FURY AND ROGAN TO FIGHT FOR IRISH HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE

[safeerah]

Why i said area title is because the Irish title is really classed the same as a area title over 10 rounds like the Scottish Welsh and all the other areas.

My source is i am friends with the brother of one of the officials appointed

Eh, no!

Scottish and Welsh titles are area titles because they are a sub titles leading to the British national title, all three are BBBoC sanctioned titles. The Irish title is a national title the same as the British title and sanctioned by the BUI.

British title a national title ?

[safeerah]

Has Firy got an Irish passport, yes or no ?

Not that i am aware of. There are British champions that didnt have British passports, and even some that didnt hold a British licence.

Your point?

Dont want to get involved in this whole thing as its the fights that are important not whos from where or not. But i think thats a great bit of trivia whos the british champs with no british passport good tiebreaker for a quiz that is.

Like i say not getting involved in this discussion but really intersted in the answer to this one.

Me too

[BigEars]

10 rounds, like the majority of national titles as far as I am aware.

Slap' can you confirm it's 10 rounds mate, boxrec have it as 12 and so do many of the bookies just wondering as fancy a bet on this not going the distance.

if it is 12 then it will be the first Irish title fight that I am aware of that is over that distance. It's a 10 rounder.

Just checked boxrec as I thought that whether correct or not I had seen a couple of Irish title fights listed over 12 rounds. Noticed Peter McDonagh vs Michael Gomez was listed as being over 12 and also (many moons ago but after the BUI's introduction) Hugh Russell vs Davy Larmour, although that bout was also for the Northern Ireland area title and was also a final eliminator for the British title.

Checking a quick video on youtube I notice RTÉ have McDonagh-Gomez captioned as been 10x3, although the video starts after Mike Goodhalls ring introduction which would help confirm it. But I suspect the 12x3 is just a mistake on boxrec.


10 round fights are normal for most national titles. Italy, Germany, Spain and France all use 10 round title fights. Infact the only countries that come to mind who have titles fights over 12 rounds as standard are Britain, South Africa and Mexico. Not counting the USBA title that is.

[Grehan123]

Hey guys,

Haven't posted here in a long long time, so be gentle if this is in the wrong place and instead should be a new thread ,

Do any of you guys have an idea of what both the running order and times will be for the show on Saturday?

The event is listed as starting at 10pm on Channel 5 and I think the doors open at 6, but am I am just wondering what time I should arrive at in order to see maybe one fight and then Jamie Conlan, Darren Corbett, Chris Eubank Jr and then Rogie and Fury?

Also would I be right in assuming that Channel 5 will be showing the Eubank Jr fight live and then Fury and Rogie?

[slapbangwhallop]

[smoggy7188]

The Eubank fight wasnt live last time.

[Grehan123]

Also would I be right in assuming that Channel 5 will be showing the Eubank Jr fight live and then Fury and Rogie?

I wouldn't assume anything, mate.

HS Press, please post the running order for Grehan. Thanks.

Thanks for your response MachoMan.

Just looking to get an idea as what time I should get to the odyssey arena at, as don't want to head too early .

[dondada]

Here the HS video from yesterday's final press conference:

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2012/video- ... conference

[slapbangwhallop]

I'll be interested to see what Fury looks like at the weigh-in. He looks leaner in his face than before previous fights.

Check out the video the press conference yesterday, its already on YouTube, Fury takes his top off and looks in great nick.

[slapbangwhallop]

Sounds like its all kicking off over there now. Rogan has just been told that it is now a 12 rounder not a 10!

[Tommy Gunn13]

Sounds like its all kicking off over there now. Rogan has just been told that it is now a 12 rounder not a 10!

I thought it was the other way round?

[jonny]

Sounds like its all kicking off over there now. Rogan has just been told that it is now a 12 rounder not a 10!

dont want to say I told you so but i told you so

[slapbangwhallop]

GOVERNING BODIES IN DISPUTE

A disagreement between two leading governing bodies, the Boxing Union of Ireland (BUI) and the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC), could see the Irish belt removed from Saturday’s Belfast blockbuster between Tyson Fury and Martin Rogan. Because the fight takes place in Northern Ireland it therefore partly falls under the jurisdiction of the BBBofC and General Secretary Robert Smith is reportedly presiding over a series of demands regarding the running of the headline attraction.

The crux of the disagreement apparently rests on an e-mail that was sent from Smith to BUI president Mel Christle, the details of which are as follows: “We have received a request from promoter Mick Hennessy for a non-scoring referee and three judges, which will be accepted by the Stewards of the Board due to the importance of the contest being on National Television, etc.

