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TheCobra wrote:Crowd response probably played a part too. The crowd was obviously pro-Horn so that helped him as people cheered his work. To be fair the crowd also went mental in Round 9 for Pacman nearly finishing it, but apart from that I can't remember many big responses to Pac's work.

I would disagree. The crowd were louder in their adulation towards Manny. When the cameras showed the dressing rooms of each fighter prior to coming out, the cheer for Manny was way louder..

Horn was took a prolonged battering in the 9th and looked very poor, with his legs quite unsteady and little coming back on his end. If that beating continued into the 10th a stoppage would've been justified, so I don't see a problem with the ref going to Horn's corner and saying 'show me something'; it's not as if he stopped the fight.

The most questionable officiating of the bout came from the judge who gave Manny only 3 rounds.

Bricks wrote:I saw bent bobs handiwork in the bent ref spoiling to stop a fantastic fight prematurely and has his richard steele moment......nasty piece of work

The ref had the authority to stop it and he didn't (I find it strange that some people think his trip to the corner was highly unreasonable). Arum co-promotes Horn and a big rematch in Australia is probably among the best outcomes for him.

Generally Horn would start the round strong. Drive Pac to the ropes and sink some body punches in. Often at the end of the round he would appear fatigued and Pac would be picking him off.

In most rounds both men had periods of success. I can see how some had Pac winning but calling it a robbery???

I havent seen the fight but just watched round 9 and didnt see any reason for the ref to even have a word with horn,he was moving throwing punches and even landed the last shot of the round + no way it was a 10-8 round

These commentators come out with some crap dont they? Teddy Atlas: He looks like puddle in the summer tats evaporating right in front of you.

A 10-8 is easily justifiable IMO, whether Horn landed a punch near the end or not. Very one-sided round with Horn obviously hurt....

crusader wrote:A 10-8 is easily justifiable IMO, whether Horn landed a punch near the end or not. Very one-sided round with Horn obviously hurt....

My point wasnt "oh horn landed the last shot so he shouldnt be given a 10-8 against" my point is horn was throwing shots back,end of the day 10-8 should only come into effect when there is knock down imo

Disagree

In my opinion they should also be scored when a round is very one-sided like that.

crusader wrote:Disagree

In my opinion they should also be scored when a round is very one-sided like that.

A cut and wild swings that only a few land doesnt make it one sided,id like to see the punch stats for round 9 and i bet horn had a better percentage of thrown to land compared to pacman

crusader wrote:Disagree

In my opinion they should also be scored when a round is very one-sided like that.

I can only go off round 9 as i havent seen the full fight yet.

Pac was hitting him plenty and his legs were shaky for much of the round. A few wild swings is a poor description of what actually happened.

Horn wasnt in the round

I was on the fence whether to call round 9 a 10-8 or not. then I just thought, aw fuckit...treat yourself...

Ezzard wrote:I was on the fence whether to call round 9 a 10-8 or not. then I just thought, aw fuckit...treat yourself...

Haha

AntonS wrote:

Taansend wrote:

AntonS wrote:Eat your heart out boys - fellow bananabender won fair & square - end of story

OK What's a banana bender

Qld = bananabenders (due to banana farmers), NSW = southerners, Vic = mexicans, WA = wild wild westerners
Queensland is the name & banana & sugar is the game But neither where I live

South Australians are Crow eaters.

And Kiwis are sheep shaggers

(Which is what the Aussies say to take the heat off them)

crusader wrote:Horn was took a prolonged battering in the 9th and looked very poor, with his legs quite unsteady and little coming back on his end. If that beating continued into the 10th a stoppage would've been justified, so I don't see a problem with the ref going to Horn's corner and saying 'show me something'; it's not as if he stopped the fight.

The most questionable officiating of the bout came from the judge who gave Manny only 3 rounds.

Bricks wrote:I saw bent bobs handiwork in the bent ref spoiling to stop a fantastic fight prematurely and has his richard steele moment......nasty piece of work

The ref had the authority to stop it and he didn't (I find it strange that some people think his trip to the corner was highly unreasonable). Arum co-promotes Horn and a big rematch in Australia is probably among the best outcomes for him.

Agreed, the ref's trip to the corner between the 9th & 10th was perfectly reasonable and justified. In fact, another referee (certainly some British ones) probably wouldn't have even let Horn see out the 9th round.

Boxerbeetle wrote:

crusader wrote:Horn was took a prolonged battering in the 9th and looked very poor, with his legs quite unsteady and little coming back on his end. If that beating continued into the 10th a stoppage would've been justified, so I don't see a problem with the ref going to Horn's corner and saying 'show me something'; it's not as if he stopped the fight.

The most questionable officiating of the bout came from the judge who gave Manny only 3 rounds.

