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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 15 May 2021, 23:44
by margaret thatcher
plant should already be preparing now if he's serious about it, and should've already done thorough reviews on canelo and the strategy to use

these guys usually know well before everything is announced that they are gonna get the fight or are at least a serious contender for it, if they spend that time just lazing about they shouldnt then complain they didnt get enough notice

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 20 May 2021, 08:23
by Ruthless-RKO
Boxer Caleb Plant wants four-division champ Canelo Alvarez next, shot at undisputed super middleweight crown

Moments after his super middleweight unification victory over Billy Joe Saunders earlier this month, champion Canelo Alvarez turned his attention to another division titleholder: Caleb Plant.

"That's the plan, to go for the belt, and I'm coming, man," Alvarez said during his postfight interview. "I'm coming, my friend."

Plant (21-0, 12 KOs) was certainly listening, and he sounds as if he welcomes the challenge. Although a deal hasn't been reached, Plant told ESPN on Tuesday that their teams are going to sit down very soon and try to get it figured out.

"I know that's what he wants," Plant said of the Mexican superstar, who holds the other three belts in the division. "I've been saying it's what I want, and I know it's a lot that goes into making a megafight other than just two fighters wanting to get in there, but as far as I'm concerned, we can get it going."

Plant, the current IBF super middleweight titleholder, says he has the tools to become the undisputed champion with a victory over Alvarez. He has already started training at Las Vegas' City Boxing Club with hopes of getting a contract done soon and accomplishing his longtime goal of becoming the first undisputed super middleweight champion in boxing history.

"The opportunity's in front of me. It wouldn't matter who it was," Plant told ESPN. "It's Canelo, so that's who it is, but it's not about Canelo. It's about the belts. It's about my journey. It's about what I want to accomplish. I'm not focused on him and what he's got going on. I'm focused on what I've got going on."

Although Alvarez is widely respected as arguably one of the best fighters in the sport, Plant feels that "he can't f--- with me." He says he possesses a certain skill set, willpower, determination and work ethic that people in his division can't keep up with as he's entering his prime years as a fighter.

"I've always been the person that, when it's time to step to the plate under a big situation, that's when I perform my best," Plant told ESPN. "Some fighters are better when there's no one in the crowd, and some fighters are best when they're under the gun and the whole world is watching. I've always performed best in front of big crowds, and it'll be no different when that fight gets signed and we're able to make it happen."

In his last bout, Plant dominated Caleb Truax en route to a unanimous decision victory to retain his title in January in his third defense. If a bout against Alvarez isn't able to get made, Plant said that he hadn't thought about potential opponents but that he is confident that his team will put him in the best possible position to be successful. He won the IBF world super middleweight title in January 2019 with a decisive victory over Jose Uzcategui by unanimous decision.

Still, he says he doesn't get the "respect I feel I deserve."

"But it's always been that way for me in the sport, and it's something that I have come to accept. It's something that I like,"
Plant said. "I like being in that position, and it makes me fight better.

"I feel like becoming undisputed would be a big step in the right direction."

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 20 May 2021, 12:23
by Enlightened-One
Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?

The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.

Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.

The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...

However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.

He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).

Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.

And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.

I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.

It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.

Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.

Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 22 May 2021, 21:51
by JxhDel.
Plant gets a rude awakening.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 23 May 2021, 12:13
by Ruthless-RKO
He wants $10m for the IBF belt


Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 23 May 2021, 12:36
by ironbeard
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 23 May 2021, 12:13 He wants $10m for the IBF belt

That’s reasonable, IMO.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 23 May 2021, 15:59
by caldo2025
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 May 2021, 12:23 Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?

The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.

Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.

The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...

However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.

He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).

Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.

And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.

I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.

It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.

Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.

Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.
I think that you are underestimating Plant with the whole “weight of schedule” that you put way too much stock into when comparing Boxers. Plant is an undefeated fighter, like BJS was, but the big difference is that not only has Plant not lost a fight since turning pro- you would be hard pressed to even find a round that Plant clearly lost in any of these pro fights. BJS has had fights that he had lost in public opinion prior to fighting Canelo

Sure, Plant’s resume is rather light but I’m not sure which fight failed that eye test of yours bc he’s looked dynamic in every fight I’ve seen. I think that he presents a unique set of skills for Canelo. He will be the best defensive boxer Canelo has faced since FM but Plant also possesses those crazy twitchy reflexes that all of the greats display.

I view Plant as a scientific boxer that would prefer to win a decision on points and not get hit. That’s not a great dancing mate for Canelo because i really don’t think Canelo will be able to press this guy and turn it into a Canelo-type fight. It could be a horribly boring fight as a result bc I think that Plant could be the first one in recent memory to be able to keep Canelo at bay for 12 rounds.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 23 May 2021, 16:24
by gregregegg
caldo2025 wrote: 23 May 2021, 15:59
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 May 2021, 12:23 Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?

The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.

Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.

The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...

However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.

He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).

Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.

And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.

I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.

It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.

Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.

Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.
I think that you are underestimating Plant with the whole “weight of schedule” that you put way too much stock into when comparing Boxers. Plant is an undefeated fighter, like BJS was, but the big difference is that not only has Plant not lost a fight since turning pro- you would be hard pressed to even find a round that Plant clearly lost in any of these pro fights. BJS has had fights that he had lost in public opinion prior to fighting Canelo

Sure, Plant’s resume is rather light but I’m not sure which fight failed that eye test of yours bc he’s looked dynamic in every fight I’ve seen. I think that he presents a unique set of skills for Canelo. He will be the best defensive boxer Canelo has faced since FM but Plant also possesses those crazy twitchy reflexes that all of the greats display.

