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Wilder ain't stopping Ortiz, unless he catches him cold. Ortiz is old, but has has next to no miles on the clock, so he's fresh. I think Wilder will win the first couple of rounds, but Ortiz will catch him and finish him. No way Wilder's chin holds up for 12 rounds.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:12 Wilder ain't stopping Ortiz, unless he catches him cold. Ortiz is old, but has has next to no miles on the clock, so he's fresh. I think Wilder will win the first couple of rounds, but Ortiz will catch him and finish him. No way Wilder's chin holds up for 12 rounds.

Wilder has plenty of power though. He's knocked out a few that haven't had many miles.

Ortiz will have mile from the ams too.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:18

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:12 Wilder ain't stopping Ortiz, unless he catches him cold. Ortiz is old, but has has next to no miles on the clock, so he's fresh. I think Wilder will win the first couple of rounds, but Ortiz will catch him and finish him. No way Wilder's chin holds up for 12 rounds.

Wilder has plenty of power though. He's knocked out a few that haven't had many miles.

Ortiz will have mile from the ams too.

Wilder has the power, but not the chin. Ortiz only has to catch him clean a couple of times and then it's over.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:25

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:18

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:12 Wilder ain't stopping Ortiz, unless he catches him cold. Ortiz is old, but has has next to no miles on the clock, so he's fresh. I think Wilder will win the first couple of rounds, but Ortiz will catch him and finish him. No way Wilder's chin holds up for 12 rounds.

Wilder has plenty of power though. He's knocked out a few that haven't had many miles.

Ortiz will have mile from the ams too.

Wilder has the power, but not the chin. Ortiz only has to catch him clean a couple of times and then it's over.

Well I guess we'll find out soon enough

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:28

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:25

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:18

Wilder has plenty of power though. He's knocked out a few that haven't had many miles.

Ortiz will have mile from the ams too.

Wilder has the power, but not the chin. Ortiz only has to catch him clean a couple of times and then it's over.

Well I guess we'll find out soon enough

Indeed young man.

How do you see it panning out?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:30

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:28

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:25

Wilder has the power, but not the chin. Ortiz only has to catch him clean a couple of times and then it's over.

Well I guess we'll find out soon enough

Indeed young man.

How do you see it panning out?

I favour Wilder.

I think Ortiz might be too lathargic to make up the height difference.

Not planning on staking my rep on it.

I think Wilder will out point him fairly handily. I think he will fight at distance and use his speed to pick him off. Ortiz is really slow going by his last few fights.

In my book it would be a huge shock if Wilder lost this one. I reckon it will be about 118-110 to Wilder with Ortiz probably winning the last round looking for the KO and he might sneak another round somewhere along the way. Other than that I think it will be straight forward for Wilder. The ref might even stop it if Wilder pours it on in a later round.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:51 Not planning on staking my rep on it.

My rep has been in the toilet since Wlad vs Povetkin, so I can afford to stake mine.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:56

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:51 Not planning on staking my rep on it.

My rep has been in the toilet since Wlad vs Povetkin, so I can afford to stake mine.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:59

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:56

BitPlayer wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 14:51 Not planning on staking my rep on it.

My rep has been in the toilet since Wlad vs Povetkin, so I can afford to stake mine.

95gerog wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 12:56

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 11:25

Oiky wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 11:20 ortiz won't be coming to roll over

Dunno why but I think that’s exactly what he’s going to do

This is what worry’s me more than a anything. Ortiz taking a pay day and rolling over rather than Competing. I desperately hope not though as I think he has the tools.

If he do just roll over its a shameful turnout and he should hang em up

i think it will go a few rd , wilder ko 9rd ,wilders power will stay with him all fight , as will ortiz belly will stay with him all fight

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:49 i think Deontay Wilder is improving as a boxer , i thought he moved well in his last fight, a big win for dentotay tonight , aj will have to face him if he beats parker

wilder moved just as well the first time he faced stiverne, and stiverne was even less of an old inactive blimp then. stiverne literally had nothing for the rematch, except more fat..

i seriously cannot see any improvement from his title winning fight.

do ppl really watch the fights with molina, szpilka, washington, etc and really think hes come on since stiverne 1? he hasnt closed 1 hole in his game

he doesnt need to to beat sloooooow luis though

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 18:27

brilo33 wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 13:49 i think Deontay Wilder is improving as a boxer , i thought he moved well in his last fight, a big win for dentotay tonight , aj will have to face him if he beats parker

wilder moved just as well the first time he faced stiverne, and stiverne was even less of an old inactive blimp then. stiverne literally had nothing for the rematch, except more fat..

