*drops mic*Grilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
Good postGrilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
x2 excellent postNoxy wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 02:33Good postGrilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
I think you're missing my point regarding the Chinese Govt as to where the virus started and who covered it up.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
As if you believe the numbers they are giving.I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours.
Brexit bingo! Grilling Machine is bashing the Tories. Protestors in USA are bashing Trump.
Cambridge and Oxford Universities haven't had one person from the Newcastle area in over 5 years. My daughter is trying to get to uni next year but a kid from a private school could get in with lower qualifications due to skin colour.Delta Jay wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 17:06 You could travel to the UK or the USA, you will greatly benefit from white privilege there.
I understand what you’re getting at, when actions are made to create equality, the privileged group can feel this as an attack.
It’s a hard one, cos loads of people hate the idea of positive discrimination (which doesn’t happen as much as everyone seems to think) but we’ve got to do something and making higher education more accessible to certain groups is a start.
I know it’s hard fella, but your “someone please think of us white people!” angle is unbecoming.
Spot on , as if anybody believes the stats that come out of China .banjo wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 03:57As if you believe the numbers they are giving.I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours.
Like people still believe Covid-19 came from a dodgy food market. It's a man made viral weapon designed to tank the world economy, just look at all the Chinese companies buying low stocks around the world!
Great post, articulate and full of truthsGrilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
I honestly cannot believe some of the comments on here.
A top quality post, particularly regarding Johnson and Rees-Mogg. Men of the people ! Can't believe so many working class people have fallen for their BS. Their popularity is only down to people's prejudices against ethnic minorites.Grilling Machine wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 18:02 Ali's behaviour was often terrible, becoming anti-white, misogynistic and disrespecting many, but that doesn't change his early life experiences, nor his less frequent moments of grace. Similarly I don't like AJ much, but since I'm no racist I support his right to protest against inequality that spans hundreds of years without redress. Some people look at MLK as the end of this inequality rather than green shoots of real change.
Nothing wrong with that. If white people refuse to buy from an Asian-owned shop, encouraging them to rethink and maybe support that person is fine. Likewise, Mickey, if people refuse to hire GRT workers then there's nothing wrong with encouraging them to rethink their position on that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.
It's only a problem if it's encouragement to use one group exclusively, i.e. stop buying anything from white people. But good luck trying that anyway, when 99% of the things we buy are from rich white men.
C19 creation aside, I'd much rather have China's daily infection rate right now than ours. China does have some serious political problems, but that's taking an outside-in view that doesn't question the US and UK. We've been taught to hate China and Russia for decades, when the reality is that we're all shared victims of propaganda. I know someone in China and it's a harsh government, but they're not the evil monsters the West paint them as. I'd say their worst practice is worker exploitation, with many recruited from countryside poverty to work in factories with anti-suicide nets around them. But then we recruit Romanians on the cheap to work our fields...
The current Tories would bring back workhouses if they could. It's crazy that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Rees-Mogg (whose Somerset Capital is currently earning him millions for nowt) are regarded as 'men of the people'. We live in a culture where working-class men are made to feel like failures if they can't provide for themselves/their families, it's still Boys from the Blackstuff to this day, and the likes of Johnson prey on this macho bullshit to keep us grafting for them.
Corbyn wanted to raise corp tax to a level that would've been lower than it was in Thatcher's day, and he was demonised by all of our media, TV and paper. He listened to the IRA because he wanted peace in Ireland and was branded a terrorist sympathiser, despite always condemning violence, and so on. To vote for Corbyn was seen as unmanly — as something for the snowflakes. Hating these 'woke snowflakes' is what you're supposed to do — what you've been instructed to do, because it divides us. And sure, there are lots of prime tossers on the left as well. But the point is that we shouldn't be living in a culture where some men consider killing themselves (and some do) for losing a job.
