skanksta wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 07:52
Gents, If you DON'T think that is a sexual assault..,
Just imagine a gay man - with the size and presence of Pulev - deciding YOUR lips were so kissable he just couldn't help himself.
Would you think that was acceptable at work ?
I'm not sure that is a reasonable analogy. I've nothing against homosexuals - whatever floats your boat and all that, but for me to feel as repulsed by an unsolicited kiss on the lips by a tall, sweaty, half naked, thirty something female athlete, as I would by the idea of being similar treated by Kubrat Pulev ... well she'd have to be something special and not in a good way
Sorry Kubrat, I'd probably feel differently if I were a woman. He shouldn't have done what he did and I wouldn't have been happy had it been one of my daughters, but nobody died and it's important to keep a little perspective.
skanksta wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 07:52
Gents, If you DON'T think that is a sexual assault..,
Just imagine a gay man - with the size and presence of Pulev - deciding YOUR lips were so kissable he just couldn't help himself.
Would you think that was acceptable at work ?
I'm not sure that is a reasonable analogy. I've nothing against homosexuals - whatever floats your boat and all that, but for me to feel as repulsed by an unsolicited kiss on the lips by a tall, sweaty, half naked, thirty something female athlete, as I would by the idea of being similar treated by Kubrat Pulev ... well she'd have to be something special and not in a good way
Sorry Kubrat, I'd probably feel differently if I were a woman. He shouldn't have done what he did and I wouldn't have been happy had it been one of my daughters, but nobody died and it's important to keep a little perspective.
There’s not the same implied threat if a woman did the same thing to a man though, is there.
Context is everything here. If the two are actually friends as pulev says, it’ll make the metoo brigade look kind of silly. If not, it’s hardly the sort of behaviour that should be regarded as normal and acceptable.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 04:08
by candyslim
I agree that there can be a significant implied threat in this kind of assault by a male on a female but I think that factor can be discounted in such a very public occasion in front of all the cameras.
The lady certainly had a right to feel violated, but I doubt she would have felt intimidated or threatened.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 05:34
by Blodhemn
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 05:50
by Bard of Boxrec
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
Just read that the girl has actually commented on it and regarded it as weird.
In this context pulev was out of line. I’m no fan of political correctness but you can’t just randomly go round kissing women on the lips when it’s pretty clearly an inappropriate setting for it.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 05:53
by Enlightened-One
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
When it comes to political correctness in general, I can see your point. Social justice warriors, activists, academic liberals and millennials are all far too easily offended for others so-called “plights”.
And their voices are nearly always heard above all others. It’s a sad case of the tail wagging the dog sometimes, with their minority opinions often resulting in new legislation or new social rules that override the thoughts of the mainstream masses.
However, the thing is, we don’t know if Jenny Sushe was offended, due to the environment in which the incident took place, she could have been hiding her feelings... and I wouldn't have blamed her if she did. We do know that she was shocked and uncomfortable though, by describing the kiss as “embarrassing” and “strange”. Her instant reaction was to shout “Jesus Christ!”
Anyway, it’s more about Pulev doing something deeply inappropriate to a person he didn't really know, without her consent, which was something she was unable to prevent.
Personally-speaking, I try to show empathy by imagining how I’d react if I saw this happen to a female I was close to (i.e. daughter, sister, wife etc.), with the incident occurring in their workplace and I was standing in close proximity.
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
Just read that the girl has actually commented on it and regarded it as weird.
In this context pulev was out of line. I’m no fan of political correctness but you can’t just randomly go round kissing women on the lips when it’s pretty clearly an inappropriate setting for it.
Yeah, it's about as weird as kids discovering things among themselves. Barely worth mentioning outside one's circles.
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
Just read that the girl has actually commented on it and regarded it as weird.
In this context pulev was out of line. I’m no fan of political correctness but you can’t just randomly go round kissing women on the lips when it’s pretty clearly an inappropriate setting for it.
Yeah, it's about as weird as kids discovering things among themselves. Barely worth mentioning outside one's circles.
Kids don’t ‘discover’ things in an adult work environment though.
I usually don’t give much credit to extreme left types moaning about things like this but I don’t believe the antidote to them is excusing behaviour when it does actually cross the line.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:09
by Bard of Boxrec
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 06:03
No double standards here.
