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Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 06:43**

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote: You are spending WAY too much time on this forum if you think Hatton fighting Witter is some sort of big deal that people outside of this bizarre little world are desperate to see

I'm talking about people in and around British Boxing, at the time Hatton was negotiating his fights with anyone bar Witter (Juan & Paulie) it was repeatedly being brought up by commentators, pundits, writers and tabloids who all had fcuk all to do with this site. The strong majority of them were saying now was the time the fight should happen.

You got memory issues KG?

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 06:45**

Terry D wrote:There was no scope for a Witter fight. Hatton would have been bringing everything to the table and for years was in the process of building a fight with the best fighter in the world. Witter was given a few chances to shine on TV and was consistently poor. He loses his title and is still on a title holders time table in terms of fighting. He blew his chances himself.

What did Lazcano etcetra bring to the table other than low risk?? Why couldn't Witter have been in the ring instead of Lazcano?

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 06:48**

hitman_hatton1 wrote: this is about beating up a cocky yank.

He didn't want to shut up the cocky Yorkshireman though

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 06:52**

Fighting Urango was a bit of a joke, Urango got a gift against Rabah. Hatton gassed against Urango and resorted to hit and holding for the next 8 rounds. I stopped buying PPV's after that and only bought It because they added the Witter show as well

this is about beating up a cocky yank.

I ws entertained by him getting a hair cut In the ring though. Paulie has fast hands and could use them to his advantage against Hatton but I doubt he will and Hatton will just outwork him.

As for Witter I just hope he forgets about Hatton now and wins some belts back as that was just a bad night at the office.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 06:59**

Max Molyneux wrote:Urango got a gift against Rabah.

i disagree with that.

scored that fight twice and both times had urango winning 8-4.

i agree urango is nothing special mind.

just a real handful who can punch a bit.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 07:13**

Uruango also has potentially KO of the year and is the IBF mandatory again so can't be that bad.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 07:24**

...and is aggressive.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 07:29**

Why has this turned into another Hatton v Witter thread? Both are on the way out.

Hatton-Khan would be massive, when Hatton's a bit further faded and when Khan has matured.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 07:38**

Autobarn wrote:Why has this turned into another Hatton v Witter thread? Both are on the way out.

Hatton-Khan would be massive, when Hatton's a bit further faded and when Khan has matured.

khan would get destroyed by hatton.

he was struggling with gomez pressure at times.

hatton would have him running for his life in there.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 08:20**

Max Molyneux wrote:So boxing Is more about money and ticket sales

YES you finally get it, congratulations!

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 08:41**

Chambers2 wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote: You are spending WAY too much time on this forum if you think Hatton fighting Witter is some sort of big deal that people outside of this bizarre little world are desperate to see

I'm talking about people in and around British Boxing, at the time Hatton was negotiating his fights with anyone bar Witter (Juan & Paulie) it was repeatedly being brought up by commentators, pundits, writers and tabloids who all had fcuk all to do with this site. The strong majority of them were saying now was the time the fight should happen.

You got memory issues KG?

Yeah, but who gves a fornicate what they think? They dont buy the tickets and PPV's

Its the ticket buying public which sells out 50,000 seat arena's and make boxers rich men, not the "media"

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:00**

Terry D wrote:No it was about getting a fight with Floyd, and Witter was not part of that process. Hatton did not owe Junior a living. The fight should have been made around the time Hatton fought the Smith farce. It was not and Hatton moved into bigger fights, yes including the Urango fight as that was against a guy who did not have a (-) column as big as Witter's.

Junior has to now comeback and make the best of what he can from boxing, fighting some time this year would be a nice start.

Terry which part of getting a fight with Floyd involved turning the fight down in 2004, 2005, 2006 (according to Ray Hatton the fight was turned down at least 5times), waiting until Floyd had left the light welterweight division, fought Delahoya and retired? What's his excuse for not fighting Witter from 2000-2006 and beating up old men and scrubs? What was his excuse for signing to fighting Malignaggi before Witter lost? If Hennessey had paid off the judges as Team Malignaggi did in his last 2 fights then Hatton would still be embarrassed right now. It has simply been a calculated risk-reward choice, which boxing is often about, it is nice when a fighter wants to take on all comers though, thats what I call a real 'peoples champ' and 'man of the people'

Witter does need to concentrate on getting fights as this 1 won't happen for him now, which it may never have done anyway. At 34 without it will be a long road back with maybe no glory at the end of it

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:16**

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Terry D wrote:No it was about getting a fight with Floyd, and Witter was not part of that process. Hatton did not owe Junior a living. The fight should have been made around the time Hatton fought the Smith farce. It was not and Hatton moved into bigger fights, yes including the Urango fight as that was against a guy who did not have a (-) column as big as Witter's.

