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Guys, I would really like to read your thoughts, but maybe you can shorten them up a bit???

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 15:52 No offense, but who reads these diatribes?

I actually do read them regrettably.
But I'm retired and have no life

tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 15:52 No offense, but who reads these diatribes?

I actually do read them regrettably.
But I'm retired and have no life

LMFAO!!!! We have got to hang out!!!

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:39

tiny_acres wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:38

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 15:52 No offense, but who reads these diatribes?

I actually do read them regrettably.
But I'm retired and have no life

LMFAO!!!! We have got to hang out!!!

That's for sure

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:34 Guys, I would really like to read your thoughts, but maybe you can shorten them up a bit???

The point is, if bouts in the heavyweight division aren't decided by having a skill advantage, but rather by size, physical strength and punching power advantage when it comes to elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS (like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko) against small elite heavyweights (like Alexander Povetkin, David Haye, Carlos Takam and Eddie Chambers), then why not separate SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS from small heavyweights by creating a new SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT division where only SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko could compete against each other whilst leaving small heavyweights like Povetkin and Haye to compete against each other in their own, lower weight division?

Since elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko don't have to be more skilled than small heavyweights like Eddie Chambers, Carlos Takam, Alexander Povetkin and David Haye in order to beat them. They are able to do so by relying on their size, physical strength and punching power advantages.

Would you rather see the outcomes of boxing bouts determined MOSTLY by skills, or MOSTLY by size, physical strength and power advantages?

If Lomachenko shouldn't be allowed to fight against someone like Errol Spence Jr or Jarrett Hurd. Then why should Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye or Eddie Chambers be allowed to fight against the likes of Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitshko?

If Gennady Golovkin deserves very little to no credit for beating Kell Brook. Why should Wladimir Klitschko or Anthony Joshua deserve any more credit for beating small heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye and Eddie Chambers?

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:34 Guys, I would really like to read your thoughts, but maybe you can shorten them up a bit???

The point is, if bouts in the heavyweight division aren't decided by having a skill advantage, but rather by size, physical strength and punching power advantage when it comes to elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS (like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko) against small elite heavyweights (like Alexander Povetkin, David Haye, Carlos Takam and Eddie Chambers), then why not separate SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS from small heavyweights by creating a new SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT division where only SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko could compete against each other whilst leaving small heavyweights like Povetkin and Haye to compete against each other in their own, lower weight division?

Since elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko don't have to be more skilled than small heavyweights like Eddie Chambers, Carlos Takam, Alexander Povetkin and David Haye in order to beat them. They are able to do so by relying on their size, physical strength and punching power advantages.

Would you rather see the outcomes of boxing bouts determined MOSTLY by skills, or MOSTLY by size, physical strength and power advantages?

If Lomachenko shouldn't be allowed to fight against someone like Errol Spence Jr or Jarrett Hurd. Then why should Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye or Eddie Chambers be allowed to fight against the likes of Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitshko?

If Gennady Golovkin deserves very little to no credit for beating Kell Brook. Why should Wladimir Klitschko or Anthony Joshua deserve any more credit for beating small heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye and Eddie Chambers?

Ahhh...thank you. If you don't mind me saying: this has been the difference in the HW division for ages. Imagine a time when there was no CW division. 176 and up was heavyweight! The difference now is that athletes (and I've been saying this forever) are getting bigger and that makes is difficult to have fair matchups in an unlimited weightclass. Used to be the really huge guys had no skills at all and didn't do as well as the smaller guys. Now the big guys are skilled and/or athletic and that to me is the difference nowadays. I think they need to make another decision on a new upper weight class or else we'll have a ton of talent in no man's land. Like in the amateurs. Ergo; I agree that many big guy wins are nothing more than a physical advantage that we rarely see in lower weight classes. (exceptions like Hearns, Breland, Foster...etc.) Thanks for clarifying for me, I really appreciate it!

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:54

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:48

oogiebe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 16:34 Guys, I would really like to read your thoughts, but maybe you can shorten them up a bit???

