BoxRec

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 03:17

gregregegg wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 03:04

WBA reg is not a fornicating world title. if it counts so dose WBC silver or fornicate it WBA gold and all interums and IBO.... witch they do fornicating not. they are as legit as each other and that levle of legit world titleness is zero.

What you’ve just written is utterly irrelevant!

The WBA Super world heavyweight title has only been around since July 2011. And my stats were intended to list world heavyweight title fights from the last decade.

And I didn’t even mention the IBO or the WBC silver titles.

Even if we excluded all the WBA Regular world title fights from my stats (barring David Haye’s bout against Audley Harrison, which was before the Super version of the WBA championship existed), it doesn’t undermine my argument in any way.

And do you want to know the reason why, it’s because anyone possessing a mere modicum of intellect will surely realise that it’s extremely rare for small heavyweights weighing 220lbs or less winning world heavyweight title fights within the last decade!

Seriously dude, did you not even look at the numbers and consider what the stats would look like even if we ignored the WBA regular title from consideration! Do you not feel thoroughly embarrassed?

In fact, in a separate post, I also provided stats for the last twenty years, and the very same rule applies in that scenario too.

I really can’t wait to read your comeback!!! Come on kid, I always enjoy a good laugh!!!

ryandmosley wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 13:30

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 05:39

I think usyk is your best bet at that... even though he will be 6'3 215. He is the best chance at a normal sized human being heavyweight champ (I guess ruiz is normal sized in USA....).

Also wernt most the guys louis fought like 180-190lbs.... He was bigger than people in most of his fights, and only vs'd 3 or 4 big boys in his entire career....

Edit: Most of Joe's opponents were bigger than 180-190, more like 190-200. Tony Galento, Buddy Baer, and Abe Simon were big boys. Joe was bigger than probably half of the guys he fought between beating Braddock and losing to Ezzard Charles. I like the idea of Usyk clearing out the heavyweights, but can he really beat Fury? Would he survive Wilder for twelve rounds? I want to see him square off with Parker or do a rematch with Hunter first. Let's not get too excited.

Blodhemn wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 06:59

ryandmosley wrote: ↑28 Jun 2020, 13:30

Edit: Most of Joe's opponents were bigger than 180-190, more like 190-200. Tony Galento, Buddy Baer, and Abe Simon were big boys. Joe was bigger than probably half of the guys he fought between beating Braddock and losing to Ezzard Charles. I like the idea of Usyk clearing out the heavyweights, but can he really beat Fury? Would he survive Wilder for twelve rounds? I want to see him square off with Parker or do a rematch with Hunter first. Let's not get too excited.

Rematch with an opponent all but KOd, systematically? I've seen that request a few times. and it's bizarre beyond rational.

ryandmosley wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 09:18

Blodhemn wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 06:59

Rematch with an opponent all but KOd, systematically? I've seen that request a few times. and it's bizarre beyond rational.

It’s a different fight at heavyweight.

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 09:25

ryandmosley wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 09:18

It’s a different fight at heavyweight.

It's not really, is it? No idea why people think that's a good fight for Usyk, like he has to face someone he beat the crap out of again just because the guy was unheralded and saw the final round. He owes Breidis the rematch more.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 02:44 Within the last decade, the following world heavyweight titles were fought for:

• WBC = 19 times
• WBA Super = 16 times
• WBA Regular = 14 times
• IBF = 21 times
• WBO = 17 times

I appreciate the fact that some of these bouts were unified title fights, where the champion held multiple versions of the world title, but I've decided to list them as per the BoxRec website.

Only two men have emerged victorious in the bouts listed above weighing 220lbs or less:

• David Haye = once (against Audley Harrison for the WBA Regular title)
• Deontay Wilder = three times (in his WBC title fights against Luis Ortiz and Bermane Stiverne)

In terms of the participants of the above bouts (excl. draws & no contests), the average weights of the:

• Winners = 242½lbs
• Losers = 240lbs

And within the last decade, no man has ever successfully competed in WBA Super, WBO & IBF world title fights weighing 220lbs or less.

When ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson was at his destructive best (prior to his defeat to ‘Buster’ Douglas) for the first 37 bouts of his career, his opponents typically weighed 212lbs (excl. four anomalous fighters).

Mike Tyson’s own average ring weight during the same period was only 217¼lbs.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 14:07 Ort, Pov, Whyte, and Miller himself already got signed/backed by top promoters after failing for 2 fights, but this is the big 3 for Jarhead. 3rd stike he's out??

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 20:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 02:44 Within the last decade, the following world heavyweight titles were fought for:

• WBC = 19 times
• WBA Super = 16 times
• WBA Regular = 14 times
• IBF = 21 times
• WBO = 17 times

I appreciate the fact that some of these bouts were unified title fights, where the champion held multiple versions of the world title, but I've decided to list them as per the BoxRec website.

Only two men have emerged victorious in the bouts listed above weighing 220lbs or less:

• David Haye = once (against Audley Harrison for the WBA Regular title)
• Deontay Wilder = three times (in his WBC title fights against Luis Ortiz and Bermane Stiverne)

In terms of the participants of the above bouts (excl. draws & no contests), the average weights of the:

• Winners = 242½lbs
• Losers = 240lbs

And within the last decade, no man has ever successfully competed in WBA Super, WBO & IBF world title fights weighing 220lbs or less.