Bricks wrote:I saw bent bobs handiwork in the bent ref spoiling to stop a fantastic fight prematurely and has his richard steele moment......nasty piece of work

The ref had the authority to stop it and he didn't (I find it strange that some people think his trip to the corner was highly unreasonable). Arum co-promotes Horn and a big rematch in Australia is probably among the best outcomes for him.

Agreed, the ref's trip to the corner between the 9th & 10th was perfectly reasonable and justified. In fact, another referee (certainly some British ones) probably wouldn't have even let Horn see out the 9th round.

I totally disagree. Ref shouldn't lecture boxer/corner during rest period - it's their time & not his, therefore he shouldd keep his distance & stick to neutral corner. If during the round he's got safety concerns, he should show intestinal fortitude (which very few posses) & wave it off.

AntonS wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

crusader wrote:Horn was took a prolonged battering in the 9th and looked very poor, with his legs quite unsteady and little coming back on his end. If that beating continued into the 10th a stoppage would've been justified, so I don't see a problem with the ref going to Horn's corner and saying 'show me something'; it's not as if he stopped the fight.

The most questionable officiating of the bout came from the judge who gave Manny only 3 rounds.



The ref had the authority to stop it and he didn't (I find it strange that some people think his trip to the corner was highly unreasonable). Arum co-promotes Horn and a big rematch in Australia is probably among the best outcomes for him.

Agreed, the ref's trip to the corner between the 9th & 10th was perfectly reasonable and justified. In fact, another referee (certainly some British ones) probably wouldn't have even let Horn see out the 9th round.

I totally disagree. Ref shouldn't lecture boxer/corner during rest period - it's their time & not his, therefore he shouldd keep his distance & stick to neutral corner. If during the round he's got safety concerns, he should show intestinal fortitude (which very few posses) & wave it off.

Referees often talk briefly to corners during round intervals - nothing wrong with it imo. It's not like he stopped them working and lectured them for a full minute, he just gave them a quick heads-up on his thinking.

AntonS wrote:Eat your heart out boys - fellow bananabender won fair & square - end of story

Ah well nothing more to add, may as well lock the thread Anton

AntonS wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:

crusader wrote:Horn was took a prolonged battering in the 9th and looked very poor, with his legs quite unsteady and little coming back on his end. If that beating continued into the 10th a stoppage would've been justified, so I don't see a problem with the ref going to Horn's corner and saying 'show me something'; it's not as if he stopped the fight.

The most questionable officiating of the bout came from the judge who gave Manny only 3 rounds.



The ref had the authority to stop it and he didn't (I find it strange that some people think his trip to the corner was highly unreasonable). Arum co-promotes Horn and a big rematch in Australia is probably among the best outcomes for him.

Agreed, the ref's trip to the corner between the 9th & 10th was perfectly reasonable and justified. In fact, another referee (certainly some British ones) probably wouldn't have even let Horn see out the 9th round.

I totally disagree. Ref shouldn't lecture boxer/corner during rest period - it's their time & not his, therefore he should keep his distance & stick to neutral corner. If during the round he's got safety concerns, he should show intestinal fortitude (which very few posses) & wave it off.

Totally agree with anton here

How the F is horn winning in this poll? WTF are you lot watching? Horn made some rounds close with his aggression but he hit air all night, he was woefully inaccurate.

I gave him 5 rounds but he didn't win any of them cleanly tbh. Anyone finding 7 rounds for Horn must be on something.

thechump wrote:

AntonS wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:
Agreed, the ref's trip to the corner between the 9th & 10th was perfectly reasonable and justified. In fact, another referee (certainly some British ones) probably wouldn't have even let Horn see out the 9th round.

I totally disagree. Ref shouldn't lecture boxer/corner during rest period - it's their time & not his, therefore he should keep his distance & stick to neutral corner. If during the round he's got safety concerns, he should show intestinal fortitude (which very few posses) & wave it off.

Totally agree with anton here

Thank you!
Does referee/umpire give quick heads-up on thinking in any other sport? Some boxing refs have adopted Stanley Christodoulou's no balls crap. He had a habit pleading with corner during rest period to call it quits because he feared premature stoppage accusations.

Why is there no It Was A Draw option?

This poll is a sham.

Pretty sure I read that Pacquiao outlanded Horn in the 1st round which if true shows how shite compubox is(unless I'm using stats to prove MY point)


How did Atlas score round 1, anyone know?

handsofstone wrote:Pretty sure I read that Pacquiao outlanded Horn in the 1st round which if true shows how shite compubox is(unless I'm using stats to prove MY point)


How did Atlas score round 1, anyone know?

You don't need this fight to tell you how bad compubox is. They take it personally too, i tweeted them when they released those bogus Floyd-Pac punch numbers and they sent a private-message back chastising me because i hadn't "spent decades, ringside, counting punches".

They're a tin-pot company that get free ringside seats to pretend to count punches with a glorified abacus.