BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[magnus]

Due to be shown from 1st Feb.

Darragh MacIntyre investigates the role of the alleged head of one of Europe’s biggest drug cartels in the upcoming heavyweight title fight between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua.

Was only a matter of time....

[Jimmy2020]

It was. Been saying for years that these lickspittle cowards floating around MTK will harm boxing. This documentary harms boxing.

I would be in favour of capital punishment for heroin pushers and those who aid them in any way.

Kinehan and his mob have balls and that's more than most but I don't think they should be given any quarter, and they are.

[Counter-puncher]

Bad for boxing yes but hell yes I’m glad to see it.

[Oiky]

Viewing numbers be big on this

[Black Sam Bellamy]

Too late now, they're too entrenched.

[margaret thatcher]

somebody get ready to find darraghs head

[GreenLightning]

Darragh is a cheesy fornicator always overdramatising his crime "documentaries" and pussyfooting around the people he's interviewing (a guy from a music website literally gave Johnny Adair a harder interview than Darragh) but the grasp the Kinahans have on boxing is absolutely stomach churning, Mick Conlan got all that crap for playing that stupid Wolfetones song at one of his fights, but the fact that he is actively promoted by a group that has left a trail of bodies all over Europe in a CURRENTLY ONGOING GANG FEUD gets comparatively very little heat, Frampton too, going from scumbag McGuigan to a bigger bunch of scumbags in the Kinahans, they are mass murdering heroin dealers for christs sake

[GreenLightning]

Table of contents on incidents related to the feud

Contents
1 Events
1.1 Murder of Gary Hutch, September 2015
1.1.1 Background
1.1.2 Murder
1.1.3 Quinn trial in Spain
1.2 Murder of Darren Kearns, December 2015
1.3 Regency Hotel attack, February 2016
1.4 Murder of Eddie Hutch Snr, February 2016
1.5 Murder of Vincent Ryan, February 2016
1.6 Murder of Noel Duggan, March 2016
1.7 Murder of Martin O'Rourke, April 2016
1.8 Murder of Michael Barr, April 2016
1.9 Arrest of two Kinahan associates, June 2016
1.10 Murder of Gareth Hutch, 24 May 2016
1.11 Murder of David Douglas, July 2016
1.12 Murder of Trevor O'Neill, August 2016
1.13 Murder of Noel Kirwan, December 2016
1.14 Knife attack on Tom Fox, March 2017
1.15 Arrest of three Kinahan associates, April 2017
1.16 Shooting of James Gateley, May 2017
1.16.1 Trial of two men
1.17 Murder of Michael Keogh, May 2017
1.18 Murder of Kane McCormack, December 2017
1.19 Murder of Derek Coakley-Hutch, January 2018
1.20 National Boxing Stadium shooting, January 2018
1.21 Murder of Jason Molyneux, January 2018
1.22 Arrest of three men, March 2018
1.22.1 Conviction of three men of attempt to murder Patsy Hutch
1.22.2 Conviction of remaining members
1.23 Arrest of two Kinahan associates, July 2018
1.24 Murder of Clive Staunton, November 2018
1.25 Murder of Eric Fowler, December 2018
1.26 Murder of Zach Parker,January January 2019
1.27 Murders related to January 2019 gang feud
1.28 Collapse of trial of Patrick Hutch, February 2019
1.29 Lee Boylan shot, March 2019
1.30 Murder of Seán Little, May 2019
1.30.1 Murder of Jordan Davis, May 2019
1.31 Murder of Hamid Sanambar, May 2019
1.32 Murder of Wayne Whelan, November 2019
1.33 Murder of Eoin Boyan, November 2019
1.34 Stephen Little and Edward McDonnell, August 2020

[GreenLightning]

Jamie Moore should know better too seeing as he himself was fornicating SHOT in a case of mistaken identity in relation to the feud while he training with Macklin

absolute animals but money talks boys, it talks a lot

[TheLeprechaun]

This should be interesting. It could really be damaging to quite a few people in boxing. Said it before but history will not be kind to many involved in this era of boxing.

[CaptainSpacerod]

What harm are they doing. They seem to be killing guys who fully buy into the lifestyle and know the risks. Don’t see why boxing should be alone in turning down massive investment from these guys.

[Jimmy2020]

What harm are they doing. They seem to be killing guys who fully buy into the lifestyle and know the risks. Don’t see why boxing should be alone in turning down massive investment from these guys.

Get over to Dublin and into some of the estates there. They are ruined by drugs. Yes, those on them have chosen to get on them but bigger picture is those in society who suffer as a result e.g. families, victims of crime by addicts, etc... if you don't already know this you are thick. That or trying to act hard.

Hope your nan never gets burgled/mugged or, worse still, a close relative becomes an addict.

[CaptainSpacerod]

What harm are they doing. They seem to be killing guys who fully buy into the lifestyle and know the risks. Don’t see why boxing should be alone in turning down massive investment from these guys.

