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jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 22:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 19:20 Groves has a great chance of beating Callum Smith in the final, but he'd be considered the underdog by boxing insiders.

Eubank Jr. insists he's remaining at 168lbs, but he's too small for that weight class. Chris needs to conform with normal training techniques and spend a year refining his skills. He was exposed badly tonight, even though the cut hindered him significantly.

Why would Smith be favourite?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 07:26

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 22:57

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 19:20 Groves has a great chance of beating Callum Smith in the final, but he'd be considered the underdog by boxing insiders.

Eubank Jr. insists he's remaining at 168lbs, but he's too small for that weight class. Chris needs to conform with normal training techniques and spend a year refining his skills. He was exposed badly tonight, even though the cut hindered him significantly.

Why would Smith be favourite?

When all the entrants of the 168lbs version of the WBSS was initially announced, Callum Smith was not only the betting favourite, but the majority of boxing insiders thought he'd win the tournament also.

The vast majority of the very same set of people also suspected that George Groves would beat Chris Eubank Jr.

Last night, George Groves defeated an inexperienced fighter that was not only far less skilled than himself, but possessed an eye injury, was also much smaller and also had less power than himself.

In stark contrast, Callum Smith is 6' 3", is relatively heavy-handed and can box.

Last night, George Groves beat a natural middleweight when he himself had rehydrated to an enormous 184lbs. He won't benefit from that sort of size advantage against Smith.

When Smith inevitably defeats Juergen Braehmer, boxing insiders will reiterate their previous prediction and proclaim their belief that he's the favourite to win this tournament.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 08:14

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 07:26

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑17 Feb 2018, 22:57

Why would Smith be favourite?

When all the entrants of the 168lbs version of the WBSS was initially announced, Callum Smith was not only the betting favourite, but the majority of boxing insiders thought he'd win the tournament also.

The vast majority of the very same set of people also suspected that George Groves would beat Chris Eubank Jr.

Last night, George Groves defeated an inexperienced fighter that was not only far less skilled than himself, but possessed an eye injury, was also much smaller and also had less power than himself.

In stark contrast, Callum Smith is 6' 3", is relatively heavy-handed and can box.

Last night, George Groves beat a natural middleweight when he himself had rehydrated to an enormous 184lbs. He won't benefit from that sort of size advantage against Smith.

When Smith inevitably defeats Juergen Braehmer, boxing insiders will reiterate their previous prediction and proclaim their belief that he's the favourite to win this tournament.

Callum Smith has done absolutely eff all to suggest he would beat groves.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 08:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 08:14

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 07:26
When all the entrants of the 168lbs version of the WBSS was initially announced, Callum Smith was not only the betting favourite, but the majority of boxing insiders thought he'd win the tournament also.

The vast majority of the very same set of people also suspected that George Groves would beat Chris Eubank Jr.

Last night, George Groves defeated an inexperienced fighter that was not only far less skilled than himself, but possessed an eye injury, was also much smaller and also had less power than himself.

In stark contrast, Callum Smith is 6' 3", is relatively heavy-handed and can box.

Last night, George Groves beat a natural middleweight when he himself had rehydrated to an enormous 184lbs. He won't benefit from that sort of size advantage against Smith.

When Smith inevitably defeats Juergen Braehmer, boxing insiders will reiterate their previous prediction and proclaim their belief that he's the favourite to win this tournament.

Callum Smith has done absolutely eff all to suggest he would beat groves.

That may or may not be the case, but regardless, when the WBSS was initially announced, Callum Smith was installed as the favourite by both the bookmakers and also by boxing insiders.

Wa1nuts wrote: ↑19 Feb 2018, 08:00

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 08:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Feb 2018, 08:14

Callum Smith has done absolutely eff all to suggest he would beat groves.

That may or may not be the case, but regardless, when the WBSS was initially announced, Callum Smith was installed as the favourite by both the bookmakers and also by boxing insiders.

Eubank was favourtie against Groves an look how that turned out.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 09:22 Who is Callum Smith's best win? Nothing suggests he has the pedigree to win

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 12:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 09:22 Who is Callum Smith's best win? Nothing suggests he has the pedigree to win

A lot of boxing insiders appear to be "sold" on the physical dimensions of the Brit, his amateur pedigree, coupled with him passing their proverbial “eyeball” test.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 12:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 12:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 09:22 Who is Callum Smith's best win? Nothing suggests he has the pedigree to win

A lot of boxing insiders appear to be "sold" on the physical dimensions of the Brit, his amateur pedigree, coupled with him passing their proverbial “eyeball” test.

he's sh1t on the 'eyeball test' to anyone with the discernment to see, quote me a boxing 'insider' who even mentions the 'eye test' or how Smith looks, because the 'proverbial eye test' is probably the least impressive thing about Smith, and I include his incredibly sketchy record in that. just to explain it for you:

his feet are slow and heavy
his head movement is terrible
he is a stiff upright target, stiff knees, stiff at the waist
he struggled to establish the jab against a much smaller man in Skoglund, because his feet are so slow
his attacks are ponderous and predictable and have very little variety.
he also seems to mark up quite quickly

apart from that he looks like a million dollars

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:57 So your source for these 'boxing insiders' and their supposed 'proverbial eye test' on Smith is basically, he was made favourite by the bookmakers? And you have no links or sources of any 'boxing insiders' talking about the 'proverbial eye test.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:48

