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Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 12:59
by Loki
jamamb wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:58 114-112 tyson fury
Spot on. I think Wilder over trained. I’ve not seen him gas like that before.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:01
by gilgamesh
Loki wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:59
jamamb wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:58 114-112 tyson fury
Spot on. I think Wilder over trained. I’ve not seen him gas like that before.
Probably would've been better for him to have more weight behind his shots too. I think 219 or the low 220's would've been an ideal weight to have brought into the ring.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
by squiggy
Duran1970 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:36 C'mon people...no robbery.. if you had fury by a couple points ok...but to say Wilder only won the rounds he scored knockdowns in is very inaccurate...did fury do enough to beat the champ?...alot of those rounds he did very little..alot of posturing holding moving etc...Wilder landed little also but this was not a 10-2 or 9-3 fury..that's pure nonsense.
The thing about rounds where a guy "does very little" is that he still wins them if his opponent is accomplishing less than he was.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
by DrDuke
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:45
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:07
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:02

No, he wants to be the people's champ but he never will be because he's a juicer. Don't be fooled by all the shite coming out of his mouth.

Anthony Joshua is the people's champion. You know, the guy selling out football stadiums every time he fights. :TU:
Calling someone else a juicer, when Joshua's name is in the same sentence, is a crime.
Which of these two boxers have failed a drugs test, refused another and had a suspended licence for the aforementioned offences?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

Which of these fighters sells out 70-90000 stadiums every time he fights?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

It's clear who is the juicer and it's clear who is the people's champion. Was Staples even sold out last night? I heard there were 4000 unsold tickets and it's only 21000 capacity.
I don't wear pink sunglasses to think, that someone is clean among high level professional athletes. And Fury has just fought in the USA, where nobody knows thier HW champ. Fury hasn't fought yet a championship fight in Britain, it's impossible to compare reasonably his popularity with Joshua's one. In the current situation Fury is The People's Champ in the sense, that he is treated like a winner of the title fight against Wilder by the majority of boxing fans. And his performance is generally accepted as an impressive one.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:03
by ironbeard
gilgamesh wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:01
Loki wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:59
jamamb wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 02:58 114-112 tyson fury
Spot on. I think Wilder over trained. I’ve not seen him gas like that before.
Probably would've been better for him to have more weight behind his shots too. I think 219 or the low 220's would've been an ideal weight to have brought into the ring.
:TU: 100% agree.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:22
by Ricky
Tyson Fury has an incredibly poor offence.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:22
by Duran1970
squiggy wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Duran1970 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:36 C'mon people...no robbery.. if you had fury by a couple points ok...but to say Wilder only won the rounds he scored knockdowns in is very inaccurate...did fury do enough to beat the champ?...alot of those rounds he did very little..alot of posturing holding moving etc...Wilder landed little also but this was not a 10-2 or 9-3 fury..that's pure nonsense.
The thing about rounds where a guy "does very little" is that he still wins them if his opponent is accomplishing less than he was.
I agree

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:24
by ironbeard
squiggy wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Duran1970 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:36 C'mon people...no robbery.. if you had fury by a couple points ok...but to say Wilder only won the rounds he scored knockdowns in is very inaccurate...did fury do enough to beat the champ?...alot of those rounds he did very little..alot of posturing holding moving etc...Wilder landed little also but this was not a 10-2 or 9-3 fury..that's pure nonsense.
The thing about rounds where a guy "does very little" is that he still wins them if his opponent is accomplishing less than he was.
True. That is why I had Wilder winning comfortably.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:33
by greg
..I thought Fury was edging it, considering the location, a number of close rounds and 2 knockdowns have no problem with a draw..

