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Quixall wrote:
Two things about the Khan - Barerra fight. Firstly, i saw some footage of Barrera before he fought Khan and said that he looked shot. His speed and reflexes had gone and he had no power at lightweight and whilst Barrera could have made a better fist of it against a less agile and slower fighter, he looked, if not shot, then well well past his best days, so i reluctantly don't give Khan much credit for the victory. Secondly, the cut was as bad in the 2nd round, as it had been in the 5th round, so the fight should have been stopped and declared a "no-contest" and re-scheduled. I think that Khan would have beaten Barrera anyway, regardless of the cut, but it was very dodgy that the fight was allowed to pass the four round marker, so it could go to the cards and Khan get his win.....

stujones wrote:

Quixall wrote:

sgtcecil wrote:Khan is now no5 in WBA LWW rankings!

Oh dear....It gets worse

They must pick names out of a hat

"Ok Jerry, who's next........"

Yes, I agree there and I am not for one minute saying Khan deserve a title fight.

On your other point about Khan and his comments... I really cannot remember those specifics... there always seems to have been a "disagreement" between Warren and Khan, especially back in the ITV days about how ready he was... Khan was going "yeah, Naz's record" and all and Warren was going "hold on now patients" - so I don't think Warren has always had the confidence of Khan. Maybe he needed to KO to realise his errors, change trainers, and improve his defence. Maybe its only now Warren can see he is ready (and Warren was obviously right cause he wasn't ready before).

Why don't we just wait untill we see what he does after Kotelnik. I'm not sure Kotelnik is easily the worst champion in 133 or 140. The WBO 133 title will soon be vacant, the IBF title is vacant and the WBA champion is Moses - very unproven. Looking at the LWW - If Bradley defends his WBC title - the WBO becomes vacant... a good chance Willy Blain will be #1 - much easier for Khan, and anyway since when has Juan Urango become much better than Kotelnik?

It was fine to knock Khan when he was fighting Substandard opposition or blown up Feather... I could even see some logic in the Barrera fight, I didn't agree but could see what people were saying, but this is a marked step up - fighting out of his weight against a credible, fresh, champion and yet he is still getting condemmed.

stujones wrote:

Quixall wrote:

sgtcecil wrote:Khan is now no5 in WBA LWW rankings!

Oh dear....It gets worse

They must pick names out of a hat

"Ok Jerry, who's next........"

Yes, I agree there and I am not for one minute saying Khan deserve a title fight.

On your other point about Khan and his comments... I really cannot remember those specifics... there always seems to have been a "disagreement" between Warren and Khan, especially back in the ITV days about how ready he was... Khan was going "yeah, Naz's record" and all and Warren was going "hold on now patients" - so I don't think Warren has always had the confidence of Khan. Maybe he needed to KO to realise his errors, change trainers, and improve his defence. Maybe its only now Warren can see he is ready (and Warren was obviously right cause he wasn't ready before).

Why don't we just wait untill we see what he does after Kotelnik. I'm not sure Kotelnik is easily the worst champion in 133 or 140. The WBO 133 title will soon be vacant, the IBF title is vacant and the WBA champion is Moses - very unproven. Looking at the LWW - If Bradley defends his WBC title - the WBO becomes vacant... a good chance Willy Blain will be #1 - much easier for Khan, and anyway since when has Juan Urango become much better than Kotelnik?

It was fine to knock Khan when he was fighting Substandard opposition or blown up Feather... I could even see some logic in the Barrera fight, I didn't agree but could see what people were saying, but this is a marked step up - fighting out of his weight against a credible, fresh, champion and yet he is still getting condemmed.

world ranked wrote:
Ask your self If Juan Urango would even be considered an opponent, when the possibility of Khan getting
KO'd he went for the champ with the least credientials in Kotelnik who, Khan at worst would get a draw because
Kotelnik has never dominated a world class fighter or has beat one clearly.

Quixall wrote: Having said what i have done, i think that Khan will always cause certain fighters a lot of trouble, at whatever level, because of his hand speed, accuracy, athleticism and punching power. Whether someone is a British, European or World champion, styles still make fights and some fighters can cope more easily with certain styles than others and i think that Khan will be too fast for Kotelnik and perhaps stop him. Khan's problem will be if he tires, gets put on the back foot or gets clocked. Other tahn that i see him beating Kotelnik. I just feel that he wont be able to beat the "elite" fighters, such as Pacquaio, Marquez, Guzman, Valero, Hatton, Bradley, etc etc. One off victories at "supposed" world level, against more limited opponents like kotelnik are a distinct possibility, but consistent performances through two weight divisions (133 & 140) fighting the very best those divisions have to offer......Forget about it

tonyevs wrote:Of course Khan doesn`t deserve a world title fight, but since when did that matter any?

It goes to show the good connections SN have, and the confidence of Kotelnik and his people.