The point is, if bouts in the heavyweight division aren't decided by having a skill advantage, but rather by size, physical strength and punching power advantage when it comes to elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS (like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko) against small elite heavyweights (like Alexander Povetkin, David Haye, Carlos Takam and Eddie Chambers), then why not separate SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS from small heavyweights by creating a new SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT division where only SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Wladimir Klitschko could compete against each other whilst leaving small heavyweights like Povetkin and Haye to compete against each other in their own, lower weight division?

Since elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko don't have to be more skilled than small heavyweights like Eddie Chambers, Carlos Takam, Alexander Povetkin and David Haye in order to beat them. They are able to do so by relying on their size, physical strength and punching power advantages.

Would you rather see the outcomes of boxing bouts determined MOSTLY by skills, or MOSTLY by size, physical strength and power advantages?

If Lomachenko shouldn't be allowed to fight against someone like Errol Spence Jr or Jarrett Hurd. Then why should Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye or Eddie Chambers be allowed to fight against the likes of Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitshko?

If Gennady Golovkin deserves very little to no credit for beating Kell Brook. Why should Wladimir Klitschko or Anthony Joshua deserve any more credit for beating small heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam, David Haye and Eddie Chambers?

Ahhh...thank you. If you don't mind me saying: this has been the difference in the HW division for ages. Imagine a time when there was no CW division. 176 and up was heavyweight! The difference now is that athletes (and I've been saying this forever) are getting bigger and that makes is difficult to have fair matchups in an unlimited weightclass. Used to be the really huge guys had no skills at all and didn't do as well as the smaller guys. Now the big guys are skilled and/or athletic and that to me is the difference nowadays. I think they need to make another decision on a new upper weight class or else we'll have a ton of talent in no man's land. Like in the amateurs. Ergo; I agree that many big guy wins are nothing more than a physical advantage that we rarely see in lower weight classes. (exceptions like Hearns, Breland, Foster...etc.) Thanks for clarifying for me, I really appreciate it!

I agree! When SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS actually know how to use their size advantage, then it becomes irrelevant how skilled small elite heavyweights like David Haye, Alexander Povetkin, Eddie Chambers and Evander Holyfield are. Simply because, size advantage neutralizes skill advantages. Skills only play a significant factor in outcomes of boxing bouts in the heavyweight division for small elite heavyweights against SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS when SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS don't know how to use their size advantages properly. However, if they do, then skills become irrelevant.

Size mismatches are prevented in the lower weight divisions. Instead, outcomes of boxing bouts are determined by who the more skilled boxer is. For example, the outcome of Vasyl Lomachenko vs Nicholas Walters was determined by who the more skilled boxer was. And in this instance, it was Lomachenko. Now imagine if Lomachenko had to face someone like Jarrett Hurd. Any reasonable boxing fan would know that Lomachenko is more skilled than Hurd. However, Hurd would be the massive favorite to win because of his huge size advantage and because his size advantage would neutralize Lomachenko's skill advantages.

Only in the heavyweight division do we witness such size mismatches as frequently as we do. Alexander Povetkin and Anthony Joshua should never be allowed to face each other inside the boxing ring. The very same way Lomachenko shouldn't be allowed to face Jarrett Hurd. But for some reason, this logic is lost and is not applied when it comes to the heavyweight division like it is applied in the lower weight divisions.

I'd like to ask a few questions:

Does Anthony Joshua or Alexander Povetkin deserve more credit for beating Carlos Takam? Since Povetkin didn't beat Takam with a significant size advantage but did it with a skill advantage. Whilst Joshua relied on a size advantage to win.

Does Anthony Joshua deserve any credit for beating small heavyweights that are much more skilled than him by using his size advantage, rather than using his skill advantages? Such as Alexander Povetkin and Carlos Takam?

Should Anthony Joshua even be allowed to face small heavyweights like Povetkin and Takam with such a significant size advantage, despite them being more skilled?

When two boxers of the same size face each other (such as Anthony Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko or Tyson Fury), such bouts are determined by who the more skilled boxer is. However, when two boxers are of a significantly different size (such as Anthony Joshua vs Povetkin or Takam), then skills don't determine the winner of such bouts. Rather, it's size because the much bigger boxer doesn't need to be more skilled to win if they are physically much stronger and more powerful.

I want such size mismatches to be condemned in the future!

