education. You really need to learn how to spell. I understand that you're lack of knowledge and education has been passed down in your family, but nevertheless...

Barry continually makes you look stupid (not hard), why not get over it?

Dumbass Russkie

Hmmm! you're not related to Barry by any chance are you Perm???. 8) ... I thought posting under multiple names was a no no!. :x :x :x ... go and take the rollers out of your hair...

As I stated above...why did Jones not test positive in the tests given by the sanctioning body, the WBA? And why did he not fail the tests given by the WBC...IBA and IBC?

The IBF test result, if they are not just flat out lying, is almost certainly a false positive, which occurs quite often with drug tests, and the fact that Jones did not test positive for any of the other orgs speaks a lot louder than the one claim by the IBF...wouldn't you people think, or are some of you just too biased to see through the nonsense and recognize what is fact from fiction?

barry wrote:As I stated above...why did Jones not test positive in the tests given by the sanctioning body, the WBA? And why did he not fail the tests given by the WBC...IBA and IBC?

The IBF test result, if they are not just flat out lying, is almost certainly a false positive, which occurs quite often with drug tests, and the fact that Jones did not test positive for any of the other orgs speaks a lot louder than the one claim by the IBF...wouldn't you people think, or are some of you just too biased to see through the nonsense and recognize what is fact from fiction?

No, you should know more than anyone that Silkov is just plain stupid. The only opinions he states here are ones without any proof whatsoever. This Russkie's just a clown. He needs an education, bad!

>>>No, you should know more than anyone that Silkov is just plain stupid.<<<

Well that's pretty clear...you didn't really even have to mention it!


>>>This Russkie's just a clown.<<<

Actually, I think he is British!

Every few months, or so he'll go into a whining routine and whine and cry about what a crappy moderator I am. It's neither here nor there!

It's funny though...I still have PMs that Silky has sent me praising my moderator skills, I guess the only time he is negative about it is when he is in whining mode and then I'm the worst moderator who ever lived...LOL!!!

It's the same old rant time and again though and there are several instances throughout the past three, or four years...he is the sorest kind of loser...LOL!!!!


Now back to the topic:

The debate is pretty much at it's end since no one can provide anything other than the one, very suspicious "IBF claim," which might actually be some pretty good evidence had the other ABC orgs not had negative tests for the exact same fight, which amounts to the one IBF positive against the WBC, WBA, IBA and IBC negatives...4-to-1...that's pretty obvious to most people...except those who hate being wrong!!!!

barry wrote:As I stated above...why did Jones not test positive in the tests given by the sanctioning body, the WBA? And why did he not fail the tests given by the WBC...IBA and IBC?

The IBF test result, if they are not just flat out lying, is almost certainly a false positive, which occurs quite often with drug tests, and the fact that Jones did not test positive for any of the other orgs speaks a lot louder than the one claim by the IBF...wouldn't you people think, or are some of you just too biased to see through the nonsense and recognize what is fact from fiction?

Back then the IBF took the lead since it was a multititle fight so it was sanctioned by the IBF, the other commissions didn't run any tests. The IBF kind of swept it under the carpet as the news wouldn't of benefitted them financially, and as you have said.. they were corrupt.

The proof is there for you to research. You can read about his steroid use in The Ring magazine of Jan 2004 issue.

The IBF did not take the lead...the IBF had no bone in the fight...It was under WBA rules and regulations and under WBA sanctions and as such the WBA was the lead org, which as I said...Jones did not fail the WBA urine screen. Read through the IBF rules…if they had been certain the test was accurate and true they not only would have withdrawn the IBF belt from the Hall fight, but they would have stripped Jones as well!

It's almost a certainty that the IBF result is a false positive, that is if it is not a flat out lie from the IBF…seem that the only two people who ever discussed it was Muhammad and Richard Hall’s attorney, which does that not seem suspicious to any one else? It sure as hell looks very suspicious to me, especially since none of the IBF’s rules were enforced! But as to a positive result, as I have stated it is not an uncommon occurrence for a false positive and take it from me...someone who has had a lot of experience with drugs tests as I have had many drugs tests over the years...everything from urine to blood to hair follicles to saliva…false positives happen very regularly…they happened to me on several occasions when I was on probation back in 1999, but the urine sent to a toxicologist for a complete breakdown show that the result was a false positive…which I am sure the IBF are aware of, so why did they not send the urine to a toxicologist for a complete breakdown?

Quit whining for christsake... he failed the test, if it was some kind of 'mistake' how come it was hushed up... how come Jones didnt seek to visibly clear his name...
Jeeze... the results are there for all to see and you're still trying to deny it Barry... 8)

LOL...The only bitch who is whining here is you...LOL.

All you are doing is yapping the same nonsense that really makes no sense...whats wrong...can you not answer any of the statements I made? Is that why you go into your little spoiled child routine instead of responding with something to back you're claim? You're little child-like rant reminds me of a bunch of first graders! Now do you have the ability to provide anything to back your claim, or are you just going to continue with the same lame tune about the IBF, which you didn't even find that...LOL!