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:39
by Onetimeonly
I didn't score it, but there was a ton of rounds you may as well have flipped a coin. 9-12 were the only clear rounds that come to mind. 8 swing rounds or so.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:56
by funso banjo baby
Fury won

Fury retains his world title

third defence

sod the corrupt mobs

and balls to the boxrec points system which is exposed yet again by such unethical cactivity in USA

legitimate crime

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 13:59
by tiny_acres
Onetimeonly wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:39 I didn't score it, but there was a ton of rounds you may as well have flipped a coin. 9-12 were the only clear rounds that come to mind. 8 swing rounds or so.
You will not convince anyone. Their minds are made up.
I watched it again this morning and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a draw was fair. If either fighter won by a round I'd have no problem.
People were impressed with showboating and 15-20 seconds of the end of each round for Fury.
7 rounds were close rounds.
2 knockdown rounds were clearly Wilders
3 rounds convincingly for Fury.
With 7 close rounds this was any man's fight

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:05
by Tony1244
I had it a draw. Many rounds were close. This was not a robbery.

I think some people gave close rounds to Fury because of body language. Clowning and changing expressions shouldn't count.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:07
by tiny_acres
Tony1244 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:05 I had it a draw. Many rounds were close. This was not a robbery.

I think some people gave close rounds to Fury because of body language. Clowning and changing expressions shouldn't count.
It was a good decision. A draw was the right call.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:09
by snake33
Fury schooled Wilder the entire fight except for two knockdowns.
And nobody thought Fury would get up the second time.
Fury will win easily in a rematch.

But with Wilder being the champ a draw is a reasonable expectation.
The champ always gets an edge and maybe should.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:09
by Onetimeonly
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:07
Tony1244 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:05 I had it a draw. Many rounds were close. This was not a robbery.

I think some people gave close rounds to Fury because of body language. Clowning and changing expressions shouldn't count.
It was a good decision. A draw was the right call.
Seemed fair to me. Terrible fight.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:10
by tiny_acres
Onetimeonly wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:09
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:07
Tony1244 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:05 I had it a draw. Many rounds were close. This was not a robbery.

I think some people gave close rounds to Fury because of body language. Clowning and changing expressions shouldn't count.
It was a good decision. A draw was the right call.
Seemed fair to me. Terrible fight.
I liked the fight. I was entertained.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:13
by Onetimeonly
It was dramatic. I doubt the replay value is much for me. Amazing that wilder came up with what he needed and even more amazing that fury got up. There was a tremendous amount of will displayed, if not skill.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:19
by Tony1244
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:10
Onetimeonly wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:09
tiny_acres wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:07

It was a good decision. A draw was the right call.
Seemed fair to me. Terrible fight.
I liked the fight. I was entertained.
I enjoyed the fight. I don't get the robbery stuff.

I had Fury winning 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11 and all those rounds were fairly close, Not crazy to call any of those for Wilder.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:22
by Quantrax
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:45
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 11:07

Calling someone else a juicer, when Joshua's name is in the same sentence, is a crime.
Which of these two boxers have failed a drugs test, refused another and had a suspended licence for the aforementioned offences?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

Which of these fighters sells out 70-90000 stadiums every time he fights?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

It's clear who is the juicer and it's clear who is the people's champion. Was Staples even sold out last night? I heard there were 4000 unsold tickets and it's only 21000 capacity.
I don't wear pink sunglasses to think, that someone is clean among high level professional athletes. And Fury has just fought in the USA, where nobody knows thier HW champ. Fury hasn't fought yet a championship fight in Britain, it's impossible to compare reasonably his popularity with Joshua's one. In the current situation Fury is The People's Champ in the sense, that he is treated like a winner of the title fight against Wilder by the majority of boxing fans. And his performance is generally accepted as an impressive one.
Fury has been suspended as a drug cheat, Joshua hasn't. Your opinion is irrelevant, your sunglasses are irrelevant, these are the facts.

Fury isn't the people's champ in any sense. He can't sell out a 21000 stadium, AJ sells out stadiums 4x that size.