i seriously cannot see any improvement from his title winning fight.

do ppl really watch the fights with molina, szpilka, washington, etc and really think hes come on since stiverne 1? he hasnt closed 1 hole in his game

he doesnt need to to beat sloooooow luis though

he was letting his punches going from all angles in that fight , looked slick

Looking forward to this one now...

stiverne was a total punch bag who brought nothing, and wilder was just as slick the first time he beat him

just strange to me to say improvement when wilder was rematching the guy he already had his career best performance against, and showed all the same and actually more movement the first time. stivernes tailor made for wilder (pretty much all dws challengers did better)0 and he was totally done when the rematch happened. a fat finished mess

and the fight was like 1 minute

let me ask this, has deontay shown this improvement against anyone other then stiverne, who was the guy he already did by far his best against

because i watched him vs molina, szpilka, washington, duhaupas, etc and its same old wild flawed wilder

but like i said he always had too much for ortiz

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 18:34 stiverne was a total punch bag who brought nothing, and wilder was just as slick the first time he beat him

just strange to me to say improvement when wilder was rematching the guy he already had his career best performance against, and showed all the same and actually more movement the first time. stivernes tailor made for wilder (pretty much all dws challengers did better)0 and he was totally done when the rematch happened. a fat finished mess

and the fight was like 1 minute

i know what your saying but i thought he looked in that 1 st rd better boxing wise than in any of his previous fights , he was more then just waiting for that one big punch ,, and to nights fight we will get to see more as it wont be 1 rd job

So a thread created 4 months ago has just been turned into a RBR for tonight?

Mods, get a grip of this idiot. ffs

Sklar wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 06:17Wilder is seriously fast twitch loaded. Just over 15 stone with that power is very rare.

Wilt Chamberlain was famously strong!

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 06:21why is it that you can also have slow big punchers and fast light punchers

Foreman's a great example of the former. In his case, his body was really planted and solid when his punches landed, so most of their force continued travelling through his opponents. Force dissipates along the weakest paths, so no matter how much power you have, if you punch a thick wall it all comes straight back down your arm, and a person leaning against it on the other side doesn't feel a thing.

Lighter fast-twitch punchers can sometimes generate fantastic power through acceleration, but if they've structural weaknesses (like wrists and shoulders), a big chunk of that power fails to drive through their target. Speed + technique + weight - energy loss on impact = power.

Wilder has sensational speed for a heavy (when he punches correctly), 15st is plenty of weight, and his frame's sturdy enough to drive the bulk of that power through chins without complaint. He might not be such a hard body-puncher, since his height probably counts against his technique and harms his leverage (shorter arms and legs are advantageous in powerlifting). But then who knows. I wouldn't volunteer to be a test dummy!

I do wonder what he'd do against someone who covers their head really well at the cost of their body... Remains to be seen if he'd move downstairs.

Anyone got any links for the Wilder card?

Pm please.

I hope Ortiz is at his best tonight, that he uses his his ringcraft & counter-punching to frustrate Wilder and hive him something to think about.

If Ortiz uses the angles, then he coukd expose Wilder's clumsiness.

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 18:37 let me ask this, has deontay shown this improvement against anyone other then stiverne, who was the guy he already did by far his best against

because i watched him vs molina, szpilka, washington, duhaupas, etc and its same old wild flawed wilder

but like i said he always had too much for ortiz

It appears that if Wilder respects you, as he showed in the first Stiverne bout, he shores up his technique, is much less wild and open, and showcases pretty nice boxing skills.

With experience and growing confidence, he didn't have the same degree of respect for Stiverne in the rematch. He was a little wild and off balance again, but this time took Stiverne's head off quickly.

If Wilder wants to respect Ortiz---which he will early--- he'll use that reach and jab and thoroughly outbox the Cuban.

You have to respect Ortiz' power. But if Wilder is cautious and fights at a distance, will counter puncher Ortiz ever reach him?

Crease wrote: ↑03 Mar 2018, 20:40If Ortiz uses the angles, then he could expose Wilder's clumsiness.

If he can avoid getting clocked early doors he doesn't need to be Shades. Just a better version of Takam against Joshua, always covering his head and keeping it safe with a wary, continual walkdown.

You can manipulate Wilder onto the backfoot for stretches if you don't give him the scent of a knockout.