When ‘Iron’ Mike Tyson was at his destructive best (prior to his defeat to ‘Buster’ Douglas) for the first 37 bouts of his career, his opponents typically weighed 212lbs (excl. four anomalous fighters).

Mike Tyson’s own average ring weight during the same period was only 217¼lbs.

I do think that we are on the same page but arent we forgetting David Hayes heroic display vs Valuev? Haye gave him such a bad beating that he beat him into retirement, kinda like Charr did to Vitaly

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 02:44

H8Usernames wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 20:16

I do think that we are on the same page but arent we forgetting David Hayes heroic display vs Valuev? Haye gave him such a bad beating that he beat him into retirement, kinda like Charr did to Vitaly

I’ve never believed nor claimed that it’s categorically impossible for a small heavyweight to beat a much bigger opponent.

I have always thought and repeatedly conveyed my belief that exceptions exist for almost every general rule (barring death), but they don’t undermine them.

The problem I have is that people often denounce the existence of the general rule itself, to the point they believe that size is utterly irrelevant in the context of heavyweight boxing, despite the real-world stats from the last two decades irrefutably proving otherwise.

Anyway, the Valuev-Haye bout was incredibly close. The decision was razon thin. Even the British Sky Sports network pundits weren’t sure who won that bout.

And to be honest, I have to assume you didn’t even watch the Haye-Valuev fight, because it’s utterly preposterous for anyone to honestly believe the Brit gave the Russian such “a bad beating”, it compelled him to retire from the sport. That’s just pure nonsense.

Nikolai Valuev retired due to health reasons, unrelated to any of his boxing activities.

It's also abundantly clear you didn't watch Vitali Klitschko's bout against Manuel Charr either.

In hindsight, I probably shouldn’t have responded to your post.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 02:44
I’ve never believed nor claimed that it’s categorically impossible for a small heavyweight to beat a much bigger opponent.

I have always thought and repeatedly conveyed my belief that exceptions exist for almost every general rule (barring death), but they don’t undermine them.

The problem I have is that people often denounce the existence of the general rule itself, to the point they believe that size is utterly irrelevant in the context of heavyweight boxing, despite the real-world stats from the last two decades irrefutably proving otherwise.

Anyway, the Valuev-Haye bout was incredibly close. The decision was razor thin. Even the British Sky Sports network pundits weren’t sure who won that bout.

And to be honest, I have to assume you didn’t even watch the Haye-Valuev fight, because it’s utterly preposterous for anyone to honestly believe the Brit gave the Russian such “a bad beating”, it compelled him to retire from the sport. That’s just pure nonsense.

Nikolai Valuev retired due to health reasons, unrelated to any of his boxing activities.

It's also abundantly clear you didn't watch Vitali Klitschko's bout against Manuel Charr either.

In hindsight, I probably shouldn’t have responded to your post.

You cant do that, you cant just ignore the Haye paper victory over Valuev in your stats just because it was questionable.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:52

H8Usernames wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:47

You cant do that, you cant just ignore the Haye paper victory over Valuev in your stats just because it was questionable.

I only provided the stats for all the world heavyweight championship bouts that occurred within the last decade.

You actually quoted my words in your response to me, where I clearly explained this point. Please check your OWN post where you quoted my stats.

David Haye’s bout against Nikolay Valuev took place during 2009.

The current year is 2020.

Do I need to elaborate further or can you do the maths?

The only person “ignoring” anything is you failing to read my words.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 09:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:52
I only provided the stats for all the world heavyweight championship bouts that occurred within the last decade.

You actually quoted my words in your response to me, where I clearly explained this point. Please check your OWN post where you quoted my stats.

David Haye’s bout against Nikolay Valuev took place during 2009.

The current year is 2020.

Do I need to elaborate further or can you do the maths?

The only person “ignoring” anything is you failing to read my words.

How do you have the time to go to such significant lengths to be so utterly wrong all the time? Is it some high energy diet? Excessive caffeine? Channeling the energizer bunny though a ouija board? Truly impressive stamina in churning out a remarkable volume of wrong, I’ll give you that.

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 09:56

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 05:52
I only provided the stats for all the world heavyweight championship bouts that occurred within the last decade.

You actually quoted my words in your response to me, where I clearly explained this point. Please check your OWN post where you quoted my stats.

David Haye’s bout against Nikolay Valuev took place during 2009.

The current year is 2020.

Do I need to elaborate further or can you do the maths?

The only person “ignoring” anything is you failing to read my words.

How do you have the time to go to such significant lengths to be so utterly wrong all the time? Is it some high energy diet? Excessive caffeine? Channeling the energizer bunny though a ouija board? Truly impressive stamina in churning out a remarkable volume of wrong, I’ll give you that.

jenko21 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 17:24

Riddick Blowe wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 09:56

How do you have the time to go to such significant lengths to be so utterly wrong all the time? Is it some high energy diet? Excessive caffeine? Channeling the energizer bunny though a ouija board? Truly impressive stamina in churning out a remarkable volume of wrong, I’ll give you that.

You know eo doesn't answer direct questions, that's below him. You must face off in a fact battle, with extra points scored for length of waffle and repetition.

You know I'm right as this is based on undisputed facts

Feel free to challenge me but only if you want to feel my wrath