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Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 05:54
by MF DOOM
RKY wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 23:39
Covfefe wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 20:39
ewenhay wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 15:35 I don't think Hatton would have beaten Cotto. Cotto was a beast at 140.
Maybe not, but the view was much more split at the time.
Cotto would have cleaned his fcking clock.
In your spectacularly uninformed opinion. And despite the fact that Cotto was dropped and rocked more than once against one of the undefeated and hungry fighters he faced as a titlist, in a fight where it looked like making weight was taking its toll, and taken the distance by the other.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 06:06
by Boxerbeetle
Yeah I always thought Cotto looked a bit fragile at 140 which was why I thought Hatton might well have broken him down (was it Corley who really shook him up?) Anyway, he looked much stronger after moving up.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 06:10
by MF DOOM
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:06 Yeah I always thought Cotto looked a bit fragile at 140 which was why I thought Hatton might well have broken him down (was it Corley who really shook him up?) Anyway, he looked much stronger after moving up.
Nonsense. Cotto was as strong as an ox at 140. He made the conscious decision to look like a refugee from Treblinka on the scales and the reason he was ushered off them wrapped in a towel was down to the fact that he is an avid James Brown fan.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 06:31
by Boxerbeetle
MF DOOM wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:10
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:06 Yeah I always thought Cotto looked a bit fragile at 140 which was why I thought Hatton might well have broken him down (was it Corley who really shook him up?) Anyway, he looked much stronger after moving up.
Nonsense. Cotto was as strong as an ox at 140. He made the conscious decision to look like a refugee from Treblinka on the scales and the reason he was ushered off them wrapped in a towel was down to the fact that he is an avid James Brown fan.
Perhaps I was wrong, but I was convinced at the time that he could be fragile if pressured by someone like Hatton. Strong but fragile, the same as I always thought Kovalev was. Although yeah, in hindsight I was obviously wrong about Cotto.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 06:49
by MF DOOM
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:31
MF DOOM wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:10
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:06 Yeah I always thought Cotto looked a bit fragile at 140 which was why I thought Hatton might well have broken him down (was it Corley who really shook him up?) Anyway, he looked much stronger after moving up.
Nonsense. Cotto was as strong as an ox at 140. He made the conscious decision to look like a refugee from Treblinka on the scales and the reason he was ushered off them wrapped in a towel was down to the fact that he is an avid James Brown fan.
Perhaps I was wrong, but I was convinced at the time that he could be fragile if pressured by someone like Hatton. Strong but fragile, the same as I always thought Kovalev was. Although yeah, in hindsight I was obviously wrong about Cotto.
I was messing about. He was struggling badly at the weight according to the experts, but RKY came along years later and cured him of all those problems. It is the miracle of Christmas.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 07:03
by Boxerbeetle
MF DOOM wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:49
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:31
MF DOOM wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:10

Nonsense. Cotto was as strong as an ox at 140. He made the conscious decision to look like a refugee from Treblinka on the scales and the reason he was ushered off them wrapped in a towel was down to the fact that he is an avid James Brown fan.
Perhaps I was wrong, but I was convinced at the time that he could be fragile if pressured by someone like Hatton. Strong but fragile, the same as I always thought Kovalev was. Although yeah, in hindsight I was obviously wrong about Cotto.
I was messing about. He was struggling badly at the weight according to the experts, but RKY came along years later and cured him of all those problems. It is the miracle of Christmas.
It is easy to view a fighter in a certain way after making your mind up about him though. I remember saying to my mates ‘see, always told you he was fragile!’ after Cotto got stopped by Margarito. Not my finest hour, considering what we learned afterwards :oops:

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 07:17
by MF DOOM
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 07:03
MF DOOM wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:49
Boxerbeetle wrote: 07 Dec 2018, 06:31

Perhaps I was wrong, but I was convinced at the time that he could be fragile if pressured by someone like Hatton. Strong but fragile, the same as I always thought Kovalev was. Although yeah, in hindsight I was obviously wrong about Cotto.
I was messing about. He was struggling badly at the weight according to the experts, but RKY came along years later and cured him of all those problems. It is the miracle of Christmas.
It is easy to view a fighter in a certain way after making your mind up about him though. I remember saying to my mates ‘see, always told you he was fragile!’ after Cotto got stopped by Margarito. Not my finest hour, considering what we learned afterwards :oops:
I was gutted when he lost to Margarito, even more so in the aftermath. Shane cleaning the cheat's clock in great style was a brilliant feel good moment in boxing.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 07 Dec 2018, 09:01
by Covfefe
RKY wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 23:39
Covfefe wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 20:39
ewenhay wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 15:35 I don't think Hatton would have beaten Cotto. Cotto was a beast at 140.
Maybe not, but the view was much more split at the time.
Cotto would have cleaned his fcking clock.
Who was better than Hatton in the division when he beat Paulie??

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 08 Dec 2018, 18:14
by ALI
ewenhay wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 15:35 I don't think Hatton would have beaten Cotto. Cotto was a beast at 140.
Agreed, i always thought Cotto would have handled him comfortably.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 09 Dec 2018, 15:10
by Cojimar 1946
I don't see how people can be sure Haye was the best of his era, he didn't face many of his most dangerous potential rivals.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 12 Dec 2018, 05:06
by actjac
MF DOOM wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 07:15 Which is a shame as a fit, two-fisted Haye should have been a force at heavyweight. He got too right hand happy and didn’t get back to somewhere near his best until the Chisora fight, and by then it was far too late. Haye is a wasted talent IMO. One of the biggest disappointments during my time watching boxing.
Even now he tries to stay relevant. . . . and still there will be those British fans who can't let go and will call for a fight versus Joshua or Fury or Joyce or Dubois or even Wilder. . . . *sigh*

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 12 Dec 2018, 09:14
by Onetimeonly
actjac wrote: 12 Dec 2018, 05:06
MF DOOM wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 07:15 Which is a shame as a fit, two-fisted Haye should have been a force at heavyweight. He got too right hand happy and didn’t get back to somewhere near his best until the Chisora fight, and by then it was far too late. Haye is a wasted talent IMO. One of the biggest disappointments during my time watching boxing.
Even now he tries to stay relevant. . . . and still there will be those British fans who can't let go and will call for a fight versus Joshua or Fury or Joyce or Dubois or even Wilder. . . . *sigh*
He's retired, get a life.

Re: A sincere question from an American fan

Posted: 12 Dec 2018, 09:17
by MF DOOM
actjac wrote: 12 Dec 2018, 05:06
MF DOOM wrote: 06 Dec 2018, 07:15 Which is a shame as a fit, two-fisted Haye should have been a force at heavyweight. He got too right hand happy and didn’t get back to somewhere near his best until the Chisora fight, and by then it was far too late. Haye is a wasted talent IMO. One of the biggest disappointments during my time watching boxing.
Even now he tries to stay relevant. . . . and still there will be those British fans who can't let go and will call for a fight versus Joshua or Fury or Joyce or Dubois or even Wilder. . . . *sigh*
I've not heard anyone call for Haye to fight on.