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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:27

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:18 i did read it mate but OMFG in any way seems a bit over the top for ndam

I’m just surprised about GGG choosing easy prey. He’s going to be 37 years old soon. He doesn’t have time on his side to waste.

i think its that ggg was all along a business fighter even if he said otherwise. the dazn deal makes it big money even if its a weak opponent, so at his age especially hes prob just trying to get all the money he can while still active

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:01

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 11:44 N'Dam declined offers from Loefler multiple times.

A few years ago, when Hassan N'Dam was still perceived as being a decent fighter, he was promoted by Golden Boy, with his bouts televised by Showtime, whereas GGG had a network deal with HBO. Politically-speaking, the fight might have been possible from 2015 onwards when GBP resumed working with HBO.

Also, I don't recall any offers Loeffler made to N'Dam during this time and nor can I find any articles to prove that this even happened.

If Loeffler really did submit multiple offers to N'Dam, which were subsequebtly rejected, it would surely be easy to find articles about them?

N'Dam ducked Golovkin

Golovkin vs N'Dam Has Been Ordered By The WBA

Golovkin vs N'Dam Update; Fegatilli vs Tajbert in Play

Gennady Golovkin-Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam Back in Talks?

Golovkin’s Manager: N’Jikam Has Refused to Fight Gennady

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:01

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 11:44 N'Dam declined offers from Loefler multiple times.

A few years ago, when Hassan N'Dam was still perceived as being a decent fighter, he was promoted by Golden Boy, with his bouts televised by Showtime, whereas GGG had a network deal with HBO. Politically-speaking, the fight might have been possible from 2015 onwards when GBP resumed working with HBO.

Also, I don't recall any offers Loeffler made to N'Dam during this time and nor can I find any articles to prove that this even happened.

If Loeffler really did submit multiple offers to N'Dam, which were subsequebtly rejected, it would surely be easy to find articles about them?

N'Dam ducked Golovkin

Golovkin vs N'Dam Has Been Ordered By The WBA

Golovkin vs N'Dam Update; Fegatilli vs Tajbert in Play

Gennady Golovkin-Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam Back in Talks?

Golovkin’s Manager: N’Jikam Has Refused to Fight Gennady

EO is playing his ol' trick. You pwned him.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 03:43

1okstcsb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2019, 23:59

jamamb wrote: ↑01 Apr 2019, 20:29 im seeing rumors that adams might fight mall charlo instead ?

I see that as well, but remember it is April 1st, but if true who does GGG fight?

The media previously reported that Kamil Szeremeta was contacted by GGG for a potential fight, around the same time that Brandon Adams was. No idea if Szeremeta would actually be Golovkin's replacement for Adams though.

'i wanted to fight but my trained explained to me that i need 2 more fights on the higher level. So far i fought opponents that i'll rate 3-4/10. now i need fights against 6-7/10 fighters before i'll jump to the 10/10 level.'' said Szeremeta.

in his next fight he will defend his EBU title vs Italian Matteo Signani.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 12:56 N'Dam ducked Golovkin

Golovkin vs N'Dam Has Been Ordered By The WBA

Golovkin vs N'Dam Update; Fegatilli vs Tajbert in Play

Gennady Golovkin-Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam Back in Talks?

Golovkin’s Manager: N’Jikam Has Refused to Fight Gennady

We’ve had this discussion before and you’ve also posted links to the same articles before also.

Not one single article you’ve quoted details any offers submitted by K2 or Tom Loeffler to Hassan N'Dam.

Going down the mandatory challenger route and expecting the various governing bodies to handle the situation is clearly not the same as Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers to N’Dam N’Jikam.

And for the record, didn't Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam vacate his interim WBA title in preference to being elevated to becoming the full WBO world champion? His decision makes sense, since that belt holds more prestige than the WBA regular title.

You're aware of this, because I extracted both of the above two sentences from our previous discussion about this matter.

Think about the precise claim that boxing_rocks made. Also consider the sentences in my post you quoted and even highlighted in bold. And then find some sort of correlation between those words and the content of your articles.

I’m not being condescending, because I respect you, but on this one occasion I believe you got it wrong. There’s nothing in your post that contradicts anything I’ve claimed.

apollo creed wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 13:12 EO is playing his ol' trick. You pwned him.

You need to attend adult literacy courses. You’re applauding url’s that you’ve not even bothered to read! Take a look at what I wrote and then compare it to the content of those articles. You'll very quickly realise the error of your ways.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 16:55 We’ve had this discussion before and you’ve also posted links to the same articles before also.

Not one single article you’ve quoted details any offers submitted by K2 or Tom Loeffler to Hassan N'Dam.

Going down the mandatory challenger route and expecting the various governing bodies to handle the situation is clearly not the same as Tom Loeffler submitting financial offers to N’Dam N’Jikam.

And for the record, didn't Hassan N’Dam N’Jikam vacate his interim WBA title in preference to being elevated to becoming the full WBO world champion? His decision makes sense, since that belt holds more prestige than the WBA regular title.

You're aware of this, because I extracted both of the above two sentences from our previous discussion about this matter.

Think about the precise claim that boxing_rocks made. Also consider the sentences in my post you quoted and even highlighted in bold. And then find some sort of correlation between those words and the content of your articles.

I’m not being condescending, because I respect you, but on this one occasion I believe you got it wrong. There’s nothing in your post that contradicts anything I’ve claimed.