“However, the request for Mr. David Irving to be referee will not be accepted by the Board. We have no problem with Mr. Irving judging the contest but it is felt an experienced official will be required. Someone who has undertaken a number of varied championship contests and is proven at operating at world class.

“Unfortunately, before Mr. Irving was licensed by the Boxing Union of Ireland he failed to be upgraded to Star ‘A’ Class Referee in Great Britain due to the fact it was not felt he was good enough but suited more to the grade of ‘A’ Class.

“In addition, Mr. Hennessy requires a 12×3 round contest for television and, as in the past, we are happy to appoint judges following such a request. The fact that Mr. Hennessy has attracted a major television company in Channel 5, it is felt that the best possible standards are put in place and that would mean three judges and a non-scoring referee.”

The stance of the Board is surprising for a number of reasons. Firstly given that in 2007 Brian Magee and Tony Oakey met in Dublin for the British light-heavyweight title and all BBBofC requests (regarding distance, judges, referees etc) were adhered to by the BUI. Three years later Frankie Gavin fought Michael Kelly in Birmingham for the vacant Irish title with only Emile Tiedt as sole scoring judge and over 10 rounds. The recent JJ McDonagh-Lee Murtagh fight in Hove and Paddy McDonagh-John Waldron in Liverpool were also both over 10 rounds and with the referee as sole scorer. Smith dealt with both matters in the e-mail.

“With regard to the two Boxing Union of Ireland championship contests which took place in the United Kingdom recently, you are correct in that they were solely judged by the referee; however, had the promoter requested judges, each application would have been considered on its own merit.

“This event is a major tournament in Belfast and also a good advert for the All Irish Championship and therefore the Stewards feel that any appointment of officials for contests under their jurisdiction need to be made with the full approval of the Board.

“I am sure you understand the British Boxing Board of Control’s concerns and knowing the good relationship between the Boxing Union of Ireland and the British Boxing Board of Control the Stewards are mindful that this will not be an issue.”

BUI president Mel Christle has responded by stating that, “Under the rules of the Boxing Union of Ireland, All Ireland title fights are scheduled for 10×3 minute round bouts and are judged by the referee in charge of the said bout. The Board has nominated David Irving to be the referee, who has refereed numerous All Ireland titles, including heavyweight title fights, in the past. He is viewed as a top class referee, not only by the Boxing Union of Ireland but also by the president of the European Boxing Union, who witnessed and complimented his performances as referee on more than one occasion in the recent past.

“The Ratings Commission would be delighted if John Williamson [a Belfast official nominated by the BBB of C] would agree to be a supervisor at the bout, along with [BUI nominee] Francie McCullagh. However, we wish to make it clear that the conditions attaching to the holding of an All Ireland heavyweight title fight in Belfast – which were initially furnished to Mick Hennessy on 20th March – still apply.

“If the fight cannot take place in accordance with the BUI’s rules and be refereed by the BUI’s nominees, it will not be for the All Ireland heavyweight title.”

So it appears unlikely at the moment that the Irish title will be present at the Odyssey on April 14 unless these problems are first ironed out. Further discussions between the parties are due to take place and the BUI’s most basic rules and conditions are widely known to ringside scribes and, more importantly, to the promoters and show organisers. Even though the longstanding issue of Tyson Fury’s heritage and documentation was finally resolved and the Irish title initially put on the line, it appears that it may now be subject to added provisos being attached.

[slapbangwhallop]

What a fookin bunch of arrogant cants the British board are.

You would think the Brits had learnt their lesson about telling us how to run our own affairs! (joke!)

But seriously, the BUI need to tell them to fook off and mind their own business and the BUI need to start sanctioning fights in the north as well.

I wonder how the British board would have reacted if the Irish board said that the British title had to be over 10 rounds with a scoring ref when Oakey fought Magee in Dublin?

[jonny]

Think the Board are right with this, If the promoter is happy to pay for 3 judges then thats the way to go, the ref will have his work cut out handling this fight.

[slapbangwhallop]

Sounds like its all kicking off over there now. Rogan has just been told that it is now a 12 rounder not a 10!

dont want to say I told you so but i told you so

Well not really. The Irish board basically said "It's our title, it's our rules. Like it or fook off back to Cardiff with the rest of the jumped up clowns or we'll get Jane Couch after ya again!"