Junior has to now comeback and make the best of what he can from boxing, fighting some time this year would be a nice start.
Terry which part of getting a fight with Floyd involved turning the fight down in 2004, 2005, 2006 (according to Ray Hatton the fight was turned down at least 5times), waiting until Floyd had left the light welterweight division, fought Delahoya and retired? What's his excuse for not fighting Witter from 2000-2006 and beating up old men and scrubs? What was his excuse for signing to fighting Malignaggi before Witter lost? If Hennessey had paid off the judges as Team Malignaggi did in his last 2 fights then Hatton would still be embarrassed right now. It has simply been a calculated risk-reward choice, which boxing is often about, it is nice when a fighter wants to take on all comers though, thats what I call a real 'peoples champ' and 'man of the people'

Witter does need to concentrate on getting fights as this 1 won't happen for him now, which it may never have done anyway. At 34 without it will be a long road back with maybe no glory at the end of it

Thats a good post. I had the feeling watching the Hatton documentory recently they were trying to brainwash us into believing Hatton was "just one of the lads" and all that money hadnt changed him. The fact is he doesnt care about his fans anymore as he claims to and making money is his main aim. I think he is heading for a fall.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:30**

Terry D wrote:Plus, for the final time, in 2005 and 2006 Witter was as welcome on US TV screens as an hairy Muslim male at a mid-Western sorority panties and bras slumber party.

yep.

say what u want.

hatton went stateside and earned the mayweather fight.

witter earned a fake title and a couple of low key defences (off the map morelike

).

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:38**

Terry D wrote:I think recent events have proven that there is not enough salt in the sea to apply to a Ray Hatton statement. Once Hatton was with HBO other people would have worked to make the fight a reality. Leaving the minor details to the man in question, and we saw how they went.

Straight after Tszyu was the only time I heard real talk of making the fight, only Floyd then moved up to welterweight. Then Hatton moves up there and finds it tough so the fight looked in jeopardy, so they built up a Castillo fight. Floyd moving up to beat Oscar made the fight possible because there was no way Floyd would stick to that weight and he needed a fight that HBO could sell and that could make shed loads of money for all involved. Step forward Hatton, at the right time.

Prior to the Vegas trips the Floyd fight may not have sold as well over there as it eventually did. Plus, for the final time, in 2005 and 2006 Witter was as welcome on US TV screens as an hairy Muslim male at a mid-Western sorority panties and bras slumber party. Actually selling Hatton-Witter would have very hard, especially as Witter fans tend to offer lip-service support then back out the moment they have to actually attend one of his fights. Leaving Hatton to carry everything. Collazo, Urango, Castillo and Lazcano, even Maussa, all had one thing in common, people did not seriously object to their fights. That was not the case with Witter.

As for taking the fight straight after Floyd. Lazcano was a perfectly acceptable opponent for your first bout back. If you were happy for Witter, in your perfect little world, to wait from Sept to May for a fight then it shows exactly why you guys do not understand the root of the problem. Witter does not, plus did not, fight often enough, he is US poison and he is incapable of stringing impressive rounds together, let alone fights.

Hatton did all the groundwork to make his US name. Was he supposed to go to HBO and demand a match that would kill momentum in one way or another just to make a few agoraphobic British Junior Witter 'fans' happy?

They were operating in different stratospheres. Hatton was going to a place, the Floyd fight, whereas Junior was getting the occasional runout in a career that is not going to take off. Not unless his fans pull their fingers from out their keyboards and actually attend his fights, he then becomes popular, making fights becomes easier.

Talk risk to reward all you like but Witter turned down a Cotto fight that was high risk and potentially huge reward. He cannot say the money was shit, it is always going to be shit for him. He cannot say he was out of shape, he derides Hatton by saying he is in shape all the time.

