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jamamb wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 18:15 if aj went on to win id bet it wouldve been brought up more, since he didnt its more moot

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 18:21 I don't make anything out of it at the time. He was unified champ. And he was in a position he'd never been in before (AJ). The ref did what he thought was correct given the size of the event, I think, but you are totally correct in that it was moot. My mentioning it was in opposition to those who accused Wilder of getting preferential treatment vs Ortiz.

oogiebe wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 17:59 Check the second and the last.

squiggy wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 19:37 Neither of them are as you described.

squiggy wrote: ↑08 Jun 2019, 19:54 The fight was stopped, though. It ceased to matter then.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 08:48 Luis Ortiz: After Wilder Loses - Forget Franchise, Just Call Me Champ

The recent decision by the World Boxing Council (WBC) to assign a “Franchise champion” tag to World middleweight champ Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez has created confusion among what any longer qualifies as a title or unification bout.

Among the other WBC titlists named by the sanctioning body as future candidates for the label is unbeaten heavyweight Deontay Wilder, who with his next win will record his 10th successful title defense. A date has yet to be assigned for such a fight, which reportedly will come in the form of a rematch with top-rated contender Luis Ortiz.

Whenever it takes place, the promise from the challenger is that the public won’t have to worry about what to call Wilder.

“He will be an ex-champion after our fight, plain and simple,” Ortiz (31-1, 26KOs; 2 NCs) assured BS.com. “People like (fellow challenger Dillian Whyte) are worried about the WBC vacating the title and making him a franchise champion. What they should be more worried about is facing me once the belt is around my waist.”

The 40-year old Cuban southpaw—who now lives and trains in Miami—came dangerously close to unseating Wilder in their thrilling war last March. Ortiz recovered from a mid-fight knockdown to badly stun the defending titlist towards the end of the 7th round of their Showtime-televised headliner at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York.

Minor controversy ensued in the immediate aftermath, as Wilder was saved by the bell and then granted an extended timeout as he was examined by a ringside physician prior to the start of round eight. Conspiracy theorists claim the break gave the unbeaten Alabama native enough time to recover, surviving the scariest moment of his pro career to once again drop and eventually stop Ortiz in the 10th round of their instant classic.

Ortiz has won three straight since then, including a pair of knockouts to close out 2018. His most recent performance was far less inspiring, laboring his way to a 10-round win over Christian Hammer this past March. It was enough to extend his win streak and also secure a second crack at his lone in-ring conqueror, with their budgeted Showtime Pay-Per-View headliner to take place in October or November.

A win by Wilder could ultimately free up the WBC title, as the sanctioning body is already prepared to declare him a franchise champion. Of course, he still has to win his next fight in order to reach that point.

“Everyone can stop worrying about what will happen if he wins, because that’s the one thing that won’t happen,” promises Ortiz. “Forget franchise champion, just get ready to call me WBC champion after I beat Deontay Wilder.

“If the WBC still wants to make up a title for Wilder, they can just call him the out-of-business champion, because that franchise is getting shut down.”

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑08 Jul 2019, 06:22 So this bout isn't official. No official date has been set.. But Wilder-Fury 2 has more or less been confirmed.

Deontay Wilder and Luis Ortiz will now be fighting their rematch in November instead of the previously scheduled September 28 date, says Mike Coppinger. This is likely a strategic move on Wilder’s management’s part in moving the Ortiz (31-1, 26 KOs) rematch to November.

We saw recently that Fury can’t sell tickets in the U.S when he fought Tom Schwarz. Wilder will go after the money fight against the winner of the Joshua vs. Ruiz Jr. rematch, because he won’t have to single-handedly sell tickets. Against Fury, Wilder would be doing all the work in bringing ticket buyers in the U.S all by himself. The American boxing fans aren’t enamored by Fury, because he’s still an unknown and he has an ugly fighting style.

Finkel wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 05:17 That "news" article is ridiculous. I assumed at first the writer must be quoting one of Deontay's entourage from the level of cheerleading he was including:

We saw recently that Fury can’t sell tickets in the U.S when he fought Tom Schwarz. Wilder will go after the money fight against the winner of the Joshua vs. Ruiz Jr. rematch, because he won’t have to single-handedly sell tickets. Against Fury, Wilder would be doing all the work in bringing ticket buyers in the U.S all by himself. The American boxing fans aren’t enamored by Fury, because he’s still an unknown and he has an ugly fighting style.

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candyslim wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 13:20 Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:43

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:50

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:43

What made me laugh (aside from the obvious) is if that were the case, his popularity would be in a country that doesn't have to pay to watch boxing.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:35

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 13:20 Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

If Andy Ruiz Jr. beats AJ in the rematch, his popularity will grow to almost Canelo proportions.

A successful heavyweight Mexican unified world champion is likely to attract massive support from his fellow countrymen.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 17:35

candyslim wrote: ↑16 Jul 2019, 13:20 Wilder will do whatever Al decides is best for him (Al that is, and Deontay too if the two things are compatible).

The drawback is Joshua is still a dangerous opponent and he's outside Al's control / jurisdiction. Ruiz is within Al's sphere of operation / control but he too is a dangerous opponent and won't generate Joshua level paydays. Decisions, decisions.

If Andy Ruiz Jr. beats AJ in the rematch, his popularity will grow to almost Canelo proportions.

A successful heavyweight Mexican unified world champion is likely to attract massive support from his fellow countrymen.