Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 01:33
Say what you want, I've heard he helps old ladies carry their shopping home.
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Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 02:03
Will be interesting to see what happens, if anything, to Probellum.
I don’t know what country they legally operate from but the links to DK may well be tougher to prove than with MTK.
I also wonder if any boxers will be questioned about this stuff. I didn’t see anyone questioned about it yesterday in the few YouTube interviews I watched. I don’t think it’s been discussed on TalkSPORT (likely because of White’s links to Probellum) and I reckon Frank will ban any questions about it at the various press conferences.
I don’t know what country they legally operate from but the links to DK may well be tougher to prove than with MTK.
I also wonder if any boxers will be questioned about this stuff. I didn’t see anyone questioned about it yesterday in the few YouTube interviews I watched. I don’t think it’s been discussed on TalkSPORT (likely because of White’s links to Probellum) and I reckon Frank will ban any questions about it at the various press conferences.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 02:23
Maybe he was some
Shit blagger before and DK thought he could secretly launder some money through him. He was a 20 something car salesman from derby who came out of nowhere and got Joyce. I know boxers can be pretty dumb but that was a strange choice.
Shit blagger before and DK thought he could secretly launder some money through him. He was a 20 something car salesman from derby who came out of nowhere and got Joyce. I know boxers can be pretty dumb but that was a strange choice.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 02:37
They started off working with Haye on his comeback fights I think. I certainly remember Moralee being on the top table with him at the press conferences. Haye had links to Joyce which is probably where that deal came from.high tower 1 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 02:23 Maybe he was some
Shit blagger before and DK thought he could secretly launder some money through him. He was a 20 something car salesman from derby who came out of nowhere and got Joyce. I know boxers can be pretty dumb but that was a strange choice.
In fairness to S-Jam, as a management company they seemingly did well for their fighters.
Unless I’m missing something then the only link to Kinahan Sam has is when he joined Probellum.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 05:14
Great friends with politicians too. Allegedly served them up young lads.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 05:41
I don’t blame fighters for signing with MTK, it’s a tough sport to earn a living in especially for them at area / British level.
I do blame every single one of them for posting photos with him or tweets saying how great he is. It’s sick. They all know what he is. Especially the high profile ones. They can’t play dumb as whenever they posted about him they had loads of replies condemning him.
The US have put him in the same category as some of the most infamous cartel’s in the world.
He had a bloke shot dead in Majorca in front of his wife & kids because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
They had a homeless man shot dead in Dublin because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
While all the Hutches involved in crime were in hiding they were having innocent relatives & friends shot dead. He’s evil. And anyone praising him should be out of the sport. Take their licenses off them.
Edwards, Davison, Jones, Fury, Taylor, Catterall, Saunders, Paul & Liam Smith. Whoever it is. Ban them for a spell.
I do blame every single one of them for posting photos with him or tweets saying how great he is. It’s sick. They all know what he is. Especially the high profile ones. They can’t play dumb as whenever they posted about him they had loads of replies condemning him.
The US have put him in the same category as some of the most infamous cartel’s in the world.
He had a bloke shot dead in Majorca in front of his wife & kids because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
They had a homeless man shot dead in Dublin because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
While all the Hutches involved in crime were in hiding they were having innocent relatives & friends shot dead. He’s evil. And anyone praising him should be out of the sport. Take their licenses off them.
Edwards, Davison, Jones, Fury, Taylor, Catterall, Saunders, Paul & Liam Smith. Whoever it is. Ban them for a spell.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 10:36
You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 10:44
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 10:36From what I've read innocent people were not the targets but they were killed by mistaken identity and things like that. It's a big difference there between going after innocent people and having it happen by mistake. It's still terrible and that is where public opinion shifts and authorities start getting involved but the fact is that innocent people dying is bad for business and the worst case scenario for people involved. I think a lot of these guys dealing drugs are probably very nice respectful guys if you got to know them. It's just a business and it makes good money. Obviously some of them will be big ego types who are bullies. But some of them think of it like businessmen. They are not psychopaths like the lads who go out murdering innocent people for a thrill. I'm just speaking generally here and if you look at the history of the mobs in the US and things like that, you can find guys who just thought of it like a business.a force wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 05:41 I don’t blame fighters for signing with MTK, it’s a tough sport to earn a living in especially for them at area / British level.