Hatton took a risk by fighting Mayweather, he got a one-sided beating that could have ended his career and support. Sure he got paid well, but then I suppose you think Witter craves the Hatton fight for Corinthian reasons and really would fight him for free.

The fight was offered to Hatton in 2004 as Floyd's first fight at the weight. It was offered for Floyd's Novemeber 2005 PPV slot, Hatton choose Maussa instead saying he wasn't ready, Floyd then tried to get Cotto and Judah but had to settle for a none PPV fight in Mitchell as Judah argued about money and wanted to make the mandatory against Baldomir. Then in early 2006 when Judah lost Floyd again tried to make the fight with Hatton as Judah's value obviously went down, Mayweather even offered this PPV date to Margarito but Margarito had a tin pot fight scheduled. For his November 2006 PPV fight Floyd wanted a big name and was trying to get Hatton (who would fight Urango) or Mosley (who had a tooth ache). Floyd had to choose from between Spinks, Baldomir and Margarito. Floyd then got his big money fight against Delahoya and retired. But when the Hatton fight came available his father told him it was easy money and the rest is history.

Hatton was finally cashing out plain and simple and was taking ZERO RISK. Mayweather was P4P no1 so losing to the best isn't a hit on his stock. His 140lb status wasn't endagoured, even though the fight was offered to him at 140 according to Mayweather himself, its laughable when Hatton pretends he was too small at welterweight, the fight was offered to him at 140. Mayweather supposedly wasn't a puncher. Saying it is a risk is laughable (although if you want to say he could have been hurt is fair enough but you can get hurt anytime you step in the ring).

Witter was at least as credidible opponent as the no names Collazo, Urango, Maussa, Lazcano (we could talk about the WBU tripe).

Witter turned Cotto down on 1-2weeks notice as it is inadequate preparation time. Should we list how many big names Hatton's turned down on 4months notice?

Bottom line is Hatton is all about calculated risks, its not a bad thing and makes sense when it comes to making money. He's been very very fortunate to have the support he's had because its meant he can have every fight on his own terms and his pick of opponents to make him look good. Hatton is an excellent fight none the less.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:45**

PN, what's the source for the 2004 date as that's a new one to me mate? (P.S I don't mean that in a funny way, just interested to know)

I was told many moons ago that Floyd did offer the fight to Hatton for November 2005, but the contract for Maussa was already signed (it was originally supposed to be Hatton v Harris, which is why SKY invited Billy G to the studio to be their studio guest for the Maussa Harris fight after Ricky beat Kostya).

Source is indirectly from Mark Taffet bout 2 years ago for the Floyd offer.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 09:54**

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:PN, what's the source for the 2004 date as that's a new one to me mate?

I was told many moons ago that Floyd did offer the fight to Hatton for November 2005, but the contract for Maussa was already signed (it was originally supposed to be Hatton v Harris, which is why SKY invited Billy G to the studio to be their studio guest).

Source is indirectly from Mark Taffet bout 2 years ago for the Floyd offer.

We had huge thread discussion on Britain's ESB Board about it and it was in the boxing news sites at the time, I don't have a direct source. The general consensus was it was a lack of ambition and there was the feeling 'who knows Ricky may catch the smaller Mayweather late and make an international name for himself', that was back in 2004 when Ricky was in the same position pretty much as Khan (ok he'd been in with Tackie/Phillips) and people were screaming about when he was going to step up his comp. Mayweather was reportedly willing to come to Manchester. This was before Mayweather had headlined a PPV and was 'barely' scraping $1million a fight if my memory serves me right. Thats why despite his weaknesses I think Khan can become a major star because he'll get the right fights picked at the right time just like Ricky was able to. And ofcourse both have pools of talent aswell as the financial backing

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 10:57**

Witter is a comfort blanket for all those who have a personal dislike of Hatton.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:05**

Terry D wrote:1. Why would Hatton be offered the fight in 2004?

2. As far as I can see Hatton-Floyd in 2005 made about as much sense as a nun at a rock concert.

3. Hatton took zero risk.

4. Find the 2004 source and show that offers were made, rather than it just being down to talk and as realistic as the mooted fights that appear on here all the time and never go anywhere other than the Internet gossip rounds.

