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dberry wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:Name one boxer he fought who had the advantage in any of these categories:

-size
-speed
-ring iq
-power
-chin
-experience
-stamina

Stevenson had arguably the power edge, Lemuix a size advantage, Geale had speed to his advantage and doesn't the GGG-Proksa fight exist in your world? Anyhow, forget that, so you're saying that we shouldn't yet consider GGG to be the best current middleweight yet, then are saying that he has all those advantages over the other middleweights!? Wow, just wow.

Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

Cygnus475 wrote: Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

In 2008 Olympics, Phelps had advantages over all his opponents, but don't put him on pedestal (is that what you meant saying pedAstOl ?), because there are still plenty of swimmers he hasn't beaten.

ikorolev wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote: Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

In 2008 Olympics, Phelps had advantages over all his opponents, but don't put him on pedestal (is that what you meant saying pedAstOl ?), because there are still plenty of swimmers he hasn't beaten.

See now we're finally getting somewhere.

Ali is considered one of the greatest because he beat everyone in his division and even got beat up a couple times and won rematches. That's what "undisputed" means--no stone unturned.

I'm not even saying he has to lose I'm just not gonna elevate him higher than he is until he overcomes good competition that won't fold from the first jab he throws. There are plenty of good fighters he hasn't beaten yet.

No, Phelps had "advantages" just because he was better than ANYBODY. Golovkin is better than ANYBODY at his weight.

The only difference is that Canelo and Saunders are able to avoid him and still be considered "champions". They could be compared to a swimmer who doesn't go to Olympics and World Championships but is telling everybody that he is a champion. Everybody would consider such a swimmer an idiot.

He can only fight those who are willing to get in the ring with him, you can't ask for more than that, as for the advantages crap, he worked hard to hone his skills, if canelo etc doesnt want to fight him then you have to take that as a win for GGG, he is sticking to his division so no one can say he is dragging small fighters up as you seem to wish for and the phelps bit seems like sarcasm, you don't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed

ikorolev wrote:No, Phelps had "advantages" just because he was better than ANYBODY. Golovkin is better than ANYBODY at his weight.

The only difference is that Canelo and Saunders are able to avoid him and still be considered "champions". They could be compared to a swimmer who doesn't go to Olympics and World Championships but is telling everybody that he is a champion. Everybody would consider such a swimmer an idiot.

Whether golovkin is better than everybody at his weight remains to be seen. When he beats the majority of the top fighters in his division then we'll know he's the best.

Give it time. Saunders has gotten pressure from the media and the youtube boxing community for his cowardly interview. I'd be surprised but not shocked if he goes back on his word now that he's called him out.

Same with canelo. He is obliged by contract to fight him. If he refuses again then yes they're clearly scared and ggg should be considered the best.

He can only fight those who are willing to get in the ring with him, you can't ask for more than that

Lara and ward were willing to get in the ring with him.

as for the advantages crap, he worked hard to hone his skills

That's irrelevant. He's a big fish in a small pond until he fights guys who can match him in athleticism and skill that he can't simply bully and crush in two rounds.

if canelo etc doesnt want to fight him then you have to take that as a win for GGG, he is sticking to his division so no one can say he is dragging small fighters up as you seem to wish for and the phelps bit seems like sarcasm, you don't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed

Like I said it's a default win if canelo gets stripped for refusing to fight. They both have opponents they need to get past. If their schedules are free and canelo refuses then yes I will be completely on board with you and consider GGG the cream of the crop at middle.

Again you mention JMWs, stupid arguement

Pureist wrote:Again you mention JMWs, stupid arguement

The bloke is an idiot, Lara and Ward are a JMW and a SMW respectively, neither bring anything to the table, least of all a payday, and yet here this imbecile is claiming they "were willing to get in the ring with him" as if GGG needs to fight them in order to be considered any good. I don't know why I bother even reading the tripe in this forum let alone respond to it, the level of stupidity in here is sometimes below primary school yard standards.

dberry wrote:

Pureist wrote:Again you mention JMWs, stupid arguement

The bloke is an idiot, Lara and Ward are a JMW and a SMW respectively, neither bring anything to the table, least of all a payday, and yet here this imbecile is claiming they "were willing to get in the ring with him" as if GGG needs to fight them in order to be considered any good. I don't know why I bother even reading the tripe in this forum let alone respond to it, the level of stupidity in here is sometimes below primary school yard standards.

