mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 08:32
So you genuinely believe the fasting thing is good for a weight making division fighter?
What I believe is that, if he's going in against a guy who's weighing around 40-50lbs more than him, he will need to be at his strongest, and being stuck in the middle or end of a fasting regime which could weaken him, would not be good preparation.
At cruiserweight, making weight, results in him being on an even par with his similarly sized opponents.
Fasting results in weight and muscle loss, both of which he'd need against Fury.
Would you like to see a weakened opponent facing a much larger and stronger opponent in what is the biggest unification title fight for a long time?
I would not want to see it for any fight. He is obviously comfortable with it, when it suits.
So you shouldn't be complaining if he doesn't wish to fight during a weakened state then.
Of course, as I explained, a giant like Fury is a completey diffferent proposition to a cruiserweight.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 05:52
Well then, just like December, he’s not available. Why should he demand the exact date? He is strictly the B side hence why he has had to travel all over the world to box.
His religion didn't prevent him fighting for the title in the States just before Easter v Michael Hunter, or just after Easter for a title v Andrei Kniazev.
I'll be honest the concession for him not fighting because of being an Orthodox Christian participating in fasting for 40 days prior to Easter is something I never heard until yesterday but I'm glad that people have looked at the record and seen that apparently wasn't an issue back when the Ukrainian was a Cruiserweight.
From what I have read both team Fury and team Usyk are waiting on Saudia Arabia and if they don't hear anything really soon they are going to shift all of their attention to Wembley instead.
I thought they were waiting on Usyk to sign the preliminary contract?
Klitschko is one of those men who I respected a lot and defend quite a bit on the history section of the forums but he is one who has such sour grapes that a man he thought beneath him cracked the Klitschko code and dethroned him.
He was so quick to jump on the Anthony Joshua bandwagon and to this day will talk up everyone else in the heavyweight division but the man who defeated him. I don't know if that's because Vladimir feels he was robbed of the chance of regaining the crown in the rematch that never took place, but he's never given Tyson Fury the credit for beating him and only makes himself look foolish by calling Fury a clown and dismissing the man.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 09:35
by BigDoofus
The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 08:39
What I believe is that, if he's going in against a guy who's weighing around 40-50lbs more than him, he will need to be at his strongest, and being stuck in the middle or end of a fasting regime which could weaken him, would not be good preparation.
At cruiserweight, making weight, results in him being on an even par with his similarly sized opponents.
Fasting results in weight and muscle loss, both of which he'd need against Fury.
Would you like to see a weakened opponent facing a much larger and stronger opponent in what is the biggest unification title fight for a long time?
Yet you believed that a fighter without a trainer, not training in a gym and flying out to a fashion show was seriously preparing to fight
Klitschko is one of those men who I respected a lot and defend quite a bit on the history section of the forums but he is one who has such sour grapes that a man he thought beneath him cracked the Klitschko code and dethroned him.
He was so quick to jump on the Anthony Joshua bandwagon and to this day will talk up everyone else in the heavyweight division but the man who defeated him. I don't know if that's because Vladimir feels he was robbed of the chance of regaining the crown in the rematch that never took place, but he's never given Tyson Fury the credit for beating him and only makes himself look foolish by calling Fury a clown and dismissing the man.
Didn't Fury fail a drug test the year they boxed ( wild boar gate) but it wasn't announced until after their fight? Klitschko probably feels a bit aggrevieved..
The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 08:39
What I believe is that, if he's going in against a guy who's weighing around 40-50lbs more than him, he will need to be at his strongest, and being stuck in the middle or end of a fasting regime which could weaken him, would not be good preparation.
At cruiserweight, making weight, results in him being on an even par with his similarly sized opponents.
Fasting results in weight and muscle loss, both of which he'd need against Fury.
Would you like to see a weakened opponent facing a much larger and stronger opponent in what is the biggest unification title fight for a long time?
