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13/2 are not the true odds.... If Duahaupas had a 30% chance to win and you could get those odds you would be foolish not to bet on him... If he has 1 chance in 50 of winning, you would be foolish to bet on him at those odds... You're going to get wiped out almost certainly... And that's actually closer to the true odds.

Kalan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:04 13/2 are not the true odds.... If Duahaupas had a 30% chance to win and you could get those odds you would be foolish not to bet on him... If he has 1 chance in 50 of winning, you would be foolish to bet on him at those odds... You're going to get wiped out almost certainly... And that's actually closer to the true odds.

You’re going to see that duhauppas has at least a 30 per cent chance to win this one, provided he comes in in shape and with ambition.

jamamb wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:00 im not defensive, im just not seeing how that line can be used at all in the way it was, of joes best 3 wins he easily couldve lost 2 of them, neither vs top 10 guys, bizarre to act like parkers record is just so good that you cant pick wilder over him

It wasn't an endorsement of what he said. I just like a cheeky retort, a bit of repartee, whether it's an accurate assessment or not.

I agree Joe could have lost a decision against Takam, Ruiz or Fury (I had him shading them all but I wouldn't complain if anyone took issue with any of them) at the same time Wilder hasn't impressed in every fight and Joshua too, has attracted criticism.

I refuse to denigrate Deontay's win over Ortiz because past his best or not, Ortiz represented the toughest opponent (at least in theory) that he could have faced outside of a unification fight. Having said that, take Ortiz out of the equation and none of Deontay's challengers would be a betting favourite against Takam or Ruiz and maybe not, Fury.

Like I said I believe Wilder is likely to beat Parker but I wouldn't argue with anyone who said Parker had faced better opposition .

Apologies for straying off topic.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:19

Kalan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:04 13/2 are not the true odds.... If Duahaupas had a 30% chance to win and you could get those odds you would be foolish not to bet on him... If he has 1 chance in 50 of winning, you would be foolish to bet on him at those odds... You're going to get wiped out almost certainly... And that's actually closer to the true odds.

You’re going to see that duhauppas has at least a 30 per cent chance to win this one, provided he comes in in shape and with ambition.

I know that he got this match on long time notice, so he will be in the shape of his life (unlike in many of his fights before he stopped his job). He's just not that good, he's about the level of David Price.

An odd choice for comparison if you don't mind my saying so. Price and Duhaupas are as far apart as almost any two heavyweights I can think of. Make a boxer out of the best attributes of both and you've got a top contender.

I see Duhaupas as being similar in style, or more so attibutes, to Mariusz Wach and Dominic Breazeale

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:19

Kalan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:04 13/2 are not the true odds.... If Duahaupas had a 30% chance to win and you could get those odds you would be foolish not to bet on him... If he has 1 chance in 50 of winning, you would be foolish to bet on him at those odds... You're going to get wiped out almost certainly... And that's actually closer to the true odds.

You’re going to see that duhauppas has at least a 30 per cent chance to win this one, provided he comes in in shape and with ambition.

Miller opened a 10-1 favorite.

He has now risen to 12-1.

I guess that means Duahuapas has only about an 8% chance to win, if you want to play the percentages game.

I give him 0.5% chance. Just because of the always possible eye cut win.

asdfjkl wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 05:55

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:19

Kalan wrote: ↑14 Apr 2018, 03:04 13/2 are not the true odds.... If Duahaupas had a 30% chance to win and you could get those odds you would be foolish not to bet on him... If he has 1 chance in 50 of winning, you would be foolish to bet on him at those odds... You're going to get wiped out almost certainly... And that's actually closer to the true odds.

You’re going to see that duhauppas has at least a 30 per cent chance to win this one, provided he comes in in shape and with ambition.

I know that he got this match on long time notice, so he will be in the shape of his life (unlike in many of his fights before he stopped his job). He's just not that good, he's about the level of David Price.

David Price didn't hand Helenius his first & only knock out loss. David Price also never beat the current WBA scoobie doo regular champion in Manuel Charr. Duhaupas will take on anyone. Name another HW that took on the level of competition he did in a 20 month span. He fought Teper, Charr, Wilder, Helenius & Povetkin. Sure he was 2-3 but he could easily be 3-2 in those fights as the Teper fight could have went either way as it was very close. It was also Johann's first step up fight. He is a top 20 HW but will unlikely ever crack the top 10. To be fair the guy takes fights on short notice because he is all about the money. Many fighters will decline a fight on short notice to preserve their ranking while Duhaupas doesn't seem to care too much about a full training camp if the money is right. This Miller fight is his chance to get back in range of a title shot & earn him some HBO money. He is 37 & has nothing to lose. He seems to get fights & he is willing to go on the road to earn a living. He is not a world beater but wins over Charr & Helenius can't be disregarded. Helenius was never the same after the Chisora fight but Duhaupas ended any chance he had of getting back in the mix. The road to the top 10 goes thru Duhaupas...

In Big Baby's case, the road to the top 10 runs right over Duhaupus.

This fight will NOT be competitive.

Big Baby is very good against smaller heavys but looks average against the larger ones. Like Wach for example, where he can't lean on them and tire them down . Duhaupas may be a liver underdog than given credit for.

the midpoint odds NOW---BIG BABY is a 12-1 fav---5dimes.

marvelous marv wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 00:15 Big Baby is very good against smaller heavys but looks average against the larger ones. Like Wach for example, where he can't lean on them and tire them down . Duhaupas may be a liver underdog than given credit for.

