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jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 18:55

forcefraser wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 17:46 Dubois was the first time since Usyk that AJ faced a hungry powerful heavyweight

Fights 4 cans and then gets exposed by the first fighter with any real ambition

Joshua has never recovered from the Ruiz fight.

He did OK in Usyk 2, but Usyk isn't a killer puncher.

Tell Fury that.

Very well done to Dubois, absolutely mullered Johnny Bigbucks Joshua

https://x.com/5livesport/status/1838129 ... 37573?s=46

Well worth listening to this clip from 5live where Mcguigan calls out what he considers to be bad advice from AJ’s corner and forecasts what it could lead to.. before it plays out exactly as he predicted. No flies on that boy..

Nice job by Dub. He has improved recently, but still Joshua was favored. Eventually, AJ looked like a not prepared fighter. He couldn't box, he was opened and he opened himself even more to get KOed.

I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Absolutely. He walked through some massive shots to land his own. AJ has never shown that ability.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Hergovic is rubbish.

But Dubois is on great form, I think something has 'clicked' for him recently, maybe he learned a lot in the Usyk fight because his boxing seems more fluid to me, right from round 1 vs AJ he looked slick, slick in a confident way, slick in the way that he couldn't wait for AJ to throw something so he could time him with a counter shot.

He's in the zone now, I feel bad for writing him off after the Usyk fight (although tbf he had his heart broken and quit on a jab) but he's moved through the levels and looks like the next best in the division

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Without the headbutt causing the first huge cut, would Dubois have won? This fight was stopped because of the cuts. I'm not saying he wouldn't have.

golden_labrador wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 09:58

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Without the headbutt causing the first huge cut, would Dubois have won? This fight was stopped because of the cuts. I'm not saying he wouldn't have.

Yeah I think Hrgvoic's arse was falling out.

dookus wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:22

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Absolutely. He walked through some massive shots to land his own. AJ has never shown that ability.

nonsense

whyte povetkin pulev just off the top of my head were all catching joshua with shots and he took them and go the KO .
of course lets not forget he did the same vs Klitchko including getting off the canvas to nail him .

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

it was a good win 100 % .
but we can only judge how good if hergo competes again at the same kind of level ie top 10 - otherwise DD beat a guy who was over and out , in which case its still a good win but not really anything truly special .

stevec@france wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 10:30

dookus wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:22

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Absolutely. He walked through some massive shots to land his own. AJ has never shown that ability.

nonsense

whyte povetkin pulev just off the top of my head were all catching joshua with shots and he took them and go the KO .
of course lets not forget he did the same vs Klitchko including getting off the canvas to nail him .

I can't agree. Yes he got caught by those guys and won, but his response in each case was to back off and regroup and see the crisis out until he was ready to go back on the offensive. In the Klitschko fight, he barely threw a punch from rounds 6-10! Dubois showed a hell of a lot more relentlessness under heavy fire against Hrgovic.

If Dubois had lost this, or got knocked out.. We'd see a lot of people dissing him.

Saying he's not all that, or that he's crap..

I mean some are still calling him C level.

Whenever someone loses, they get called shit.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 11:00 If Dubois had lost this, or got knocked out.. We'd see a lot of people dissing him.

Saying he's not all that, or that he's crap..

I mean some are still calling him C level.

Whenever someone loses, they get called shit.

AJ called him shit and then got KO'd by him!

dookus wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:22

mickey1975 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 08:03 I think we all didn't give enough credit to his last two wins. The Herg result was a cracking win.

Absolutely. He walked through some massive shots to land his own. AJ has never shown that ability.

Hrgovic isn't really a puncher though, and he was knackered after 3 rounds of moderate action.

MasterG wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 16:45 Anyway. DD inside 5 rounds, big effing punch from nowhere.

Wow

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 17:42 One bet, one win...........only had £6 on it but picked up £55

What was your bet? Dubois to win was 9/2 only

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 11:00 If Dubois had lost this, or got knocked out.. We'd see a lot of people dissing him.

Saying he's not all that, or that he's crap..

I mean some are still calling him C level.

Whenever someone loses, they get called shit.

dd has become a force to be really reckoned with .

vs miller he gave and took massive shots right til the end which was pretty incredible and ok the pace dropped but still ..
since the joyce loss he has been rebuilding and did ok vs usyk but ultimately couldnt cope with the constant movement and got frustrated hence the low blows .

he cant wait til next summer to fight the winner so maybe bakole next ?

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 12:26

MasterG wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 16:45 Anyway. DD inside 5 rounds, big effing punch from nowhere.

Wow

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 12:26

MasterG wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 16:45 Anyway. DD inside 5 rounds, big effing punch from nowhere.

Wow

Fair play Master G

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 10:31

He keeps talking about himself in the plural, is he one if those "they them" now?

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 12:37

Tarquin Tarpaulin IV wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 17:42 One bet, one win...........only had £6 on it but picked up £55

What was your bet? Dubois to win was 9/2 only

Dubby was 17/5 when I stuck a fiver on him.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 14:14

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 12:26

MasterG wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024, 16:45 Anyway. DD inside 5 rounds, big effing punch from nowhere.

Wow

Fair play Master G

I never saw AJ beating DD from when it was announced. The Ruiz fight ruined him. AJ has never been the same since.

In all honesty when AJ came onto the scene I'll admit I never spoke a word wrong about him. I thought this guy would rule the world for years. Unfortunately in life we very rarely want to experience trauma over and over. I'm not a sportsman so my example of trauma is hitting a 40 tonne loaded truck head on in my car. That hurt. The physical pain lasted about 6 weekend but the mental pain lasted years.

Every time I came to the part of the road where I hit that truck I had shivers down my spine and could relive the whole moment again. Also I would always slow down at that part of the road even if it was clear. 30 years ago I had a car and to this day when I pass that layby I vision the car I hit and still see the 2 old people sat in it.

I'm guessing in similar fashion when you get hit on the chin in devestating fashion no matter how physically strong you are your brain is wired to avoid that similar trauma again.

It happed to David Price and I'm sure we could think of many boxers who's careers have gone down him after their first traumatic loss. Humans have a survival instinct, it's called stress. We tend to avoid trauma.

Unfortunately for AJ, David Price saw the signs and accepted it and retired. No AJ will fight on but the same will happen again if he fights DD. Unfortunately AJ's motivation is money and he's trying to amass a huge pension pot, however he will lose to DD again and any other world class boxer. You don't get knocked out and recover from it totally.