I do blame every single one of them for posting photos with him or tweets saying how great he is. It’s sick. They all know what he is. Especially the high profile ones. They can’t play dumb as whenever they posted about him they had loads of replies condemning him.
The US have put him in the same category as some of the most infamous cartel’s in the world.
He had a bloke shot dead in Majorca in front of his wife & kids because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
They had a homeless man shot dead in Dublin because they thought he was a Hutch relative.
While all the Hutches involved in crime were in hiding they were having innocent relatives & friends shot dead. He’s evil. And anyone praising him should be out of the sport. Take their licenses off them.
Edwards, Davison, Jones, Fury, Taylor, Catterall, Saunders, Paul & Liam Smith. Whoever it is. Ban them for a spell.
How romantic.Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 11:28
No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 10:36 You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 12:39
Barry bought the property back in 1982 off his snooker earnings presumably, but the extensive renovations were probably boxing money.maverick23 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 11:28No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 10:36 You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 14:05
Barry’s said in the past that he didn’t make much money from boxing - just had some fun with it. He made his money from snooker and more recently (last 20 years) darts.polecateddy wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 12:39Barry bought the property back in 1982 off his snooker earnings presumably, but the extensive renovations were probably boxing money.maverick23 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 11:28No it didn’t. It came off the back off Barry making loads from Snooker’s boom period in the 70s and 80s.TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑14 Apr 2022, 10:36 You can't blame boxers for maximizing their earnings during a very short and risky career. Look at the size of Eddie Hearns house. That came off the back of fighters like Eubank going through wars.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 14:54
Matchroom shows weren't always on this scale. To be fair to Eddie, he's taken them to a new level.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 16:47
Promoters get a pelting but it must be a rough tough job. Boxers have to train and turn up on shape. A promoter has to take all
The flack al the time. I’d hate to be a boxing promoter.
The flack al the time. I’d hate to be a boxing promoter.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 14 Apr 2022, 21:14
Looks like media were banned from asking questions on this
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 05:25
I must admit that I’ve been wondering if enough of the financial investigation has already been carried out behind the scenes to allow an attempt to try and seize some of the money from this promotion?
It would be a hell of a way to make a point.
It would be a hell of a way to make a point.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 08:05
Doesn't surprise me the boxing media in the UK have been pretty gutless in questioning Kinahan's links to fighters and MTK. Now that the Irish Escobar is in the US government's sights maybe they'll all suddenly find their balls and actually confront the issue.
I doubt it though.
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 16:59
Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits
Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails
Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:01
And do you believe that? Every old school villain pretends to hate drugs. They all do it.GreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 16:59 Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits
Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:07
I believe Gerry was ODC in terms of his money making because the money he had matches up to it, if he was into dealing he'd be a far richer man andmore of his relatives would be alivemickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:01And do you believe that? Every old school villain pretends to hate drugs. They all do it.GreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 16:59 Gerry Hutch and his ilk are hoods but Gerry refused to get involved in drugs, unfortunately for him that mean Kinahans had all the money to hire the Wilson's and INLA etc. to carry out hits
Kinahans had enough drug money to hire thugs directly in jails
Think about it, why was Gary Hutch, the one shot dead to initiate things. was running drugs for Kinahan and not Gerry?
Gerry and his bunch are hoods like I said but they weren't drug dealing
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:10
The evidence is in who all the hired guns were working for
Kinahan, Gerry had one good go with the Regency and that's all h could afford
Kinahan, Gerry had one good go with the Regency and that's all h could afford
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:19
You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:27
Good sayingGreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:19 You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:33
GreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:19 You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 17:55
I think Huey shooting himself in the head by accident was based on the Keane_Callopy feud, one of those boys did thatjohnty1888 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:33GreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:19 You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever
Re: BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"
Posted: 15 Apr 2022, 18:10
Agreed. I bought the box set!!johnty1888 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:33GreenLightning wrote: ↑15 Apr 2022, 17:19 You ever see Love/Hate?? The sow about Irish drug dealers made before this fued kicked off
"If I offer ten grand to every scumbag out there and a hundred to the winner, you'd be dead by tomorrow"
Its like that
Love/Hate, one of the best TV dramas ever