Yet you believed that a fighter without a trainer, not training in a gym and flying out to a fashion show was seriously preparing to fight
I didn't, but apparently you did, judging by how upset you keep getting.
What I thought was that Joshua took Fury's challenge for what it was, a nothing gesture, and responded in kind. Fury had already stated in August that he was coming out of retirement to face Chisora, and that's what he did. He was also aware it would be too soon for Joshua, immediately after his second fight with Usyk. Joshua knew the video challenge was just the usual Fury bluster, putting on a show for the gullible folks who believe his every word (such as yourself), responded with a 'yeah yeah, we'll fight'. In truth, neither of them wanted it. We've been over this a million times though, but you just keep on repeating the same soundbytes. Try to come up with something new Doofey, you're very, very boring.
Judging by the way people have responded to the latest Fury v Usyk delay, it appears quite a few have turned against Fury based on his previous antics with AJ (twice) and blame him. I realise the post about The People's Champ no longer having the people hurt you, so no surprise you're now trying to target me.
Klitschko is one of those men who I respected a lot and defend quite a bit on the history section of the forums but he is one who has such sour grapes that a man he thought beneath him cracked the Klitschko code and dethroned him.
He was so quick to jump on the Anthony Joshua bandwagon and to this day will talk up everyone else in the heavyweight division but the man who defeated him. I don't know if that's because Vladimir feels he was robbed of the chance of regaining the crown in the rematch that never took place, but he's never given Tyson Fury the credit for beating him and only makes himself look foolish by calling Fury a clown and dismissing the man.
Didn't Fury fail a drug test the year they boxed ( wild boar gate) but it wasn't announced until after their fight? Klitschko probably feels a bit aggrevieved..
That occurred allegedly after the fight with Christian Hammer before the Klitschko fight took place. Furthermore I would point out all the dirty tricks that happened on Fight Night in Germany.
The most egregious being that there was nearly two inches of foam padding underneath the canvas that had to be removed. The second controversy was Vladimir having his hands wrapped and taped before a single member of the Fury camp could be present.
Lennox Lewis was present in the arena testing out the ring and posted videos on to his Instagram or Twitter where it showed the ring crew removing the padding. A lot of fighters who fought Vladimir had complained over the years that there was so much padding when they fought him that it only benefited Vladimir, because it zapped all the energy out of their legs trying to get away from him.
Which is why Tyson did a video after the fight was over showing skin peeling off his feet and toes because even with additional padding removed there was still so much padding in the ring that it caused horrible blisters on his feet.
But there was a huge stink that night in Germany before the fight happened because John Fury got in the face of Klitschko's promoter and said that they would walk away from the fight because too many dirty tricks was going on.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 10:06
by The Gratest
To be fair, taking drugs to aid your training/performance is the ultimate dirty trick.
Klitschko is one of those men who I respected a lot and defend quite a bit on the history section of the forums but he is one who has such sour grapes that a man he thought beneath him cracked the Klitschko code and dethroned him.
He was so quick to jump on the Anthony Joshua bandwagon and to this day will talk up everyone else in the heavyweight division but the man who defeated him. I don't know if that's because Vladimir feels he was robbed of the chance of regaining the crown in the rematch that never took place, but he's never given Tyson Fury the credit for beating him and only makes himself look foolish by calling Fury a clown and dismissing the man.
Didn't Fury fail a drug test the year they boxed ( wild boar gate) but it wasn't announced until after their fight? Klitschko probably feels a bit aggrevieved..
That occurred allegedly after the fight with Christian Hammer before the Klitschko fight took place. Furthermore I would point out all the dirty tricks that happened on Fight Night in Germany.
The most egregious being that there was nearly two inches of foam padding underneath the canvas that had to be removed. The second controversy was Vladimir having his hands wrapped and taped before a single member of the Fury camp could be present.
Lennox Lewis was present in the arena testing out the ring and posted videos on to his Instagram or Twitter where it showed the ring crew removing the padding. A lot of fighters who fought Vladimir had complained over the years that there was so much padding when they fought him that it only benefited Vladimir, because it zapped all the energy out of their legs trying to get away from him.