MUHAMMAD ALI won the title @ 210 pounds---smaller than POVETKIN !

dickbelden wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:08 MUHAMMAD ALI won the title @ 210 pounds---smaller than POVETKIN !

What was the weight of his opponent?

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:16

dickbelden wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:08 MUHAMMAD ALI won the title @ 210 pounds---smaller than POVETKIN !

What was the weight of his opponent?

SONNY LISTON 218 pounds

Muhammad Ali, nor any other 'heavyweight' pre-1980 evver had to face modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Klitshcko brothers or Tyson Fury. Modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS that actually know how to use their size advantages.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:44 Muhammad Ali, nor any other 'heavyweight' pre-1980 evver had to face modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Klitshcko brothers or Tyson Fury. Modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS that actually know how to use their size advantages.

ALI defeated buster mathis 6 foot 3 256 pounds

dickbelden wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:41

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:16

dickbelden wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:08 MUHAMMAD ALI won the title @ 210 pounds---smaller than POVETKIN !

What was the weight of his opponent?

SONNY LISTON 218 pounds

Still, wouldn't have much of a chance against the 250 pounders

Also, there are a lot of odd stories around Sonny Liston, one of them is that he took a dive.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:06

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 07:07

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 06:10
I stated ELITE / TOP super heavyweights will almost always dominate and beat small heavyweights (who are really blown up cruiser / light heavyweights to begin with in the first place) like Povetkin. David Price is not an elite / top level super heavyweight like how Joshua is, or how the Klitschkos are, or how Tyson Fury is.

In the heavyweight division, size, physical strength and punching power trumps boxing skills. A super heavyweight who is extremely powerful and strong, doesn't need to be too skilled to totally demolish, even the most skilled small heavyweights who aren't that strong.

Not only do I think Joshua stops Povetkin, but I think Joshua delivers one of, if not the most brutal, disgusting, gruesome and damaging knockouts ever seen in boxing history at the elite / top level in any weight division. And I think he'd do it within 1 -3 rounds. That's how much an astronomical mismatch this is IMO! I expect Joshua to knock Povetkin out unconscious for more than 5 minutes whilst also breaking multiple limbs, teeth, bones of him and putting him in a situation where he is forced to be carried out in a stretcher whilst Povetkin suffers from permanent, life long damage. Possibly mental / brain damage after the fight and after he retires. What Joshua would do to Povetkin is something I won't wish on my worst enemy!

Joshua deserves no credit for beating Povetkin IMO! Since he is expected to not only defeat Povetkin, but to totally brutally demolish him with no difficulties whatsoever. He deserves no more credit than a a 30 year old adult does for beating a 10 year old kid in a boxing match. That's how much of a mismatch this is. And anything short of an easy and a quick demolition job by Joshua on Povetkin would be seen as a poor performance by Joshua.

I just hope this fight never happens for the sake of health and safety of the significantly weaker and smaller boxer. Only in the heavyweight division can we as often, see such disgusting, gross and unappealing mismatches.

What a strange post.

How so?

Well for a start, saying things like;

I expect Joshua to knock Povetkin out unconscious for more than 5 minutes whilst also breaking multiple limbs, teeth, bones of him and putting him in a situation where he is forced to be carried out in a stretcher whilst Povetkin suffers from permanent, life long damage.

I mean its not very realistic is it? Joshua hasn't done that to any heavyweight, what makes you think he does it against a skilled top 5 heavyweight?

Joshua deserves credit for beating a top 3 heavyweight, because he's beaten a top 3 heavyweight. You may well not appreciate that because your understanding of boxing is clearly very poor, and whilst height, reach, strength are all important components of a match up, they do not make up the only important points. There are a large number of very successful heavyweights under the height of 6 foot, so only an idiot would dismiss Povetkin as a challenger so readily.

I don't think Povetkin wins, but your prediction is so incredibly wide of the mark that I'm worried for your state of mind.