You haven't actually provided any sort of counter argument. All you're doing is throwing insults and, ironically, making yourself look like a primary school kid.

Out of that entire post the only thing you responded to was who he didn't fight. Weak.

I never said either one of them would provide a huge payday but you clearly don't know jack about boxing if you think neither of them would boost ggg's stock and p4p ranking. The #1 guy at jr. Middle and the #2 p4p guy wouldn't do anything for ggg's resume???

Name.

One.

Fighter.

Ggg beat.

Who was better than lara or ward?

Let's try this another way, what weight is Lara and what weight is ward, if they are not MW then what has it to do with fighting GGG

Pureist wrote:Let's try this another way, what weight is Lara and what weight is ward, if they are not MW then what has it to do with fighting GGG

Exactly Lara is 154 and has never fought once at MW and Ward is at 175 and he is on a course to fight Kovalev or back out at the end of it and make up excuses not to fight. Both are moot points at this juncture. There are plenty of North Americans to fight GGG but they are all cowards that is the main subject here.

Cygnus475 wrote:

dberry wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:Name one boxer he fought who had the advantage in any of these categories:

-size
-speed
-ring iq
-power
-chin
-experience
-stamina

Stevenson had arguably the power edge, Lemuix a size advantage, Geale had speed to his advantage and doesn't the GGG-Proksa fight exist in your world? Anyhow, forget that, so you're saying that we shouldn't yet consider GGG to be the best current middleweight yet, then are saying that he has all those advantages over the other middleweights!? Wow, just wow.

Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

This is silly. That's always the case, there's flux. When Floyd retired, he'd beaten 1-2 of the Ring top 10 ww at the time. Would you disagree he was the best at welter? Ward just vacated his SMW belt 5 months ago (!) having one win over a Ring top tenner, as of then. GGG has beaten 7 then Ring top tenners in just over 3 years. Anyone beaten more in the mean time?

Hilarious list of worthy MW contenders though. You meant he should fight all 5 of those guys at the same time?

dberry wrote:

Pureist wrote:Again you mention JMWs, stupid arguement

The bloke is an idiot, Lara and Ward are a JMW and a SMW respectively, neither bring anything to the table, least of all a payday, and yet here this imbecile is claiming they "were willing to get in the ring with him" as if GGG needs to fight them in order to be considered any good. I don't know why I bother even reading the tripe in this forum let alone respond to it, the level of stupidity in here is sometimes below primary school yard standards.

Bizarre poster, really struggles to make a point but just won't quit and its both sad and funny. Remember that poster "Brut"? Whatever happened to him, that account still active?

I see. So you won't name a single fighter GGG has fought that you would consider better than Lara.

Because you cant.

Concession accepted.

There ya go. You won!

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:

dberry wrote: Stevenson had arguably the power edge, Lemuix a size advantage, Geale had speed to his advantage and doesn't the GGG-Proksa fight exist in your world? Anyhow, forget that, so you're saying that we shouldn't yet consider GGG to be the best current middleweight yet, then are saying that he has all those advantages over the other middleweights!? Wow, just wow.

Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

This is silly. That's always the case, there's flux. When Floyd retired, he'd beaten 1-2 of the Ring top 10 ww at the time. Would you disagree he was the best at welter? Ward just vacated his SMW belt 5 months ago (!) having one win over a Ring top tenner, as of then. GGG has beaten 7 then Ring top tenners in just over 3 years. Anyone beaten more in the mean time?

Hilarious list of worthy MW contenders though. You meant he should fight all 5 of those guys at the same time?

Floyd had nothing left to prove at welter so that's a bad example. He could have fought thurman or Khan who were his mandatories but that's about it. If he was in his late 20's or early 30's it'd be completely different. But expecting a guy one year shy of 40 to take on guys half his age when he's been in the sport 20 years and has half a billion in the bank is a stretch.

When the hell did I say he should fight them all at once? None of you can make a valid point so you put words in my mouth ad absurdum. If anyone's laughing it's me. The fanboy circle jerking is hilarious.

Lancenix wrote:

Pureist wrote:Let's try this another way, what weight is Lara and what weight is ward, if they are not MW then what has it to do with fighting GGG

Exactly Lara is 154 and has never fought once at MW and Ward is at 175 and he is on a course to fight Kovalev or back out at the end of it and make up excuses not to fight. Both are moot points at this juncture. There are plenty of North Americans to fight GGG but they are all cowards that is the main subject here.