1. Because he was and turned it down, Cotto was also in discussions in 2004 when both were up and comers
2. Yes P4P no1 versus Linear Champ, both happen to be in the same division, F ALL in sense in that, Mayweather offered the fight to Hatton
3. Thats right, has his career suffered from his loss to Mayweather? NO, so wheres the risk? There wasn't 1
4. No, it was covered at the time I'm not spending all day looking for a source, if you're going under the guise of a boxing hack pay attention to the sport instead of just asslicking Mancunian fighters.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:43**

HughJohnson wrote:Witter is a comfort blanket for all those who have a personal dislike of Hatton.

Bit of a generalisation, but to a point I agree with this.

Why is Witter even being mentioned on this thread, it's got fornicate all to do with him. He was spanked by a virtual nobody - end of story.

This is about Hatton and Graham. And I agree it's been handled terribly.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:51**

Khaosai-Galaxy wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:
Khaosai-Galaxy wrote: You are spending WAY too much time on this forum if you think Hatton fighting Witter is some sort of big deal that people outside of this bizarre little world are desperate to see

I'm talking about people in and around British Boxing, at the time Hatton was negotiating his fights with anyone bar Witter (Juan & Paulie) it was repeatedly being brought up by commentators, pundits, writers and tabloids who all had fcuk all to do with this site. The strong majority of them were saying now was the time the fight should happen.

You got memory issues KG?

Yeah, but who gves a eff what they think? They dont buy the tickets and PPV's

Its the ticket buying public which sells out 50,000 seat arena's and make boxers rich men, not the "media"

If Hatton was fighting Karl Taylor he'd probably still sell 50,000 tickets (hope that hasn't give Team Hatton any ideas), it doesn't make the fight right for anybody apart from Team Hatton.

I'm a British Boxing fan and I want to see the BIGGEST and best fights possible and from a British Boxing fans point of view they don't come any bigger than Witter-Hatton. Hatton had more than ample opportunities to fight Witter between 2000-2008 and he repeatedly turned it down to fight the likes of Hutchinson/Phillips/Rios/Tackie/Pedersen/Vilches/Stewart/Oliveira...... Whatever his 'excuse of the week' was, it stunk.

It wouldn't irk me so much if Hatton hadn't repeatedly told us that he was in the sport for the glory and not the money and how much he loves the fans (I was there to hear his empty words on Jun 5th 2006), followed by numerous money motivated decisions including Bumming his own beloved loyal fans with the Vegas ticket fiasco rather than having some taken from his purse.

If the Hatton fans knew a jab from hook they would have been calling for the Witter fight, fortunately for Ricky they don't and he can continue to fleece them in uncompetitive fights where he is a MASSIVE starting favourite.

Hattons had the silver-spoon treatment throughout his career and the only reason that's been possible is because of his massive following, I don't feel as though he's repaid any of them with his cynical matchmaking. Also him and his teams PR is getting worse and worse by the day

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:54**

HughJohnson wrote:Witter is a comfort blanket for all those who have a personal dislike of Hatton.

You've got that arse backwards, people have a dislike of Hatton because of his refusal to fight Witter.

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 11:57**

Chambers2 wrote:
HughJohnson wrote:Witter is a comfort blanket for all those who have a personal dislike of Hatton.
You've got that arse backwards, people have a dislike of Hatton because of his refusal to fight Witter.

There is no more beautiful sight than Chambers when someone attacks JW :)

Go get 'em boy.......

PS Witter's career is over....

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 12:17**

Captain Hook wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:
HughJohnson wrote:Witter is a comfort blanket for all those who have a personal dislike of Hatton.
You've got that arse backwards, people have a dislike of Hatton because of his refusal to fight Witter.
There is no more beautiful sight than Chambers when someone attacks JW :)

Go get 'em boy.......

PS Witter's career is over....

I'm not even a Junior Witter fan, in fact I was more of a Hatton fan til I realised that he was never going to fight Junior in what would have been the BIGGEST All British fight ever.

I'm a fan of British Boxing and of boxers who are willing to take risks

Posted: **12 Aug 2008, 12:21**

Chambers2 wrote:
I'm a fan of British Boxing and of boxers who are willing to take risks

Was Audley just a blip then

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