Just to add a few other points, based on your other posts in this threat. The fact you believe that Takam is more skilled than Joshua really does damage your credibility. I'd love to know what basis you use to make such a statement? And adding Super Heavy as a weight category? Where does it end? You guna have a 220 category and a 240 category? The division is already devoid of any depth, so to strip it further would be counter productive. And by the way, it is quite ironic that you'd have Povetkin and Joshua in different categories (4 inch difference), whilst having Joshua and Fury in the same category (also 4 inch difference).

Anyway, please stop with the long posts, you're not adding any new material, other than repeating the same nonsensical rubbish, and thus spamming a good discussion topic.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:12

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:06

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 07:07

What a strange post.

How so?

Well for a start, saying things like;

I expect Joshua to knock Povetkin out unconscious for more than 5 minutes whilst also breaking multiple limbs, teeth, bones of him and putting him in a situation where he is forced to be carried out in a stretcher whilst Povetkin suffers from permanent, life long damage.

I mean its not very realistic is it? Joshua hasn't done that to any heavyweight, what makes you think he does it against a skilled top 5 heavyweight?

Joshua deserves credit for beating a top 3 heavyweight, because he's beaten a top 3 heavyweight. You may well not appreciate that because your understanding of boxing is clearly very poor, and whilst height, reach, strength are all important components of a match up, they do not make up the only important points. There are a large number of very successful heavyweights under the height of 6 foot, so only an idiot would dismiss Povetkin as a challenger so readily.

I don't think Povetkin wins, but your prediction is so incredibly wide of the mark that I'm worried for your state of mind.

Just to add a few other points, based on your other posts in this threat. The fact you believe that Takam is more skilled than Joshua really does damage your credibility. I'd love to know what basis you use to make such a statement? And adding Super Heavy as a weight category? Where does it end? You guna have a 220 category and a 240 category? The division is already devoid of any depth, so to strip it further would be counter productive. And by the way, it is quite ironic that you'd have Povetkin and Joshua in different categories (4 inch difference), whilst having Joshua and Fury in the same category (also 4 inch difference).

Anyway, please stop with the long posts, you're not adding any new material, other than repeating the same nonsensical rubbish, and thus spamming a good discussion topic.

That's indeed one of the most odd posts I've ever heard about Povetkin and I've seen a lot of them on here.
He (quite recently) fougth Wach and won quite clearly, that same Wach went to distance with Klitschko, AJ struggled a hell of a lot with Klitschko and now this same AJ will absolutely demolish Povetkin?

I'll tell you something: Povetkin isn't Stiverne!

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:16

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:12

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:06

How so?

Well for a start, saying things like;

I expect Joshua to knock Povetkin out unconscious for more than 5 minutes whilst also breaking multiple limbs, teeth, bones of him and putting him in a situation where he is forced to be carried out in a stretcher whilst Povetkin suffers from permanent, life long damage.

I mean its not very realistic is it? Joshua hasn't done that to any heavyweight, what makes you think he does it against a skilled top 5 heavyweight?

Joshua deserves credit for beating a top 3 heavyweight, because he's beaten a top 3 heavyweight. You may well not appreciate that because your understanding of boxing is clearly very poor, and whilst height, reach, strength are all important components of a match up, they do not make up the only important points. There are a large number of very successful heavyweights under the height of 6 foot, so only an idiot would dismiss Povetkin as a challenger so readily.

I don't think Povetkin wins, but your prediction is so incredibly wide of the mark that I'm worried for your state of mind.

Just to add a few other points, based on your other posts in this threat. The fact you believe that Takam is more skilled than Joshua really does damage your credibility. I'd love to know what basis you use to make such a statement? And adding Super Heavy as a weight category? Where does it end? You guna have a 220 category and a 240 category? The division is already devoid of any depth, so to strip it further would be counter productive. And by the way, it is quite ironic that you'd have Povetkin and Joshua in different categories (4 inch difference), whilst having Joshua and Fury in the same category (also 4 inch difference).

Anyway, please stop with the long posts, you're not adding any new material, other than repeating the same nonsensical rubbish, and thus spamming a good discussion topic.

That's indeed one of the most odd posts I've ever heard about Povetkin and I've seen a lot of them on here.
He (quite recently) fougth Wach and won quite clearly, that same Wach went to distance with Klitschko, AJ struggled a hell of a lot with Klitschko and now this same AJ will absolutely demolish Povetkin?