Miller out landed Wach 4 to 1.
It was a shut out by most scorecards.
He did not look average in my opinion

I think this should be a good one. Unlike everyone else i don't know who will win. Joe Strong is right, Duhaupas, in order to make money, has been taking last minute fights. He didn't have time to train properly plus he was injured in the Wilder fight, for example. On the other hand i thought that the baby's stock went down in the Wach fight and i think he's very lucky that Wach was out of shape and hurt. Bookie odds range between 9 and 16 to one. If i dealt with bookies, which i don't, I'd take that 16-1 and bet on D.

And you'd lose your ass.... "D" doesn't have the chance of a snowflake in Hell.

miller wins comfortably

jamamb wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 03:46 miller wins comfortably

Agree. Duhaupas is damaged goods. He's getting stopped in 6.

Miller has too much for Duhaupas, I’d give le Frenchie a better chance if he was at the level of a couple of years ago but I think he’s past his peak. However, if Miller wants any chance of competing for world titles then he has to shed a few pounds...

tiny_acres wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 00:34

marvelous marv wrote: ↑23 Apr 2018, 00:15 Big Baby is very good against smaller heavys but looks average against the larger ones. Like Wach for example, where he can't lean on them and tire them down . Duhaupas may be a liver underdog than given credit for.

Miller out landed Wach 4 to 1.
It was a shut out by most scorecards.
He did not look average in my opinion

Yes. Some fans argue that if. the touted favorite doesn't knock his opponent out within 2 or 3 rounds, then you just look "average."

Dominating over rounds isn't good enough.

Duhaupas is a pretty sturdy contender. No World beater, but it often takes some doing to knock him out, and I don't know if 50 pounds overweight Miller is gonna have the stamina to be able to attack consistently enough to get a stoppage.

He'll win though.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑13 Apr 2018, 17:03 Miller doesn’t impress me at all. If duhaupas comes in well prepared and hasn’t declined since wilder I’ll be backing him if I can get better than 4/1 or so.

For those if you who have strangely fallen in love with Duhaupus's chances against Miller, please be advised that the Big Baby has soared to a 1-25 choice to win in a cakewalk on The Greek wagering site.

Riddick Blowe, here is the opportunity you're seeking.

Wager on Duhaupus and you're offered a juicy 12-1 back.

Makes those 4-1 odds you're holding out for seem like a piker's dream.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:09 Duhaupas is a pretty sturdy contender. No World beater, but it often takes some doing to knock him out, and I don't know if 50 pounds overweight Miller is gonna have the stamina to be able to attack consistently enough to get a stoppage.

He'll win though.

Cardio is Miller's only real question mark.

But if Duhaupus tastes the power early and decides to go into a defensive shell for the remainder of the fight, then stamina won't enter the equation.

It will be just an extended routine gym workout for the Big Baby.

SenorPipino wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:33

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:09 Duhaupas is a pretty sturdy contender. No World beater, but it often takes some doing to knock him out, and I don't know if 50 pounds overweight Miller is gonna have the stamina to be able to attack consistently enough to get a stoppage.

He'll win though.

Cardio is Miller's only real question mark.

But if Duhaupus tastes the power early and decides to go into a defensive shell for the remainder of the fight, then stamina won't enter the equation.

It will be just an extended routine gym workout for the Big Baby.

It's not even really a question mark. It's a definite weakness. Anybody that's carrying around that much excess FAT is gonna be a lesser athlete than they could be in most sports.

Excess weight in Boxing isn't an advantage even when it's muscle, it certainly ain't helping when it's fat, and Miller looks to be AT LEAST 40 pounds overweight.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Apr 2018, 13:38 How do you SEE the Miller V. Johann Duhaupas fight go?
How do you WANT to see the Miller V. Johann Duhaupas fight go?

My expectation is that JD makes it competitive the first two or three rounds. Then Miller grinds through the gears and forces a mercy stoppage by round 9 or so.

I'd prefer it if Miller blasts him away early and looks as good as possible doing it. He has more upside so him doing well adds extra excitement to the division potentially. Or a rock-em-sock-em style classic, whoever wins would of course be good too.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 13:42

SenorPipino wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:33

gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Apr 2018, 12:09 Duhaupas is a pretty sturdy contender. No World beater, but it often takes some doing to knock him out, and I don't know if 50 pounds overweight Miller is gonna have the stamina to be able to attack consistently enough to get a stoppage.

He'll win though.

Cardio is Miller's only real question mark.

But if Duhaupus tastes the power early and decides to go into a defensive shell for the remainder of the fight, then stamina won't enter the equation.

It will be just an extended routine gym workout for the Big Baby.

It's not even really a question mark. It's a definite weakness. Anybody that's carrying around that much excess FAT is gonna be a lesser athlete than they could be in most sports.

Excess weight in Boxing isn't an advantage even when it's muscle, it certainly ain't helping when it's fat, and Miller looks to be AT LEAST 40 pounds overweight.

I don't think that Miller will drop significant pounds until he comes up against a top rated opponent, gasses completely out late and is stopped.

Right now, since he's unbeaten, Miller's convinced that his weight is no detriment.

The Big Baby will need someone to demonstrate that he can't succeed at the highest level when he waddles at near 300 pounds.

But Duhaupas isn't that someone.

I agree with that, but Duhaupas might still be good enough that he forces him to go the distance even though I don't expect Duhaupas to be able to win.

Guess my weight and win!*

*there is nothing to win.