It needs to be pointed out that Lara has a far more impressive resume than 3G has managed to build. Why would 3G not fight Lara?

GingerHead has defeated Lara in a decision that objectively could have gone either way. Lara should have won by decision over Paul Williams, IMO. True, he has a draw with 32-0 Vanes, in a TD 9 that I felt Lara was ahead in and was going to win.

This is a legit fight for 3G. It would be his most notable fight to date. The argument that Lara brings nothing to the table is BS. The argument that Lara has a boring style is an inadequate excuse.

Let's face it, Lara makes everybody look bad. He is a challenging puzzle. 3G should solve the puzzle. If he doesn't it suggests weakness, IMO.

3G should prove that he can defeat a truly gifted boxer. Avoiding looking bad is a very weak rationalization.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

dberry wrote:

Pureist wrote:Again you mention JMWs, stupid arguement

The bloke is an idiot, Lara and Ward are a JMW and a SMW respectively, neither bring anything to the table, least of all a payday, and yet here this imbecile is claiming they "were willing to get in the ring with him" as if GGG needs to fight them in order to be considered any good. I don't know why I bother even reading the tripe in this forum let alone respond to it, the level of stupidity in here is sometimes below primary school yard standards.

Bizarre poster, really struggles to make a point but just won't quit and its both sad and funny. Remember that poster "Brut"? Whatever happened to him, that account still active?

turB is currently Undefeated 49-0

Cygnus475 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:
Apparently you lack reading comprehension. I'm tired of explaining basic concepts.

He has advantages over almost every opponent he's fought and hasn't truly been tested or overcame adversity like all the other greats.

What I'm saying is until that day comes we wont truly l know how great he is. Anyone can have the best stats, but stats don't matter if you can't use them while under pressure to find a way to win.

Anyone can have the best stats but they can't be called the best until they've actually beaten the best competition available. Wladmir has reach, height, power, stamina, and technique advantages over many of his opponents, but I consider him great because he's proven it against the best boxers of his generation. He overcame adversity, fought people who had some x factors that neutralized his own abilities and cleared out his division. Ggg hasnt. There are plenty of highly ranked fighters he has yet to fight so no, I'm not about to put him on the same pedastol as hagler, monzon, or robinson.

This is silly. That's always the case, there's flux. When Floyd retired, he'd beaten 1-2 of the Ring top 10 ww at the time. Would you disagree he was the best at welter? Ward just vacated his SMW belt 5 months ago (!) having one win over a Ring top tenner, as of then. GGG has beaten 7 then Ring top tenners in just over 3 years. Anyone beaten more in the mean time?

Hilarious list of worthy MW contenders though. You meant he should fight all 5 of those guys at the same time?

Floyd had nothing left to prove at welter so that's a bad example. He could have fought thurman or Khan who were his mandatories but that's about it. If he was in his late 20's or early 30's it'd be completely different. But expecting a guy one year shy of 40 to take on guys half his age when he's been in the sport 20 years and has half a billion in the bank is a stretch.

When the hell did I say he should fight them all at once? None of you can make a valid point so you put words in my mouth ad absurdum. If anyone's laughing it's me. The fanboy circle jerking is hilarious.

So you're saying Floyd wasnt The Man at welter when he retired, ok. Let me know the last time he was the best at welter, Im gonna look up the rankings. Bet you I'll find lots of names he hadn't fought.

How about this: who's a more dominant champ in his division currently? Maybe Kovalev, but he's only got 2 current Ring top 10 scalps.

You missed the point with those 5 MW contenders. They're all overwhelming underdogs vs GGG, no hopers really. He doesn't need those scalps to be undisputed. Everybody knows he's the man at MW, but to make it official he only needs Canelo's belt, via fight or strippage

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: This is silly. That's always the case, there's flux. When Floyd retired, he'd beaten 1-2 of the Ring top 10 ww at the time. Would you disagree he was the best at welter? Ward just vacated his SMW belt 5 months ago (!) having one win over a Ring top tenner, as of then. GGG has beaten 7 then Ring top tenners in just over 3 years. Anyone beaten more in the mean time?

Hilarious list of worthy MW contenders though. You meant he should fight all 5 of those guys at the same time?