Who felt uncomfortable though? The girl who was kissed ended up kicking her ass.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:17
by The Asleep Lamps
There was another incident where Katy Perry kissed some young man on the lips and he was made to look uncomfortable and I don't know if she apologized but she was criticized for it. Just because one man wouldn't reel away from her doesn't mean that another man wouldn't.
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
When it comes to political correctness in general, I can see your point. Social justice warriors, activists, academic liberals and millennials are all far too easily offended for others so-called “plights”.
And their voices are nearly always heard above all others. It’s a sad case of the tail wagging the dog sometimes, with their minority opinions often resulting in new legislation or new social rules that override the thoughts of the mainstream masses.
However, the thing is, we don’t know if Jenny Sushe was offended, due to the environment in which the incident took place, she could have been hiding her feelings... and I wouldn't have blamed her if she did. We do know that she was shocked and uncomfortable though, by describing the kiss as “embarrassing” and “strange”. Her instant reaction was to shout “Jesus Christ!”
Anyway, it’s more about Pulev doing something deeply inappropriate to a person he didn't really know, without her consent, which was something she was unable to prevent.
Personally-speaking, I try to show empathy by imagining how I’d react if I saw this happen to a female I was close to (i.e. daughter, sister, wife etc.), with the incident occurring in their workplace and I was standing in close proximity.
It's "bad form" but relatively benign in the grand scheme. First world citizens are so privileged it seems so few are mentally prepared for any sort of strife. Just imagine today's society coping with simple starvation. They wouldn't know what hit em, much less knowing how to persevere.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:22
by Blodhemn
Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 06:05
Kids don’t ‘discover’ things in an adult work environment though.
I usually don’t give much credit to extreme left types moaning about things like this but I don’t believe the antidote to them is excusing behaviour when it does actually cross the line.
He gets hit in the head for a living. She was kind of handsy/close with him. Why do journalists get free passes?
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:26
by skanksta
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
You always manage to say the stupidest comment on any post - sigh.
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
You always manage to say the stupidest comment on any post - sigh.
Sure. And you're a beacon of truth. Get over yourself.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:35
by skanksta
That’s just whataboutery - pointing the finger back at me.
You think that people will be suing for third-hand offence, ‘taken on the internet’ - that is a stupid comment.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 06:38
by Blodhemn
skanksta wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 06:35
That’s just whataboutery - pointing the finger back at me.
You think that people will be suing for third-hand offence, ‘taken on the internet’ - that is a stupid comment.
It's called an exaggeration, but relevant considering the replies..
Blodhemn wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 05:34
What a strange environment to be in where people watching are more offended than the actual people involved. Can internet people sue for merely getting upset in the future? Don't count on it.
When it comes to political correctness in general, I can see your point. Social justice warriors, activists, academic liberals and millennials are all far too easily offended for others so-called “plights”.
And their voices are nearly always heard above all others. It’s a sad case of the tail wagging the dog sometimes, with their minority opinions often resulting in new legislation or new social rules that override the thoughts of the mainstream masses.
However, the thing is, we don’t know if Jenny Sushe was offended, due to the environment in which the incident took place, she could have been hiding her feelings... and I wouldn't have blamed her if she did. We do know that she was shocked and uncomfortable though, by describing the kiss as “embarrassing” and “strange”. Her instant reaction was to shout “Jesus Christ!”
Anyway, it’s more about Pulev doing something deeply inappropriate to a person he didn't really know, without her consent, which was something she was unable to prevent.
Personally-speaking, I try to show empathy by imagining how I’d react if I saw this happen to a female I was close to (i.e. daughter, sister, wife etc.), with the incident occurring in their workplace and I was standing in close proximity.
It's "bad form" but relatively benign in the grand scheme. First world citizens are so privileged it seems so few are mentally prepared for any sort of strife. Just imagine today's society coping with simple starvation. They wouldn't know what hit em, much less knowing how to persevere.
I don’t believe anybody is emotionally traumatised by Pulev’s actions. My interpretation of the general sentiments is that most people believe he’s done something inappropriate.
Perhaps the incident has received far too much attention from the media, but that’s how things are nowadays. People are more interested in celebrity scandal rather than real-world events that directly affect their day-to-day lives, such as politics and economics.
dagilechia wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 16:16
i don't think that it was perfectly acceptable but it's just her's and Pulev's case, people care too much about this kinds of incidents. If she don't like it and feels offended she can sue him, if she has no problem with this situation then there is no need to condemn Pulev
She doesn't have to just sue him.