Get over to Dublin and into some of the estates there. They are ruined by drugs. Yes, those on them have chosen to get on them but bigger picture is those in society who suffer as a result e.g. families, victims of crime by addicts, etc... if you don't already know this you are thick. That or trying to act hard.

Neither to answer your last point. If these guys aren’t doing it other guys will step into their shoes. Boxing taking a unilateral stance and refusing their money won’t make any difference at all to the societal problems you describe.

The govt would rather have a handful of Mr Bigs running things who they can keep tabs on rather than have a Wild West free for all hence guys like these usually seem to stay a step ahead of law enforcement agencies.

[TheLeprechaun]

I always thought that drugs should be legalized. Once you do that you completely take away that revenue from the gangs. It's not like it's hard to get the likes of cocaine or heroin if you want to get it anyway.

[Boxerbeetle]

I always thought that drugs should be legalized. Once you do that you completely take away that revenue from the gangs. It's not like it's hard to get the likes of cocaine or heroin if you want to get it anyway.

Yep, same here.

[dr_devious]

Which drugs should be legalised?

Marijuana probably

Coke, possibly

Crack?

Heroin?

Synthetic opiods?

Spice?

Also, if some / all of these are legalised how would they be distributed? Pharmacies, supermarkets, cafes a la Amsterdam?

[mickey1975]

Which drugs should be legalised?

Marijuana probably

Coke, possibly

Crack?

Heroin?

Synthetic opiods?

Spice?

Also, if some / all of these are legalised how would they be distributed? Pharmacies, supermarkets, cafes a la Amsterdam?

Weed, almost certainly, and I don’t even smoke it. Smack and Spice a total no no. Coke, maybe, most do it now and again but you will get some rocking it up. Alcohol.....?

[TheGoods]

This should be interesting. It could really be damaging to quite a few people in boxing. Said it before but history will not be kind to many involved in this era of boxing.

Maybe. Maybe not. What about Mobutu’s record of official murder, rape, arbitrary arrest and routine torture at secret detention centres? It’s not really tainted the legacy of The Rumble in the Jungle.

Agree this will be interesting! Whoever is fronting the doc must have some cojones as these are serious people.

[margaret thatcher]

not to mention all the glorified fighters whove done terrible things

[Coco]

Is it the same fella that did the Chelsea head hunters doc?

[Boxerbeetle]

Which drugs should be legalised?

Marijuana probably

Coke, possibly

Crack?

Heroin?

Synthetic opiods?

Spice?

Also, if some / all of these are legalised how would they be distributed? Pharmacies, supermarkets, cafes a la Amsterdam?

Legalise everything and sell it on licensed premises. Same as booze and tobacco.

[brilo33]

i dont want to talk anything up or down, but everything that has money there is crime behind it , look at the football clubs in england the blue team from london wheres his money come from, the manchester team how much blood is on that oil money, yea 2 wrongs dont make a right but were kidding our selfs, iam not even gonna mention the boxing promoters who were coming up in the 80s 90s pretty sure they were backed by the biggest gangsters in london at the time , i mean aj is the biggest boxer now ,and says he sold drugs and has a criminal conviction iam not digging him out personaly for that,its just the hypocrisy of the media, and of course you dont want to see crime glorified and it does reap havoc on communities, but why is it ok when mega rich politicians do it , clean it all up from top to bottom or shut up

[GreenLightning]

What harm are they doing. They seem to be killing guys who fully buy into the lifestyle and know the risks. Don’t see why boxing should be alone in turning down massive investment from these guys.

Yeah like that guy who was murdered because he was pictured standing beside Gerry Hutch at a funeral, so in turn that would make every single boxer who signs with Kinahan a legitimate target to their enemies, yes?

[GreenLightning]

What harm are they doing. They seem to be killing guys who fully buy into the lifestyle and know the risks. Don’t see why boxing should be alone in turning down massive investment from these guys.

Get over to Dublin and into some of the estates there. They are ruined by drugs. Yes, those on them have chosen to get on them but bigger picture is those in society who suffer as a result e.g. families, victims of crime by addicts, etc... if you don't already know this you are thick. That or trying to act hard.

Neither to answer your last point. If these guys aren’t doing it other guys will step into their shoes. Boxing taking a unilateral stance and refusing their money won’t make any difference at all to the societal problems you describe.

The govt would rather have a handful of Mr Bigs running things who they can keep tabs on rather than have a Wild West free for all hence guys like these usually seem to stay a step ahead of law enforcement agencies.

Mr Big is so obviously a police informer it isn;t funny, so yes, the government will let murderers run wild as long as they are informers (something the North would know a thing or two about)

Doesn;t help the communities that they flood with their garbage though does it?

What if Jamie Moore hadn;t survived being shot?

What about the schoolchildren who saw a guy get his head blown off in front of them (shot 8 times and at least 5 times in the head to be specific)? The teachers had to cover the car with their coats to stop his son seeing his dads body

No, I;m afraid not all of the victims are "people who know the risks"

[Jimmy2020]

I rather suspect intelligence agencies rather than police but your point is valid. You are, of course, correct about the North too.