We're always saying how losing a fight shouldn't be such a big deal in boxing, but then voting with the idea that all unemployed are scroungers, hence how hard it is to come to terms with unemployment if you've grown accustomed to bashing others for it. We actually argue in favour of a more positive view to boxing losses because we can relate to how likely they'd be for us! We can imagine being in that position so we're much less hard on those fighters, respecting what they *have* done.
They're trying to disallow it with horses and kettling, Peterloo-style, and causing way more tension as a result. I personally agree with social distancing taking precedence over demonstrations, but as a demonstrator you have to get out there when the opportunity arises. If protestors could somehow collectively agree to gather later in the year that'd be grand, but their motivation might've fizzled out by then, and since the US are going hard it's currently the best time to get the attention of those in power.
It won't bring about any change in the short term, it just feels good to throw a few back at the racists in charge, not just in politics but big business. Especially in big business.
Obama was a huge disappointment to many black people, and his popularity dropped throughout his terms. I think in some ways his era was even worse, because you expect a white man to support the status quo.
Mayweather and Jordan were outstanding athletes, who've always been fine as entertainment for white people. Black singers were employed by rich whites in Edwardian times, but never treated as equals for it. Recall how Jesse Owens was hated by Hitler at the same time as the White House refused an invite after he'd won Gold for them.
Oprah's chatshow was the product of corporate white America, who saw the burgeoning profit in appealing to an untapped socially conscious viewership in the '80s. Oprah landed the job because she was articulate and likely the best candidate, but hers is a chatshow that would've been created to capitalise on that emerging market anyway. She's now massively rich, and the whites who gave her that platform even more so, but for all she's talked about over the years, very little's changed. Oprah's presented as a catalyst for change — a decades-long voice for equality, but it's been cemented beyond doubt in recent weeks that the US police are still incredibly racist.
As someone else said (I don't have their name): “If you've 10 bad cops to 1000 good and the latter do nothing, you've 1010 bad cops.”
Apologies for the essay, but let's please try and sympathise with people who've suffered things that most of us haven't, and not just point out that so-and-so was a wrong 'un anyway. Overlooking injustice because we don't care about those it's affected leaves those that we'd care about vulnerable. Unless of course you don't care about any black people, in which case you know what you are and you should confront that for your own and everyone else's good.
There's no we're-better-than-you sentiment in any of this — there's no judgement on my part for any history of racist thinking because if you go back far enough I'd be guilty too. But surely, seeing all this poo going on, we can try and be better people when asked to review our collective history.
Eddie Colston had nothing to do with me, but when I see his statue getting dunked I ain't in nobody's way!
Tell you what, though, I really miss our days of Wilder's armour bants (or indeed Mitchell's cockfeeding). At least we're all united in hating Covid, eh.
The game has more ethnic minorities fighting than sitting behind desks!rooneyrooney123 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2020, 07:34 The Board needs to take action on its own Pandemic. Its has no Blacks or women on it. For an organisation in this modern age, where a large number of boxers some of whom are icons and inspire people including blacks and women, it's pretty poor on representation. Still stuck in 1920's.
Time for the board to find a Vaccine, it has done enough social distancing on Ethnic minorities and women who have contributed massively to the growth of the sport. It's time for the board to come out of Quarantine and take action.
I will start with Inviting Jane Couch onto the Board and start looking at other areas.
I thought he was encouraging people to support their own communities. I don't believe he ever mentioned the word "white". It suits some on social media to interpret what he said as "anti-white", but I don't think he said that.mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2020, 03:47Cut to pieces. In the uncut version he’s encouraging black people to shop in black owned shops and for whites to do the same.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 17:16 Highly doubt it. Sky Sports News broadcasted the speech he gave.
Don't you worry, Tyson Fury will dish out the punishment in person after he beats Wilder for the third time.Glass Joe wrote: ↑06 Jun 2020, 14:39 Anthony Joshua was out protesting in Watford today with no social distancing in place.
Joshua is basically giving the middle finger to the government and NHS and made the months people have sacrificed starting to look like a waste of time.
Will the board step in and fine and suspend Joshua? No doubt if BJS did this he would be fined and suspended.