She could file a police report about the incident. I think a forceful kiss on the mouth constitutes a sexual battery.
It was demeaning to the woman. Pulev treated her as an object and displayed absolutely no respect for her as a professional reporter doing a job.
Here comes the american #metoo Gillette leg shaving Converse shoe wearing soyboy crowd!
Good work brother Pulev, you've instantaneously become one of the most famous heavyweights in the world! Go Bulgaria!
He was a friend of the reporter. She attended his post fight party.
If these girly boys had their way any time a guy impetuously kissed a girl he'd be sentenced to 40 years unless he had her notarized authorization countersigned by all 45 different American genders on the Board of Aproval!
It's not the 1950s anymore.
A guy doesn't get physically personal with a woman unless he has her approval.
Otherwise you come off looking like a clueless cretin who is unaware that not only have times changed, but that displays like that indicate a lack of respect and ignorance of boundaries.
skanksta wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 07:52
Gents, If you DON'T think that is a sexual assault..,
Just imagine a gay man - with the size and presence of Pulev - deciding YOUR lips were so kissable he just couldn't help himself.
Would you think that was acceptable at work ?
I'm not sure that is a reasonable analogy. I've nothing against homosexuals - whatever floats your boat and all that, but for me to feel as repulsed by an unsolicited kiss on the lips by a tall, sweaty, half naked, thirty something female athlete, as I would by the idea of being similar treated by Kubrat Pulev ... well she'd have to be something special and not in a good way
Sorry Kubrat, I'd probably feel differently if I were a woman. He shouldn't have done what he did and I wouldn't have been happy had it been one of my daughters, but nobody died and it's important to keep a little perspective.
This really isn’t that big of a deal - I get that.
He should just apologise, “I’m really sorry - I was pumped after the fight and I was a bit of a crass dickhead”
He’d actually come out looking better than if he’d not done it in the first place. We’d all move on to the next news story..
BUT
Your point there is a bit of a logic-fail.
If this woman and Pulev are crackling with sexual tension for each other - then great. They’re adding to the sum total of human flourishing. it’s only a problem for KP and his wife !
If not - it’s an unwelcome sexual advance from someone with way more power than yourself. That’s why I said Pulev on you. The fact that it would be a gay kiss - and you’re straight - highlights the fact that you REALLY don’t want it.. The fact that it’s Pulev is a famous top 10 HW fighter, highlights that you can’t do F-all about it. It would be unpleasant and scary and you’d just have to try and laugh it off.
That’s the sort of sh1t women have to put up with all the time - and it’s wrong.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 09:08
by morm
I dont see a problem.... she like that kiss
if not its all to here ...go to court and sue him ...couple of 100000 cash and she will forget here pain
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 09:53
by The Asleep Lamps
The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑27 Mar 2019, 06:17
There was another incident where Katy Perry kissed some young man on the lips and he was made to look uncomfortable and I don't know if she apologized but she was criticized for it. Just because one man wouldn't reel away from her doesn't mean that another man wouldn't.
Katy Perry and Kubrat Pulev have the same initials.
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑26 Mar 2019, 18:20 bad analogy because the woman's hardly a downgrade in any way.
I enjoy Filet mignon and also munching on McDonald's Big Mac burgers. I also enjoy staying over at five-star hotels, as well as sleeping in tents pitched in campsites. I enjoy driving expensive cars and also going on bike rides. I enjoy drinking champagne and also supping ice-cold beers on a red-hot sunny day.
Who said anything about a “downgrade”? Two ends of the spectrum can be equally enjoyable under the right circumstances!
LOL! Sounds like a dating site profile! Personally speaking, I wouldn't throw either woman out of bed, unless there's more room on the floor!
Famous 1945 photo of sailor impetuously kissing a girl in a nurse's uniform in Times Square. He didn't even know her. He didn't have a signed countersigned and notarized consent form either.
Times have changed and so have laws.
If the guy was black the law would have been enforced.
Re: Kubrat Pulev... #MeToo
Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 10:35
by greg
..didn't she say "All RIGHT, THANK YOU" to Pulev after he had "sexually assaulted" her? ..doesn't it make the whole discussion sort of redundant?..
..doesn't it make the whole discussion sort of redundant?..