I'll tell you something: Povetkin isn't Stiverne!

In order of importance. Joshua vs Povetkin is just behind Joshua vs Wilder
Those are the 2 best match ups in the division.
Neither are mid matches and both should be entertaining.
I'm excited if either gets signed

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:19

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:16

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:12 Well for a start, saying things like;
I mean its not very realistic is it? Joshua hasn't done that to any heavyweight, what makes you think he does it against a skilled top 5 heavyweight?
Joshua deserves credit for beating a top 3 heavyweight, because he's beaten a top 3 heavyweight. You may well not appreciate that because your understanding of boxing is clearly very poor, and whilst height, reach, strength are all important components of a match up, they do not make up the only important points. There are a large number of very successful heavyweights under the height of 6 foot, so only an idiot would dismiss Povetkin as a challenger so readily.
I don't think Povetkin wins, but your prediction is so incredibly wide of the mark that I'm worried for your state of mind.
Just to add a few other points, based on your other posts in this threat. The fact you believe that Takam is more skilled than Joshua really does damage your credibility. I'd love to know what basis you use to make such a statement? And adding Super Heavy as a weight category? Where does it end? You guna have a 220 category and a 240 category? The division is already devoid of any depth, so to strip it further would be counter productive. And by the way, it is quite ironic that you'd have Povetkin and Joshua in different categories (4 inch difference), whilst having Joshua and Fury in the same category (also 4 inch difference).
Anyway, please stop with the long posts, you're not adding any new material, other than repeating the same nonsensical rubbish, and thus spamming a good discussion topic.

That's indeed one of the most odd posts I've ever heard about Povetkin and I've seen a lot of them on here.
He (quite recently) fougth Wach and won quite clearly, that same Wach went to distance with Klitschko, AJ struggled a hell of a lot with Klitschko and now this same AJ will absolutely demolish Povetkin?
I'll tell you something: Povetkin isn't Stiverne!

In order of importance. Joshua vs Povetkin is just behind Joshua vs Wilder
Those are the 2 best match ups in the division.
Neither are mid matches and both should be entertaining.
I'm excited if either gets signed

I think the Tyson Fury vs AJ is even bigger, but the rest of the fights are a hell of a lot smaller. I think a fight with Joe Joyce involved will grow very very fast soon somehow.

Povetkin can give Joshua a lot of trouble. To say AJ will win easily is a ridiculous statement. Nothing is easy about boxing. We'll see IF they fight, and if they do, we'll know soon enough.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:25

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:19

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:16
That's indeed one of the most odd posts I've ever heard about Povetkin and I've seen a lot of them on here.
He (quite recently) fougth Wach and won quite clearly, that same Wach went to distance with Klitschko, AJ struggled a hell of a lot with Klitschko and now this same AJ will absolutely demolish Povetkin?
I'll tell you something: Povetkin isn't Stiverne!

In order of importance. Joshua vs Povetkin is just behind Joshua vs Wilder
Those are the 2 best match ups in the division.
Neither are mid matches and both should be entertaining.
I'm excited if either gets signed

I think the Tyson Fury vs AJ is even bigger, but the rest of the fights are a hell of a lot smaller. I think a fight with Joe Joyce involved will grow very very fast soon somehow.

I'm holding off judgement on Joe Joyce until he steps up in competition.
I've been burnt too many times with sure fire prospects who failed.
But he looks good so far

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:49 Povetkin can give Joshua a lot of trouble. To say AJ will win easily is a ridiculous statement. Nothing is easy about boxing. We'll see IF they fight, and if they do, we'll know soon enough.

I rep getting a laugh out of the people who say this will be a replay of Povetkin vs Klitschko.
This fight won't be anything like it. Joshua will not hug him to death or wrestle him.
Povetkin though old is tough as nails.
Great match up

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:59

asdfjkl wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:25

tiny_acres wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:19
In order of importance. Joshua vs Povetkin is just behind Joshua vs Wilder
Those are the 2 best match ups in the division.
Neither are mid matches and both should be entertaining.
I'm excited if either gets signed

I think the Tyson Fury vs AJ is even bigger, but the rest of the fights are a hell of a lot smaller. I think a fight with Joe Joyce involved will grow very very fast soon somehow.