Which is why Tyson did a video after the fight was over showing skin peeling off his feet and toes because even with additional padding removed there was still so much padding in the ring that it caused horrible blisters on his feet.
But there was a huge stink that night in Germany before the fight happened because John Fury got in the face of Klitschko's promoter and said that they would walk away from the fight because too many dirty tricks was going on.
I agree with all of this. I was being a bit provocative re wild board gate. I actually think Fury did the Heavyweight division a huge favour in dethroning a long reigning champion who had a strangle hold on everything, and treated us all to often repetitive and boring fights.
I also thought Haye was treated unfairly against them re not being allowed a toe injection and sent through the crowds to get to the ring.
I also thought it was good of John Fury to threaten to leave: showed that they wouldn't be pushed about, and close family support.
Fury was sublime that evening. It was a boxing masterclass, and I think his fights against Willder were superb, in different ways. I just don't see why he has to engage in nonsense with Joshua and Uysk. Surely, there is huge pots of money on the table and he would start as favourite. It's frustrating.
Going back to Klitschko, I have to say, the brothers are doing an amazing job for their country under extreme circumstances
Didn't Fury fail a drug test the year they boxed ( wild boar gate) but it wasn't announced until after their fight? Klitschko probably feels a bit aggrevieved..
That occurred allegedly after the fight with Christian Hammer before the Klitschko fight took place. Furthermore I would point out all the dirty tricks that happened on Fight Night in Germany.
The most egregious being that there was nearly two inches of foam padding underneath the canvas that had to be removed. The second controversy was Vladimir having his hands wrapped and taped before a single member of the Fury camp could be present.
Lennox Lewis was present in the arena testing out the ring and posted videos on to his Instagram or Twitter where it showed the ring crew removing the padding. A lot of fighters who fought Vladimir had complained over the years that there was so much padding when they fought him that it only benefited Vladimir, because it zapped all the energy out of their legs trying to get away from him.
Which is why Tyson did a video after the fight was over showing skin peeling off his feet and toes because even with additional padding removed there was still so much padding in the ring that it caused horrible blisters on his feet.
But there was a huge stink that night in Germany before the fight happened because John Fury got in the face of Klitschko's promoter and said that they would walk away from the fight because too many dirty tricks was going on.
I agree with all of this. I was being a bit provocative re wild board gate. I actually think Fury did the Heavyweight division a huge favour in dethroning a long reigning champion who had a strangle hold on everything, and treated us all to often repetitive and boring fights.
I also thought Haye was treated unfairly against them re not being allowed a toe injection and sent through the crowds to get to the ring.
I also thought it was good of John Fury to threaten to leave: showed that they wouldn't be pushed about, and close family support.
Fury was sublime that evening. It was a boxing masterclass, and I think his fights against Willder were superb, in different ways. I just don't see why he has to engage in nonsense with Joshua and Uysk. Surely, there is huge pots of money on the table and he would start as favourite. It's frustrating.
I think part of it is mind games but I also think part of it is we the boxing fans are not getting the entire story just bits and pieces of information and people jumping to conclusions. I also think it's the fact that Tyson Fury does see himself as the A side of the match considering he's crossed over into the cultural mainstream unlike Usyk.
The fact that he had a sellout crowd in December in an open air arena against a man lucky to be in the top 15 (Chisora) and having 95,000 for Whyte basically shows that Tyson Fury has finally achieved that superstar type drawing power that Anthony Joshua has. So if there is a little bit of BS going on it's because team Fury is sticking to their guns that they deserve the majority share of the money.
But I do think part of that is also mind games cuz I can see them all agreeing to something like 51/49 just to get under Usyk's skin a little bit. And I also think Fury taking a vacation with his family is also something of a mind game making the Ukrainian think that Tyson Fury don't take him serious.
