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Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 08:47
by asmund
ValMar wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 17:40
asmund wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 16:56
Sports develop over time. Look at the world cup in football from the 80s for example. Its painfully slow to watch compared to todays football.
Sure Ali is a HW-legend, same with Marciano, but they wouldnt stand a chance against the top heavyweight boxers today.
Are you serious ?
I see now that my example from football wasnt the best here
Training, nutrition etc. evolve over time. Ali was had very fast hands and footwork until he was 24-25, before his layoff.
He weighed around 210 pounds at most for his fights pre -67.
I have read his autobiography. Some strange theories there...
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 09:11
by oogiebe
Best post you've ever made!
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 09:12
by oogiebe
asmund wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 08:47
ValMar wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 17:40
Are you serious ?
I see now that my example from football wasnt the best here
Training, nutrition etc. evolve over time. Ali was had very fast hands and footwork until he was 24-25, before his layoff.
He weighed around 210 pounds at most for his fights pre -67.
I have read his autobiography. Some strange theories there...
We never saw true prime Ali. At 24-25 he hadn't yet had his man strength nor filled out.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 09:20
by Bandog
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 09:11
Best post you've ever made!
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 09:25
by Tony1244
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 09:11
Best post you've ever made!
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 09:49
by DrDuke
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 09:11
Best post you've ever made!
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 10:43
by Duran1970
8 out of 32.
25% think today's heavy s are better ?
Im losing faith in this site pretty quick.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 10:47
by Tony1244
Duran1970 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 10:43
8 out of 32.
25% think today's heavy s are better ?
Im losing faith in this site pretty quick.
Those 8 haven't watched any boxing from the 20th century.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 10:51
by Ambling Alp II
That seems like good theory.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 12:47
by margaret thatcher
They prob voted like that to trigger the touchey history bruhs, I mean sure, by far the biggest vote is for Ali in the top spot, but I guess this one must still be even more unbearable than Liston not getting 100 percent of the #1 votes
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 13:42
by Tony1244
I could see Fury's size and style giving Ali a bit of trouble but eventually Ali would figure him out.
Ali beating AJ and Wilder is a no brainer.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 13:52
by ValMar
oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 09:11
Best post you've ever made!
10/10 !
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 13:56
by ValMar
asmund wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 08:47
ValMar wrote: ↑16 Jun 2020, 17:40
Are you serious ?
I see now that my example from football wasnt the best here
Training, nutrition etc. evolve over time. Ali was had very fast hands and footwork until he was 24-25, before his layoff.
He weighed around 210 pounds at most for his fights pre -67.
I have read his autobiography. Some strange theories there...
Angelo Dundee had claimed that the best Ali's years should had been 1967-1970. The stolen years.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 14:08
by SteveO
ValMar wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 13:56
Angelo Dundee had claimed that the best Ali's years should had been 1967-1970. The stolen years.
So true and Ali would probably have put together another 10-12 successful title defenses in that time.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 14:20
by ValMar
SteveO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:08
ValMar wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 13:56
Angelo Dundee had claimed that the best Ali's years should had been 1967-1970. The stolen years.
So true and Ali would probably have put together another 10-12 successful title defenses in that time.
Yes, and he would have retired on time (and healthy, too).................
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 14:34
by Onetimeonly
SteveO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:08
ValMar wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 13:56
Angelo Dundee had claimed that the best Ali's years should had been 1967-1970. The stolen years.
So true and Ali would probably have put together another 10-12 successful title defenses in that time.
He still would have lost to Frazier.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 17 Jun 2020, 16:47
by Bard of Boxrec
I guess EO finally found out that brevity is the soul of wit
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 07:51
by Winter king
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 10:47
Duran1970 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 10:43
8 out of 32.
25% think today's heavy s are better ?
Im losing faith in this site pretty quick.
Those 8 haven't watched any boxing from the 20th century.
I did watch boxing matches from the 20th century and i still think Ali is not unbeatable by todays heavies. He was very skilled but or etc Ken Norton figuered him out in his prime. Do you really have such a low opinion about todays heavies that nobody reaches the level of Ken Norton? And the thing is size does play a bigger part today because yes there were 6'6 guys before but none of them were this skilled. Also Ali couldnt use his signiture style at 90% of the matches because he would have to fight like the much smaller and shorter guy.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 07:58
by Onetimeonly
I, for one, think Norton was better than any of today's heavyweights.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 08:33
by Tony1244
Winter king wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 07:51
Tony1244 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 10:47
Those 8 haven't watched any boxing from the 20th century.
I did watch boxing matches from the 20th century and i still think Ali is not unbeatable by todays heavies. He was very skilled but or etc Ken Norton figuered him out in his prime. Do you really have such a low opinion about todays heavies that nobody reaches the level of Ken Norton? And the thing is size does play a bigger part today because yes there were 6'6 guys before but none of them were this skilled. Also Ali couldnt use his signiture style at 90% of the matches because he would have to fight like the much smaller and shorter guy.
Norton vs Fury would be a tough call. Norton or Frazier would beat AJ easily IMO.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 09:40
by oogiebe
Not sure if today's HW"s would hold up to the level of activity that 70's guys fought at.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 14:10
by SteveO
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:34
SteveO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:08
So true and Ali would probably have put together another 10-12 successful title defenses in that time.
He still would have lost to Frazier.
I sincerely doubt that
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 14:14
by oogiebe
SteveO wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 14:10
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:34
He still would have lost to Frazier.
I sincerely doubt that
Same.
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 14:36
by Duran1970
Onetimeonly wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:34
SteveO wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 14:08
So true and Ali would probably have put together another 10-12 successful title defenses in that time.
He still would have lost to Frazier.
X2
Re: Muhammad Ali (1967) vs. current HWs ?
Posted: 18 Jun 2020, 14:41
by DrDuke
X3
Prime Frazier would deal with Ali even without that hiatus of Ali.