I think people are writing off Kotelnik too quickly, he may not be an outstanding champion .. or even a really good one, but since when has Khan been proven on the world stage?

sgtcecil wrote:also note that in the WBA 140 rankings hatton is one place below khan!!!!!

i know that khan was not ranked last month at 135 by the WBA but beat barrera who was at no 3. where would he have been if he stayed at 135?

just goes to show how much of a farce the governing bodies are!

MightyWarrior wrote:Course he does, if everyone else and his uncle gets a shot, why not Khan. Which great talent is he stepping over to get his shot at this almost completely unknown champion?
There's so many bloody world titles floating about you sort of run out of decent challengers in the end.
Khan's world title adventure is not going to be a long one, so I'm looking forward to a pretty decent, high profile fight this summer.

This kid Khan gets talked about in every other thread it seems, which has to be a good thing for the sport.

This title holder is going to be over the moon getting a high profile well paid fight like this. And the rest of the boxing world will be looking forward to it too. It beats another defence against a guy NO ONE has heard of.

Quixall wrote: It highlights how bad boxing is at this time, where you have all these world champions and yet the fights everyone wants to see never happen......It just devalues the title "world champion"

Quixall wrote:
It highlights how bad boxing is at this time, where you have all these world champions and yet the fights everyone wants to see never happen......It just devalues the title "world champion"

Quixall wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:In any decent world - no. Especially not at 140.

In this garbage-filled world of early 21c boxing - yes.

I agree, that seems to be the distinction and people can quantify their arguments and reasoning by saying that others have got world title shots on similar poor records, but that does'nt justify Khan getting a world title shot. I think it also has something to do with a section of the media, claiming that Khan can be a "p4p" fighter, something that Khan has said himself, when he said that he could beat Paacquaio, shortly before Manny fought De La Hoya. Stuff like that is galling to listen to and on the basis of his record, he has no right to make such claims. If he truely thinks he is that good, then set up a fight with Pacquaio, Marquez, Guzman, Valero, Hatton etc etc and see if he can back his mouth up

MightyWarrior wrote:

Quixall wrote: It highlights how bad boxing is at this time, where you have all these world champions and yet the fights everyone wants to see never happen......It just devalues the title "world champion"

Yes it does, and to think back in the early 80's we were all moaning about how two champs devalued the sport - where you had rival champs like Sanchez/Pedroza, Hearns/Leonard, Spinks/Braxton and Duran...err Jim Watt ...my god we never realised we had it so good ( well we probably did, secretly )

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:

Quixall wrote: It highlights how bad boxing is at this time, where you have all these world champions and yet the fights everyone wants to see never happen......It just devalues the title "world champion"

Yes it does, and to think back in the early 80's we were all moaning about how two champs devalued the sport - where you had rival champs like Sanchez/Pedroza, Hearns/Leonard, Spinks/Braxton and Duran...err Jim Watt ...my god we never realised we had it so good ( well we probably did, secretly )

Of course. I'm old enough to remember when the IBF were new kids on the block, WBO unrecognised...now some people are saying four is a good number. It's shite. All the boards are terrible. That's why I still like the British title. I know it can be picked apart but the main problem is getting suitable challengers, especially when there is someone streets ahead of the rest or just not many fighters in the division.

The problem with one world title is that it gives the champion ridiculous power in negotiations and challengers virtually have to sign their lives away for no pay, unless it's a mandatory. And it is not as if champions defend 4-5 times a year. Some box once or twice a year.

gobbles wrote:Proliferation of the titles is nothing new. In the old days there was the NBA, IBU, New York and British world titles and that was when the boxing world was basically western Europe and North America, plus a few other outposts.

The problem with one world title is that it gives the champion ridiculous power in negotiations and challengers virtually have to sign their lives away for no pay, unless it's a mandatory. And it is not as if champions defend 4-5 times a year. Some box once or twice a year.

In just about every other sport, a world champion is someone who won a world championship, which everyone was able to enter. Boxing is very different in that way and that is why there is the demand for more champions. What there should be is more support for unifications and less pressure from governing bodies to avoid unifications.

stujones wrote:Although in Khan's case there is no WBA Super Champion, Kotelnik is the only WBA champion.

WildWaylon wrote:As others have said Khan may not deserve the shot but through the years many have got shots at titles without really "qualifying" for that opportunity. I have said all along Khan is at best Euro standard, although he hasnt as yet proved he is. With so many danger men at LW and LWW I cant see Khan being around too long. The elite in both divisions will beat him and Khan wont want to drop down and fight for a British title or European. Thats the problem with going from the primary school straight into university. Khan hasnt worked his way up so he lacks the experiance he needs to have to survive at world level. Add to that his inability to take a good shot to the head or body and his reign at the top, if he gets there, looks like being short lived. The story of Khan is not about a great fighter, its all about hype and making a small fortune for as long as possible. I can see another Khan crisis before this year ends.