I know an awful lot of people are buying into the mind games as haters or fans because they are shouting that Fury should be training but they forget that Tyson Fury can't be too far out of shape because he only fought 6 weeks ago. It wouldn't take long to not only get back into that kind of shape but to surpass that kind of shape in a real proper training camp.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 10:41
by polecateddy
Didn’t Fury say the blisters were from wearing cheap new sports socks?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 10:49
by The Gratest
polecateddy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 10:41
Didn’t Fury say the blisters were from wearing cheap new sports socks?
Yes, that's correct.
“At that point, Tyson Fury couldn’t even walk because he’d worn cheap socks in the ring and he had phenomenal blisters, like open bed sores, on his feet.
“The next morning when he got up, he dressed in a suit for breakfast with flips flops and loads of ridiculous platers, trying to conceal and heal the wounds he’d got from that dancing masterclass.”
polecateddy wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 10:41
Didn’t Fury say the blisters were from wearing cheap new sports socks?
Yes, that's correct.
“At that point, Tyson Fury couldn’t even walk because he’d worn cheap socks in the ring and he had phenomenal blisters, like open bed sores, on his feet.
“The next morning when he got up, he dressed in a suit for breakfast with flips flops and loads of ridiculous platers, trying to conceal and heal the wounds he’d got from that dancing masterclass.”
And looking at the video it looked like just one blister on a big toe, kind of like you’d get walking too far in new walking boots or something like that. And then he drive all the way back to Morecambe like a complete idiot and didn’t fight again for years. It’s hard to take the guy that seriously. I’d be incredibly surprised if he didn’t give Usyk a hard swerve this year. I just don’t think he’s up for the challenge.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 11:55
by BigDoofus
The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 09:56
Try to come up with something new Doofey, you're very, very boring.
mickey1975 wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 05:52
Well then, just like December, he’s not available. Why should he demand the exact date? He is strictly the B side hence why he has had to travel all over the world to box.
His religion didn't prevent him fighting for the title in the States just before Easter v Michael Hunter, or just after Easter for a title v Andrei Kniazev.
Those were cruiserweight fights. Fasting and a strict diet would have helped him make weight.
He's now (hopefully) going in against one of the biggest heavyweights in history, he doesn't need to be diminished in any way.
His religion didn't prevent him fighting for the title in the States just before Easter v Michael Hunter, or just after Easter for a title v Andrei Kniazev.
Those were cruiserweight fights. Fasting and a strict diet would have helped him make weight.
He's now (hopefully) going in against one of the biggest heavyweights in history, he doesn't need to be diminished in any way.
I don't think that's how religious fasting works
If you're training for a heavyweight title fight against a huge fighter like Fury, would you recommend following a strict training regime with high protein food intake at times to get maximum potential for your workout, or would you go into it refraining from certain foods, eating only at times the fasting period allows, thus weakening your training output?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 13:02
by Twinkle Toes
Along with being a drug cheat, it was also a real poor showing from Fury to dump meaty Mick like he did.
Loyalty and all that.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 13:51
by cormack
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 13:02
Along with being a drug cheat, it was also a real poor showing from Fury to dump meaty Mick like he did.
Loyalty and all that.
no loyalty when it comes to ££££££
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - Spring 2023
Posted: 19 Jan 2023, 14:02
by stujones
The Fury masterclass story again vs Klitchschko - the fight was too close for it to be a masterclass hence Fury's celebrations at the win.
Plus I think Klitchscko has every right to feel bitter that he didn't get his rematch chance.
The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Jan 2023, 06:20
Those were cruiserweight fights. Fasting and a strict diet would have helped him make weight.
He's now (hopefully) going in against one of the biggest heavyweights in history, he doesn't need to be diminished in any way.
I don't think that's how religious fasting works
If you're training for a heavyweight title fight against a huge fighter like Fury, would you recommend following a strict training regime with high protein food intake at times to get maximum potential for your workout, or would you go into it refraining from certain foods, eating only at times the fasting period allows, thus weakening your training output?