You need to attend adult literacy courses. You’re applauding url’s that you’ve not even bothered to read! Take a look at what I wrote and then compare it to the content of those articles. You'll very quickly realise the error of your ways.

The thing is EO, not everyone is Eddie Hearn or like some promoters that make offers public. We don’t know if offers were made, but we live in the age of, every single offer is made public. There are still some that prefer it old school.

Who knows if Loeffler did or did not offer N’dam. The fight was about to even go to purse bids.

We can’t accuse someone of not doing something just because it hasn’t been documented online or an article does not exist. All we can really do is wonder.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 17:33 The thing is EO, not everyone is Eddie Hearn or like some promoters that make offers public. We don’t know if offers were made, but we live in the age of, every single offer is made public. There are still some that prefer it old school.

Who knows if Loeffler did or did not offer N’dam. The fight was about to even go to purse bids.

We can’t accuse someone of not doing something just because it hasn’t been documented online or an article does not exist. All we can really do is wonder.

All due respect, boxing_rocks claimed that “N'Dam declined offers from Loeffler multiple times.”

I said it didn’t happen. No one can prove otherwise. This isn’t a religious debate, since faith alone shouldn't be regarded as "proof."

You then questioned this claim of mine by submitting articles that neither contradicted my thoughts nor supported boxing_rocks’ claims.

All we know is this… Hassan N'Dam preferred to vacate his interim WBA title in preference to being elevated to becoming the full WBO world champion. That’s not an unreasonable decision to make.

We also know that GGG and especially his opponents were grossly underpaid during 2012 and 2013, which is a point that has already been discussed at length in the following thread... and this may have influenced N'Dam's decision:

• "New 2019 Golovkin interview! GGG is all business this time."

We also both know for certain that there is almost no evidence of Tom Loeffler supplying offers to GGG’s big-name peers, since neither of us can find any. We do know, however, that some of the biggest paydays Golovkin has ever received were due to events that were either co-promoted or wholly promoted by GBP and Matchroom.

You’re one of the few people I respect that frequents this forum. It’s just that the articles you quoted were irrelevant to the debate.

I only want to focus on the claims that boxing_rocks made, which appear to be blatantly untrue. Please review his words again and then tell me otherwise.

Deleted_Scenes wrote: ↑29 Mar 2019, 10:34 Golovkin fan here.

Won't even bother watching. No excuse for this at all.

Good one!!

jermall vs adams

jamamb wrote: ↑02 Apr 2019, 23:44 jermall vs adams

GGG vs Vanes II ?lol

I'm thinking 5 and 6. Maybe 3 and 4.

"Reports are now filtering through that scheduled foe Brandon Adams has had a change of heart on facing the formidable Kazakh puncher":

https://boxinganthem.com/brandon-adams- ... -golovkin/

adams is a weak opponent for either, im a bit disappointed with how jermalls career is moving at this point

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 14:12 adams is a weak opponent for either, im a bit disappointed with how jermalls career is moving at this point

x2..............

jamamb wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 14:12 adams is a weak opponent for either, im a bit disappointed with how jermalls career is moving at this point

It's definately not looking good. At this rate, i'd rather he stayed at 154..

PBC do not have many MW's for him to play with have they?

I am wondering if they can get someone better than Adams until June

Cent0089 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 14:39 I am wondering if they can get someone better than Adams until June

Vanes II???

You know what.. Might as well just fight Hassan N'Dam..

He's not a bad boxer at all.. Not highly ranked at the moment and would be good for an upcomer, not for GGG but still a name.. not on GGG's record.

Also, he just won a fair decision against Martin Murray in Manchester.

Is Lara not volunteering anymore?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 14:51 Vanes II???

You know what.. Might as well just fight Hassan N'Dam..

He's not a bad boxer at all.. Not highly ranked at the moment and would be good for an upcomer, not for GGG but still a name.. not on GGG's record.

Also, he just won a fair decision against Martin Murray in Manchester.

Njikam is maybe a bit better than Adams? Or maybe not but defeating Murray at his home meant something. But what about Rob Brant??

Cent0089 wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 15:53 Njikam is maybe a bit better than Adams? Or maybe not but defeating Murray at his home meant something. But what about Rob Brant??

Brant is with ESPN.

Is there a reason why so many lacklustre names are in the running for GGG’s debut on DAZN?

Is it a case of GGG Promotions or DAZN not wanting to spend money on big name opposition?

They seem to be scraping the barrel a bit by seeking easy prey, like “Vanes Martirosyan” type opposition, instead of anyone that poses at least a half-decent threat!

ndams not too bad but defo not interesting. we all want good opponents for ggg as he doesnt have much time left. unfortunetly it always seemed to me like it would be one lacklustre opponent and then a big fight, and i think then hes done.

I think dazn is trying to get subscriptions and finding Americans don't like boxing. So Canelo, ggg and aj showcases are supposed to get more subscribers to pay for bigger fights down the line and they aren't.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 16:48 Is there a reason why so many lacklustre names are in the running for GGG’s debut on DAZN?

Is it a case of GGG Promotions or DAZN not wanting to spend money on big name opposition?

They seem to be scraping the barrel a bit by seeking easy prey, like “Vanes Martirosyan” type opposition, instead of anyone that poses at least a half-decent threat!

Like Amir Khan, Liam Smith or Rocky Fielding?

boxing_rocks wrote: ↑03 Apr 2019, 19:53 Like Amir Khan, Liam Smith or Rocky Fielding?

spot on.