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maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:12 Just watched an interview with Joyce’s mum on IFL. Very classy and it’s clear that Joe comes from a good family. Really happy for them particularly after Dubois’ comments.

Really nice.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 08:56 If fury can get beat by mcdermott and come back then Dubois can learn and come back from this.

Joyce is far from pretty to watch but he will be a very hard night for everyone. He’s massive , bull strong , iron chin his movement is improving. You’re going 12 rounds whoever you are.

He won a close one on points and then stopped him, pal.

Joyce basically won with a jab. Bowers corner work was just to bollock him. I thought after three that Bowers was worried and he knows him better than us. JJ wasn’t even sweating. I’ve read JJ weathered a storm. He didn’t. I don’t think he got caught clean once.
P.S He quit.

Dubois definitely quit, but nothing wrong with that if he thought he was seriously damaged. If more boxers did the same, they might have longer careers.

Bet he’s cursing IJL though - if the doctor had been called over to inspect the eye and had called it off, Dubois wouldn’t be getting any stick this morning. Fvck these referees who try to allow the home fighter to continue no matter what, could lead to someone getting hurt permanently.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 05:04 it was john latham who had dub up wide, 88-83, it wasn't 8 points so not as bad as first reported though still quite generous to dd. victor laughlin had it 87-84 jj and mark lyson 86-85 dub

I didn't watch the fight but listened to it on the radio. They gave Dubois all of the first seven (while admitting that some were close), Joyce the eighth and possibly the ninth (frankly, I was dozing off at that point), so that would also make 88-83 to Dubois at that point. Not saying that is necessarily a good score, just that the judge in question was not the only one to have it. Interesting to see the range of views here.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:37 Dubois definitely quit, but nothing wrong with that if he thought he was seriously damaged. If more boxers did the same, they might have longer careers.

Bet he’s cursing IJL though - if the doctor had been called over to inspect the eye and had called it off, Dubois wouldn’t be getting any stick this morning. Fvck these referees who try to allow the home fighter to continue no matter what, could lead to someone getting hurt permanently.

Would Dub be getting less stick if he had quit in a different way?

At the time, it seemed odd that he took the knee and then waited the full ten.

Would it have been better to throw his hands up and say I’m injured or just turn his back and stay on his feet for the count?

The optics of it seemed weird.

olij999 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:43

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 05:04 it was john latham who had dub up wide, 88-83, it wasn't 8 points so not as bad as first reported though still quite generous to dd. victor laughlin had it 87-84 jj and mark lyson 86-85 dub

I didn't watch the fight but listened to it on the radio. They gave Dubois all of the first seven (while admitting that some were close), Joyce the eighth and possibly the ninth (frankly, I was dozing off at that point), so that would also make 88-83 to Dubois at that point. Not saying that is necessarily a good score, just that the judge in question was not the only one to have it. Interesting to see the range of views here.

Classic example of how subjective boxing can be - do you take the guy who's landing the better work but not much of it, or the one landing dozens and dozens of jabs but almost nothing else? I had Joyce clearly ahead with the jab - it was doing enough to bust DD up long before the 10th - but I can see how others might see it tight or even DD a neck ahead. (5 points ahead, though? No.)

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:24

high tower 1 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 08:56 If fury can get beat by mcdermott and come back then Dubois can learn and come back from this.

Joyce is far from pretty to watch but he will be a very hard night for everyone. He’s massive , bull strong , iron chin his movement is improving. You’re going 12 rounds whoever you are.

He won a close one on points and then stopped him, pal.

Fury might have been given the decision, but let’s not forget that Terry O’Connor scored the first fight. That says it all particularly when the history between O’Connor and McDermott’s dad is known.

Lots of people think McDermott won the first fight - I personally do.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:37 Dubois definitely quit, but nothing wrong with that if he thought he was seriously damaged. If more boxers did the same, they might have longer careers.

Bet he’s cursing IJL though - if the doctor had been called over to inspect the eye and had called it off, Dubois wouldn’t be getting any stick this morning. Fvck these referees who try to allow the home fighter to continue no matter what, could lead to someone getting hurt permanently.

That’s exactly how I feel about it this morning, if he gets stopped on his feet or by the corner no harm done, now his reputation will take an awful hit becuase he saved himself and you can’t blame him really.