Floyd had nothing left to prove at welter so that's a bad example. He could have fought thurman or Khan who were his mandatories but that's about it. If he was in his late 20's or early 30's it'd be completely different. But expecting a guy one year shy of 40 to take on guys half his age when he's been in the sport 20 years and has half a billion in the bank is a stretch.

When the hell did I say he should fight them all at once? None of you can make a valid point so you put words in my mouth ad absurdum. If anyone's laughing it's me. The fanboy circle jerking is hilarious.

So you're saying Floyd wasnt The Man at welter when he retired, ok. Let me know the last time he was the best at welter, Im gonna look up the rankings. Bet you I'll find lots of names he hadn't fought.

How about this: who's a more dominant champ in his division currently? Maybe Kovalev, but he's only got 2 current Ring top 10 scalps.

You missed the point with those 5 MW contenders. They're all overwhelming underdogs vs GGG, no hopers really. He doesn't need those scalps to be undisputed. Everybody knows he's the man at MW, but to make it official he only needs Canelo's belt, via fight or strippage

Very few boxers are "the man" when they retire. Most boxers keep coming back and end up broke or punch drunk. Ggg isn't a 40 year old man who's cleared out his division so again, BAD EXAMPLE. He doesn't have the luxury to cherry pick and put his feet on the table because he still has a lot to prove.

To be fair, Floyd probably got irritated all these young guys kept ducking each other hoping to win the mayweather sweepstakes fighting weak competition.

As for when the last time he was the best at welter...uh, maybe last may when he beat the p4p champ pacquiao??? Pac had beaten bradley, may beat maidana and canelo, everyone else had gotten the crap kicked out of them besides thurman.

Kovalev is about to fight ward and has been trying to make a fight with Stevenson. If he beats ward there is absolutelyno arguing who the top p4p fighter is. Kovalev has Hopkins on his resume for crying out loud.

Question: who has a better resume, wilder or triple g?

As for missing the point, no, if you've been reading the thread I've been making that point from the beginning. If canelo loses or gets stripped ggg is top dog at middleweight and he doesn't necessarily need to fight all these contenders I'm pretty sure he'd beat anyway. I literally already said that a few posts ago.

Tanzio wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

dberry wrote: The bloke is an idiot, Lara and Ward are a JMW and a SMW respectively, neither bring anything to the table, least of all a payday, and yet here this imbecile is claiming they "were willing to get in the ring with him" as if GGG needs to fight them in order to be considered any good. I don't know why I bother even reading the tripe in this forum let alone respond to it, the level of stupidity in here is sometimes below primary school yard standards.

Bizarre poster, really struggles to make a point but just won't quit and its both sad and funny. Remember that poster "Brut"? Whatever happened to him, that account still active?

turB is currently Undefeated 49-0

Gotcha, thanks. Maybe the new guy used Brut as a posting role model

Cygnus475 wrote:I see. So you won't name a single fighter GGG has fought that you would consider better than Lara.

Because you cant.

Concession accepted.

Proksa, Stevenson, Lemuix and Geale all would, most likely, have beaten Lara at middleweight at the time GGG fought them, Lara isn't the be all and end all and he's a junior middleweight, get it?

Cygnus475 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:
Floyd had nothing left to prove at welter so that's a bad example. He could have fought thurman or Khan who were his mandatories but that's about it. If he was in his late 20's or early 30's it'd be completely different. But expecting a guy one year shy of 40 to take on guys half his age when he's been in the sport 20 years and has half a billion in the bank is a stretch.

When the hell did I say he should fight them all at once? None of you can make a valid point so you put words in my mouth ad absurdum. If anyone's laughing it's me. The fanboy circle jerking is hilarious.

So you're saying Floyd wasnt The Man at welter when he retired, ok. Let me know the last time he was the best at welter, Im gonna look up the rankings. Bet you I'll find lots of names he hadn't fought.

How about this: who's a more dominant champ in his division currently? Maybe Kovalev, but he's only got 2 current Ring top 10 scalps.

You missed the point with those 5 MW contenders. They're all overwhelming underdogs vs GGG, no hopers really. He doesn't need those scalps to be undisputed. Everybody knows he's the man at MW, but to make it official he only needs Canelo's belt, via fight or strippage

Very few boxers are "the man" when they retire. Most boxers keep coming back and end up broke or punch drunk. Ggg isn't a 40 year old man who's cleared out his division so again, BAD EXAMPLE. He doesn't have the luxury to cherry pick and put his feet on the table because he still has a lot to prove.