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 12:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 12:40
A lot of boxing insiders appear to be "sold" on the physical dimensions of the Brit, his amateur pedigree, coupled with him passing their proverbial “eyeball” test.

he's sh1t on the 'eyeball test' to anyone with the discernment to see, quote me a boxing 'insider' who even mentions the 'eye test' or how Smith looks, because the 'proverbial eye test' is probably the least impressive thing about Smith, and I include his incredibly sketchy record in that. just to explain it for you:

his feet are slow and heavy
his head movement is terrible
he is a stiff upright target, stiff knees, stiff at the waist
he struggled to establish the jab against a much smaller man in Skoglund, because his feet are so slow
his attacks are ponderous and predictable and have very little variety.
he also seems to mark up quite quickly

apart from that he looks like a million dollars

I can't really say that I know too much about Callum Smith, since I've only witnessed a few of his bouts.

However, he was immediately installed as the favourite to win the WBSS tournament by both the bookmakers and also by genuine boxing insiders.

They seem to know far more about Callum Smith than I do, so I can't question their judgement on this matter.

For all we know, they could be right or they could be wrong, but only time will tell either way.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:13

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:57 So your source for these 'boxing insiders' and their supposed 'proverbial eye test' on Smith is basically, he was made favourite by the bookmakers? And you have no links or sources of any 'boxing insiders' talking about the 'proverbial eye test.

You only need to perform a few searches on Google to see that Smith was immediately installed at the betting favourite to win the WBSS. The same applies if you also search for the opinions of boxing insiders, like Tony Bellew, who favour the Brit to win the tournament.

I'm not spending a lot of time aggregating easily accessible information supplied by multiple sources, since you can do this yourself.

You'd only end up ignoring my post anyway, even if I proved my claims.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:13

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:57 So your source for these 'boxing insiders' and their supposed 'proverbial eye test' on Smith is basically, he was made favourite by the bookmakers? And you have no links or sources of any 'boxing insiders' talking about the 'proverbial eye test.

You only need to perform a few searches on Google to see that Smith was immediately installed at the betting favourite to win the WBSS. The same applies if you also search for the opinions of boxing insiders, like Tony Bellew, who favour the Brit to win the tournament.

I'm not spending a lot of time aggregating easily accessible information supplied by multiple sources, since you can do this yourself.

You'd only end up ignoring my post anyway, even if I proved my claims.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:52

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:13

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:57 So your source for these 'boxing insiders' and their supposed 'proverbial eye test' on Smith is basically, he was made favourite by the bookmakers? And you have no links or sources of any 'boxing insiders' talking about the 'proverbial eye test.

You only need to perform a few searches on Google to see that Smith was immediately installed at the betting favourite to win the WBSS. The same applies if you also search for the opinions of boxing insiders, like Tony Bellew, who favour the Brit to win the tournament.

I'm not spending a lot of time aggregating easily accessible information supplied by multiple sources, since you can do this yourself.

You'd only end up ignoring my post anyway, even if I proved my claims.

Full of poo as usual.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:52

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:13
You only need to perform a few searches on Google to see that Smith was immediately installed at the betting favourite to win the WBSS. The same applies if you also search for the opinions of boxing insiders, like Tony Bellew, who favour the Brit to win the tournament.

I'm not spending a lot of time aggregating easily accessible information supplied by multiple sources, since you can do this yourself.

You'd only end up ignoring my post anyway, even if I proved my claims.

Full of poo as usual.

Are you seriously suggesting that Callum Smith wasn't installed as the betting favourite to win the 168lbs WBSS when the tournament was originally announced?

Do you care to research this prior to responding to my question?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:24 In response to the thread question...It would appear he was indeed in for a rude awakening.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:13

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 13:57 So your source for these 'boxing insiders' and their supposed 'proverbial eye test' on Smith is basically, he was made favourite by the bookmakers? And you have no links or sources of any 'boxing insiders' talking about the 'proverbial eye test.

You only need to perform a few searches on Google to see that Smith was immediately installed at the betting favourite to win the WBSS. The same applies if you also search for the opinions of boxing insiders, like Tony Bellew, who favour the Brit to win the tournament.

I'm not spending a lot of time aggregating easily accessible information supplied by multiple sources, since you can do this yourself.

You'd only end up ignoring my post anyway, even if I proved my claims.

You made up your claims about boxing insiders.

It was one of those insidious little lies, you just tacked on a bit of made-up detail to the bit about the bookmakers favouritism for Smith, to try to add some ballast to your assertion.

And you're a massive hypocrite, you always demand sources from other people but when challenged fall back on a pathetic 'you can do the searches yourself', which is patently not a level of proof you would accept from anyone else.

pablothunder wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 15:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Feb 2018, 14:24 In response to the thread question...It would appear he was indeed in for a rude awakening.

Dude got kicked out of bed and thrown out on the street in his underwear.