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Would Dub be getting less stick if he had quit in a different way?

At the time, it seemed odd that he took the knee and then waited the full ten.

Would it have been better to throw his hands up and say I’m injured or just turn his back and stay on his feet for the count?
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Had JJ cornered DD and began an onslaught, I doubt the ref would have even jumped in. He was gonna give DD the benefit throughout.

What if he had retired on his stool? He would have gotten less stick than taking a knee?

He did take the knee quite early in that round.. so there was a long way to go.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 08:56 If fury can get beat by mcdermott and come back then Dubois can learn and come back from this.

Joyce is far from pretty to watch but he will be a very hard night for everyone. He’s massive , bull strong , iron chin his movement is improving. You’re going 12 rounds whoever you are.

hardly comparable. fury never quit.

(nor was that fight as one sided as history leads you to believe, fury won the first two rounds and the last two in a ten round fight, many of the other rounds were open to interpretation)

JJ also deserves extra credit for not actually having his coach in his corner

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:28 Joyce basically won with a jab. Bowers corner work was just to bollock him. I thought after three that Bowers was worried and he knows him better than us. JJ wasn’t even sweating. I’ve read JJ weathered a storm. He didn’t. I don’t think he got caught clean once.
P.S He quit.

Really? He was hit clean for several occasions, in rounds 2, 3, 5, 7 at least. He was even rocked a bit in early ones.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 10:01

Frostieballs wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:48 Would Dub be getting less stick if he had quit in a different way?

At the time, it seemed odd that he took the knee and then waited the full ten.

Would it have been better to throw his hands up and say I’m injured or just turn his back and stay on his feet for the count?

Had JJ cornered DD and began an onslaught, I doubt the ref would have even jumped in. He was gonna give DD the benefit throughout.

What if he had retired on his stool? He would have gotten less stick than taking a knee?

He did take the knee quite early in that round.. so there was a long way to go.

I think if he had quit on his stool they would have stated it was due to injury... and he would be getting less stick.

Quitting mid round though, I wondered why chose to take the knee? As opposed to just walking off/turning his back/asking the ref to intervene. Perhaps it did just really hurt.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 10:27

Didn't want to know when hurt against Stevenson. Turning his back.

What does don’t ever spew it even mean?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 10:16

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 10:01

Frostieballs wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 09:48 Would Dub be getting less stick if he had quit in a different way?

At the time, it seemed odd that he took the knee and then waited the full ten.

Would it have been better to throw his hands up and say I’m injured or just turn his back and stay on his feet for the count?

Had JJ cornered DD and began an onslaught, I doubt the ref would have even jumped in. He was gonna give DD the benefit throughout.

What if he had retired on his stool? He would have gotten less stick than taking a knee?

He did take the knee quite early in that round.. so there was a long way to go.

I think if he had quit on his stool they would have stated it was due to injury... and he would be getting less stick.

Quitting mid round though, I wondered why chose to take the knee? As opposed to just walking off/turning his back/asking the ref to intervene. Perhaps it did just really hurt.

I guess we have the benefit of hindsight. DDD was getting his brain reset every 20 secs by a cinderblock jab with a hard-on for his busted left eye.

Ref was never going to save him because he’s the home fighter with the hopes of an entire promotion behind him. He says something to his corner before round 10 and they still don’t save him. He gets hit on the eye again and goes “fornicate all of you and fornicate this” and takes a knee. PR-wise it’s a nightmare for him now but I doubt he was thinking about that at the time.

Daniel Dubois suffered a fractured eye socket in his 10-round loss to Joe Joyce.

Dubois was taken to hospital immediately after quitting in his Battle of Britain because he could not see out of his swollen left eye.

Scans revealed he suffered a fractured orbital bone and nerve damage.

When you get something in your eye it's debilitating. When you damage a nerve or burst a blood vessel it's painful. Comparisons with other injuries and talk of him quitting are premature.

Give Dubois a chance to speak.

Funny to see some of the folk calling Dubois names. David 'Sore Toe' Haye for starters. Dillian Whyte calling him a coward. I don't suppose you want to tell everybody about the time you knocked out the lad in Sweden do you Dillian?