He isn't treated as the winner of the fight by anyone. The fight was a draw, though some people disagree.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:24
by dagilechia
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:22
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:45

Which of these two boxers have failed a drugs test, refused another and had a suspended licence for the aforementioned offences?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

Which of these fighters sells out 70-90000 stadiums every time he fights?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

It's clear who is the juicer and it's clear who is the people's champion. Was Staples even sold out last night? I heard there were 4000 unsold tickets and it's only 21000 capacity.
I don't wear pink sunglasses to think, that someone is clean among high level professional athletes. And Fury has just fought in the USA, where nobody knows thier HW champ. Fury hasn't fought yet a championship fight in Britain, it's impossible to compare reasonably his popularity with Joshua's one. In the current situation Fury is The People's Champ in the sense, that he is treated like a winner of the title fight against Wilder by the majority of boxing fans. And his performance is generally accepted as an impressive one.
Fury has been suspended as a drug cheat, Joshua hasn't. Your opinion is irrelevant, your sunglasses are irrelevant, these are the facts.

Fury isn't the people's champ in any sense. He can't sell out a 21000 stadium, AJ sells out stadiums 4x that size.

He isn't treated as the winner of the fight by anyone. The fight was a draw, though some people disagree.
to be fair i guess this fight could sell out Wembley or Old Trafford

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:24
by Tony1244
Duran1970 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 03:05 7-5 Fury
113-113
Hats off to fury for coming over and showing great heart..could've been a little busier.... definitely not a robbery.
Exactly what I had.

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:25
by tiny_acres
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:22
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:45

Which of these two boxers have failed a drugs test, refused another and had a suspended licence for the aforementioned offences?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

Which of these fighters sells out 70-90000 stadiums every time he fights?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

It's clear who is the juicer and it's clear who is the people's champion. Was Staples even sold out last night? I heard there were 4000 unsold tickets and it's only 21000 capacity.
I don't wear pink sunglasses to think, that someone is clean among high level professional athletes. And Fury has just fought in the USA, where nobody knows thier HW champ. Fury hasn't fought yet a championship fight in Britain, it's impossible to compare reasonably his popularity with Joshua's one. In the current situation Fury is The People's Champ in the sense, that he is treated like a winner of the title fight against Wilder by the majority of boxing fans. And his performance is generally accepted as an impressive one.
Fury has been suspended as a drug cheat, Joshua hasn't. Your opinion is irrelevant, your sunglasses are irrelevant, these are the facts.

Fury isn't the people's champ in any sense. He can't sell out a 21000 stadium, AJ sells out stadiums 4x that size.

He isn't treated as the winner of the fight by anyone. The fight was a draw, though some people disagree.
Though I agree with some of your post.
Ticket sales does not determine who is the champ

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:26
by tiny_acres
Tony1244 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:24
Duran1970 wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 03:05 7-5 Fury
113-113
Hats off to fury for coming over and showing great heart..could've been a little busier.... definitely not a robbery.
Exactly what I had.
You had it that way because it was the correct score :lol:

Re: FURY VS WILDER POLL

Posted: 02 Dec 2018, 14:28
by DrDuke
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 14:22
DrDuke wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 13:02
Quantrax wrote: 02 Dec 2018, 12:45

Which of these two boxers have failed a drugs test, refused another and had a suspended licence for the aforementioned offences?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

Which of these fighters sells out 70-90000 stadiums every time he fights?

a) Anthony Joshua
b) Tyson Fury

It's clear who is the juicer and it's clear who is the people's champion. Was Staples even sold out last night? I heard there were 4000 unsold tickets and it's only 21000 capacity.
I don't wear pink sunglasses to think, that someone is clean among high level professional athletes. And Fury has just fought in the USA, where nobody knows thier HW champ. Fury hasn't fought yet a championship fight in Britain, it's impossible to compare reasonably his popularity with Joshua's one. In the current situation Fury is The People's Champ in the sense, that he is treated like a winner of the title fight against Wilder by the majority of boxing fans. And his performance is generally accepted as an impressive one.
Fury has been suspended as a drug cheat, Joshua hasn't. Your opinion is irrelevant, your sunglasses are irrelevant, these are the facts.

Fury isn't the people's champ in any sense. He can't sell out a 21000 stadium, AJ sells out stadiums 4x that size.

He isn't treated as the winner of the fight by anyone. The fight was a draw, though some people disagree.
Some? Just some people? Well, that some is somehow is the majority of them.