[jonny]

The fight is being held in Northern Ireland an area of the BBBofC and Rogan and Fury hold BBBofC licenses why shouldnt they have their say

[slapbangwhallop]

Think the Board are right with this, If the promoter is happy to pay for 3 judges then thats the way to go, the ref will have his work cut out handling this fight.

The Board? As in the Irish board?

If you mean the BBBoC then my response is "are they fook!"

It's not Mick Hennessy's titles, its not the BBBoC's title, its the BUI sanctioned Irish title. The BUI set the rules, if you dont like it then fook off and fight Price for the British title.

[slapbangwhallop]

The fight is being held in Northern Ireland an area of the BBBofC and Rogan and Fury hold BBBofC licenses why shouldnt they have their say

Because its not for a BBBoC title thats why. The BUI didnt tell the BBBoC what rules they should have for their title fights when it was fought for in Dublin.

[jonny]

The fight is being held in Northern Ireland an area of the BBBofC and Rogan and Fury hold BBBofC licenses why shouldnt they have their say

Because its not for a BBBoC title thats why. The BUI didnt tell the BBBoC what rules they should have for their title fights when it was fought for in Dublin.

Its the same with world titles being held on British soil the Board still have their say on whats allowed.

[jonny]

Sounds like its all kicking off over there now. Rogan has just been told that it is now a 12 rounder not a 10!

dont want to say I told you so but i told you so

Well not really. The Irish board basically said "It's our title, it's our rules. Like it or fook off back to Cardiff with the rest of the jumped up clowns or we'll get Jane Couch after ya again!"

They have no need to fook off back to Cardiff, If the BUI dont like it then they will have to Fook off back to Dublin with their title and Hennessey and the BBBofC will stage a 12 round international with what they want a bbbofc ref and bbbofc judges

[slapbangwhallop]

The fight is being held in Northern Ireland an area of the BBBofC and Rogan and Fury hold BBBofC licenses why shouldnt they have their say

Because its not for a BBBoC title thats why. The BUI didnt tell the BBBoC what rules they should have for their title fights when it was fought for in Dublin.

Its the same with world titles being held on British soil the Board still have their say on whats allowed.

I've never seen a world title fight where the BBBoC altered the number of rounds, the ref and the scoring system before they allowed a fight.

I have been to 3 Irish titles fights in Britain in as many years, Gavin-Kelly, Waldron-McDonagh and Murtagh-McDonagh and all three were happily held under standard BUI rules.

Who do the British board think they are to now come along and play with the integrity of the title? Arrogant bastards!

The BUI should pull the title if the fight is not going ahead under its usual rules.

[jonny]

Because its not for a BBBoC title thats why. The BUI didnt tell the BBBoC what rules they should have for their title fights when it was fought for in Dublin.

Its the same with world titles being held on British soil the Board still have their say on whats allowed.

I've never seen a world title fight where the BBBoC altered the number of rounds, the ref and the scoring system before they allowed a fight.

I have been to 3 Irish titles fights in Britain in as many years, Gavin-Kelly, Waldron-McDonagh and Murtagh-McDonagh and all three were happily held under standard BUI rules.

Who do the British board think they are to now come along and play with the integrity of the title? Arrogant bastards!

The BUI should pull the title if the fight is not going ahead under its usual rules.

Your right maybe not with the rounds but with choice of ref and rules, always

[slapbangwhallop]

They have no need to fook off back to Cardiff, If the BUI dont like it then they will have to Fook off back to Dublin with their title and Hennessey and the BBBofC will stage a 12 round international with what they want a bbbofc ref and bbbofc judges

Thats something we agree on.

Let me ask you this. If the BUI told the BBBoC that the Oakey-Magee fight could only go ahead if it was a 10 rounder with a scoring ref, and the British nominated ref wasnt good enough and it should be changed to an Irish ref do you think they should have said "OK fire away"?

p.s. The BUI needs to organise itself on a 32 county basis from now on like amateur boxing does, the BBBoC has no business running boxing in Ireland.

[jonny]

They have no need to fook off back to Cardiff, If the BUI dont like it then they will have to Fook off back to Dublin with their title and Hennessey and the BBBofC will stage a 12 round international with what they want a bbbofc ref and bbbofc judges

Thats something we agree on.

Let me ask you this. If the BUI told the BBBoC that the Oakey-Magee fight could only go ahead if it was a 10 rounder with a scoring ref, and the British nominated ref wasnt good enough and it should be changed to an Irish ref do you think they should have said "OK fire away"?

p.s. The BUI needs to organise itself on a 32 county basis from now on like amateur boxing does, the BBBoC has no business running boxing in Ireland.

Every right in Northern Ireland