I'm holding off judgement on Joe Joyce until he steps up in competition.
I've been burnt too many times with sure fire prospects who failed.
But he looks good so far

Joyce is 32 y/o already.

dickbelden wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 12:29

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 11:44 Muhammad Ali, nor any other 'heavyweight' pre-1980 evver had to face modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like Anthony Joshua, Klitshcko brothers or Tyson Fury. Modern SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS that actually know how to use their size advantages.

ALI defeated buster mathis 6 foot 3 256 pounds

Buster Mathis isn't a modern super heavyweight like Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko. In terms of conditioning, athleticism and the ability to utilize size advantage due to knowledge of it.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑15 Apr 2018, 13:12

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 12:06

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 07:07

What a strange post.

How so?

Well for a start, saying things like;

I expect Joshua to knock Povetkin out unconscious for more than 5 minutes whilst also breaking multiple limbs, teeth, bones of him and putting him in a situation where he is forced to be carried out in a stretcher whilst Povetkin suffers from permanent, life long damage.

I mean its not very realistic is it? Joshua hasn't done that to any heavyweight, what makes you think he does it against a skilled top 5 heavyweight?

Joshua deserves credit for beating a top 3 heavyweight, because he's beaten a top 3 heavyweight. You may well not appreciate that because your understanding of boxing is clearly very poor, and whilst height, reach, strength are all important components of a match up, they do not make up the only important points. There are a large number of very successful heavyweights under the height of 6 foot, so only an idiot would dismiss Povetkin as a challenger so readily.

I don't think Povetkin wins, but your prediction is so incredibly wide of the mark that I'm worried for your state of mind.

Just to add a few other points, based on your other posts in this threat. The fact you believe that Takam is more skilled than Joshua really does damage your credibility. I'd love to know what basis you use to make such a statement? And adding Super Heavy as a weight category? Where does it end? You guna have a 220 category and a 240 category? The division is already devoid of any depth, so to strip it further would be counter productive. And by the way, it is quite ironic that you'd have Povetkin and Joshua in different categories (4 inch difference), whilst having Joshua and Fury in the same category (also 4 inch difference).

Anyway, please stop with the long posts, you're not adding any new material, other than repeating the same nonsensical rubbish, and thus spamming a good discussion topic.

Who has Joshua faced that has the combined attributes of Povetkin? A guy who:

1) Is 39 years old.

2) Is totally a washed up / shot fighter currently.

3) Is a very aggressive, high intensity pressure fighter (makes him more vulnerable and open to getting hit by Joshua).

Joshua never faced someone with the combined attributes of Povetkin before. Ergo, he never had the chance to do what I predict he would do to Povetkin.

And how is Povetkin a top 3 heavyweight? Based on what? What has he done recently to be a top 3 fighter?

Why should Joshua deserve credit for beating an opponent that he has nearly every advantage over? An opponent he could and really should be predicted to squash like a bug / grape / a little insect?

Size, physical strength and punching power are the MOST IMPORTANT attributes in the modern heavyweight division. Which is why in the last 2 decades, every dominant number 1 heavyweight has had those attributes. Nobody shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in the last decade has been a better heavyweight than Povetkin. However, Povetkin himself is inferior to elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. He has practically 0 chance at beating them. Even though he would probably be favored to beat any opponent his own size = greater reason for the existence of another weight division.

Why is Takam more skilled than Joshua? Because he has better head movement. He moves his head more. He counter punches better. He is faster in terms of overall body movement. He has greater arsenal of defensive moves and etc.

What greater skills did Joshua show against Takam, other than just moving forward and simply overwhelming Takam through imposing his insanely greater physical strength and punching power? The difference in that fight wasn't through skills. It was based on Joshua being able to take Takam's punches (due to being much bigger and stronger) whilst Takam not being able to take Joshua's punches as well (because of Joshua's size and physical strength advantages). Joshua looked slower and more limited than Takam in that fight. Yet, Joshua still beat Takam because of his size, physical strength and punching power. The same was the case when Eddie Chambers and Wladimir Klitschko fought each other.