To be fair, Floyd probably got irritated all these young guys kept ducking each other hoping to win the mayweather sweepstakes fighting weak competition.

As for when the last time he was the best at welter...uh, maybe last may when he beat the p4p champ pacquiao??? Pac had beaten bradley, may beat maidana and canelo, everyone else had gotten the crap kicked out of them besides thurman.

Kovalev is about to fight ward and has been trying to make a fight with Stevenson. If he beats ward there is absolutelyno arguing who the top p4p fighter is. Kovalev has Hopkins on his resume for crying out loud.

Question: who has a better resume, wilder or triple g?

As for missing the point, no, if you've been reading the thread I've been making that point from the beginning. If canelo loses or gets stripped ggg is top dog at middleweight and he doesn't necessarily need to fight all these contenders I'm pretty sure he'd beat anyway. I literally already said that a few posts ago.

OK great, you got something right. But Floyd beat Pac 3 months before retiring. Youre saying he stopped being The Man in those 3 months? Either way after beating Pac he only had 1-2 current top 10 scalps, so surely not the Man, per your requirements?

So you concede GGG is the most dominant champ in boxing, until Kovalev Ward at least. Great, you're already making progress. Now let's get past the next hurdle: yes GGG has a much better resume than Wilder.

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Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Cygnus475 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: So you're saying Floyd wasnt The Man at welter when he retired, ok. Let me know the last time he was the best at welter, Im gonna look up the rankings. Bet you I'll find lots of names he hadn't fought.

How about this: who's a more dominant champ in his division currently? Maybe Kovalev, but he's only got 2 current Ring top 10 scalps.

You missed the point with those 5 MW cïontenders. They're all overwhelming underdogs vs GGG, no hopers really. He doesn't need those scalps to be undisputed. Everybody knows he's the man at MW, but to make it official he only needs Canelo's belt, via fight or strippage

Very few boxers are "the man" when they retire. Most boxers keep coming back and end up broke or punch drunk. Ggg isn't a 40 year old man who's cleared out his division so again, BAD EXAMPLE. He doesn't have the luxury to cherry pick and put his feet on the table because he still has a lot to prove.

To be fair, Floyd probably got irritated all these young guys kept ducking each other hoping to win the mayweather sweepstakes fighting weak competition.

As for when the last time he was the best at welter...uh, maybe last may when he beat the p4p champ pacquiao??? Pac had beaten bradley, may beat maidana and canelo, everyone else had gotten the crap kicked out of them besides thurman.

Kovalev is about to fight ward and has been trying to make a fight with Stevenson. If he beats ward there is absolutelyno arguing who the top p4p fighter is. Kovalev has Hopkins on his resume for crying out loud.

Question: who has a better resume, wilder or triple g?

As for missing the point, no, if you've been reading the thread I've been making that point from the beginning. If canelo loses or gets stripped ggg is top dog at middleweight and he doesn't necessarily need to fight all these contenders I'm pretty sure he'd beat anyway. I literally already said that a few posts ago.

OK great, you got something right. But Floyd beat Pac 3 months before retiring. Youre saying he stopped being The Man in those 3 months? Either way after beating Pac he only had 1-2 current top 10 scalps, so surely not the Man, per your requirements?

So you concede GGG is the most dominant champ in boxing, until Kovalev Ward at least. Great, you're already making progress. Now let's get past the next hurdle: yes GGG has a much better resume than Wilder.

What? Am I just not good at explaining myself or do you just suck horribly at reading comprehension?

Floyd was the man at welter but then he fought berto and ignored his mandatories to retire on top. With him being 40 it was a little bit understandable. The difference is Floyd can come back today and still be right back where he was 10 months ago because he's that good. He's earned it. No one was within 100 yards of being within his tier.

I was saying the opposite. You clearly didn't read or understand my posts. Having 1-2 scalps you missed when you've been dominating 20 years is completely different from missing 5 scalps when you'vebeen dominating 5 years. Its far less of a black mark. And again ggg is still in his prime.

Um, when did I say ggg was the most dominant champ? I said kovalev should be consider the higher p4p fighter like 3 times now. Try to keep up.

Wladmir, kovalev, and chocalatito have been way more dominant and have far less to prove. I would argue Crawford and wilder are on the same peg as him. But if canelo loses or vacates I'll be more than happy to put ggg as top 5.

Mind explaining how ggg is sooo much better than wilder...???