I'd prefer it if there was a heavyweight division from 200 - 220 / 225 / 230 pounds. Whilst there was a separate super heavyweight division above that.

Joshua is 250 pounds of almost pure muscles. Whilst Povetkin is barely a 230 pound heavyweight with high quantity of fat and with nowhere near as much muscles as Joshua. Remove the fat, Povetkin would probably be a cruiser weight. So Joshua and Povetkin absolutely aren't the same size and absolutely don't belong in the same weight division or in the ring against each other.

Meanwhile, a healthy Tyson Fury weighs the same as Joshua in terms of functional body weight. So both Fury and Joshua are absolutely the same size.

Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑16 Apr 2018, 08:11 2) Is totally a washed up / shot fighter currently

What exactly makes Povetkin washed up?

Joshua never faced someone with the combined attributes of Povetkin before. Ergo, he never had the chance to do what I predict he would do to Povetkin

What's the point of this comment? Joshua faced much more inferior opposition than Povetkin....

And how is Povetkin a top 3 heavyweight? Based on what? What has he done recently to be a top 3 fighter?

Povetkin has throughout his career maintained a good level of opposition, with a good KO ratio, with only one defeat against the standout No1. There are very few in the division who stand up to his record. Who do you consider the top 3?

Why should Joshua deserve credit for beating an opponent that he has nearly every advantage over? An opponent he could and really should be predicted to squash like a bug / grape / a little insect

Because he's the third highest ranked heavyweight and highly rated by the majority of the governing bodies.

Size, physical strength and punching power are the MOST IMPORTANT attributes in the modern heavyweight division. Which is why in the last 2 decades, every dominant number 1 heavyweight has had those attributes. Nobody shorter than 6 foot 4 inches in the last decade has been a better heavyweight than Povetkin. However, Povetkin himself is inferior to elite SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS like the Klitschkos, Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. He has practically 0 chance at beating them. Even though he would probably be favored to beat any opponent his own size = greater reason for the existence of another weight division.

Tyson Fury only has one of those attributes (size) and he won quite comfortably against Klitschko. I think you underestimate the importance of skill. Not everyone in the heavyweight division is a knockout artist. Anybody with a basic boxing understanding knows this.

Why is Takam more skilled than Joshua? Because he has better head movement. He moves his head more. He counter punches better. He is faster in terms of overall body movement. He has greater arsenal of defensive moves and etc.

What greater skills did Joshua show against Takam, other than just moving forward and simply overwhelming Takam through imposing his insanely greater physical strength and punching power? The difference in that fight wasn't through skills. It was based on Joshua being able to take Takam's punches (due to being much bigger and stronger) whilst Takam not being able to take Joshua's punches as well (because of Joshua's size and physical strength advantages). Joshua looked slower and more limited than Takam in that fight. Yet, Joshua still beat Takam because of his size, physical strength and punching power. The same was the case when Eddie Chambers and Wladimir Klitschko fought each other.

Takam moves his head more and gets punched more. Where was there any demonstration of Takam counter punching? The state of Takam's face after the fight tells me that his head movement and defensive skill is not very advanced.

In fact I think many would agree here that Joshua's size actually served as a disadvantage than an advantage, as it very much limited his movement and his engine.

Joshua is 250 pounds of almost pure muscles. Whilst Povetkin is barely a 230 pound heavyweight with high quantity of fat and with nowhere near as much muscles as Joshua. Remove the fat, Povetkin would probably be a cruiser weight. So Joshua and Povetkin absolutely aren't the same size and absolutely don't belong in the same weight division or in the ring against each other.

Deontay Wilder was 214 lb in his last fight. So based on your assessment, Joshua and Wilder would never meet?

Meanwhile, a healthy Tyson Fury weighs the same as Joshua in terms of functional body weight. So both Fury and Joshua are absolutely the same size.

They're not the same size (as I stated in the previous post), there's a 4 inch height difference. In regards to weight, against Chisora he was 264 lb and against Abell was 274 lb. That's 32 lb heavier than Joshua was against Parker, whereas there's only a 13 lb between Joshua and Povetkin.

POVETKIN seems to think he NOW leads for AJ fight ! https://www.BS.com/povetkin-pr ... ua--127251