I view Plant as a scientific boxer that would prefer to win a decision on points and not get hit. That’s not a great dancing mate for Canelo because i really don’t think Canelo will be able to press this guy and turn it into a Canelo-type fight. It could be a horribly boring fight as a result bc I think that Plant could be the first one in recent memory to be able to keep Canelo at bay for 12 rounds.
Hard to put to much quality on opponent quality. I could go 20 and i and never lose a round and I’ve never laced a glove... just have to box a couple of dozen double arm amputees.

Plants resume shows us he is better than c grade.. the way he did it suggests he is b grade, there is no way you can look at his body of work and determine he will give canelo problems.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 23 May 2021, 17:46
by Ruthless-RKO
The last real threat to beating Canelo in recent times, has been GGG, no one since.. not even Jacob’s or BJS.

But unfortunately, GGG won, but never got the decision.

So whether Plant is calculated, or has a certain approach, Canelo is better than him in every department. Not saying Plant is not good, but he’s just not gonna beat Canelo.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 24 May 2021, 10:06
by caldo2025
gregregegg wrote: 23 May 2021, 16:24
caldo2025 wrote: 23 May 2021, 15:59
Enlightened-One wrote: 20 May 2021, 12:23 Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?

The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.

Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.

The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...

However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.

He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).

Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.

And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.

I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.

It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.

Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.

Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.
I think that you are underestimating Plant with the whole “weight of schedule” that you put way too much stock into when comparing Boxers. Plant is an undefeated fighter, like BJS was, but the big difference is that not only has Plant not lost a fight since turning pro- you would be hard pressed to even find a round that Plant clearly lost in any of these pro fights. BJS has had fights that he had lost in public opinion prior to fighting Canelo

Sure, Plant’s resume is rather light but I’m not sure which fight failed that eye test of yours bc he’s looked dynamic in every fight I’ve seen. I think that he presents a unique set of skills for Canelo. He will be the best defensive boxer Canelo has faced since FM but Plant also possesses those crazy twitchy reflexes that all of the greats display.

I view Plant as a scientific boxer that would prefer to win a decision on points and not get hit. That’s not a great dancing mate for Canelo because i really don’t think Canelo will be able to press this guy and turn it into a Canelo-type fight. It could be a horribly boring fight as a result bc I think that Plant could be the first one in recent memory to be able to keep Canelo at bay for 12 rounds.
Hard to put to much quality on opponent quality. I could go 20 and i and never lose a round and I’ve never laced a glove... just have to box a couple of dozen double arm amputees.

Plants resume shows us he is better than c grade.. the way he did it suggests he is b grade, there is no way you can look at his body of work and determine he will give canelo problems.
When you watch boxing religiously for 40 years, it’s easy to identify special talent. I would definitely call Plant a special talent both offensively and especially defensively.

Canelo is in his prime and clearly just needs one shot to end a night. There’s really only one guy out there skilled enough and physically fit enough to stay clean for 12 rounds and I really think that is Plant. Very tough target to hit and he’s got that patience inside the ring required to avoid Canelo’s many traps.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 24 May 2021, 10:23
by Enlightened-One
caldo2025 wrote: 24 May 2021, 10:06When you watch boxing religiously for 40 years, it’s easy to identify special talent. I would definitely call Plant a special talent both offensively and especially defensively.
Which Caleb Plant fight(s) did you watch that persuaded you to consider the American as being a special talent.

His resume is as bad as Demetrius Andrade's, but he doesn't possess Boo Boo's amateur pedigree.

I'm not criticising you or even challenging your opinion, because if you can advise me on which fights you consider as his career highlights, then I’m willing to review the video’s and revise my opinion accordingly.

I’ve only watched four Caleb Plant fights, two of which were against his career-best opponents (Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui). And I haven’t seen anything yet to suggest he poses any sort of threat to Canelo.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 24 May 2021, 11:19
by caldo2025
Enlightened-One wrote: 24 May 2021, 10:23
caldo2025 wrote: 24 May 2021, 10:06When you watch boxing religiously for 40 years, it’s easy to identify special talent. I would definitely call Plant a special talent both offensively and especially defensively.
Which Caleb Plant fight(s) did you watch that persuaded you to consider the American as being a special talent.

His resume is as bad as Demetrius Andrade's, but he doesn't possess Boo Boo's amateur pedigree.

I'm not criticising you or even challenging your opinion, because if you can advise me on which fights you consider as his career highlights, then I’m willing to review the video’s and revise my opinion accordingly.

I’ve only watched four Caleb Plant fights, two of which were against his career-best opponents (Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui). And I haven’t seen anything yet to suggest he poses any sort of threat to Canelo.
We are probably talking about the 4 same Plant fights here honestly. Again, you clearly base most of your opinions here on resume. I do not. You pointed to GGG’s resume as being the reason why Canelo would defeat him in both fights. How did those two fights turn out? GGG clearly won both.

There’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that Plant will be the most athletically talented boxer that Canelo has fought since Floyd. Canelo has clearly feasted on Brits for good reason. These Brits, God love them, we’re game and tough boxers but they aren’t anywhere near the type of athlete we have here in Plant.

Look, here’s my prediction. We are more than 6 months away from the fight. Canelo and Plant fight to a decision where Canelo wins bc his obvious Floyd-like pre-bought judges hand him the fight that most thought was a Plant victory.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 24 May 2021, 14:41
by Enlightened-One
caldo2025 wrote: 24 May 2021, 11:19Again, you clearly base most of your opinions here on resume. I do not. You pointed to GGG’s resume as being the reason why Canelo would defeat him in both fights. How did those two fights turn out?
All I did was ask you a very simple question in a very polite manner and you resort to childish lies. Why on earth would you do that?

Here's my prediction of the Canelo-GGG bout from 2017 (click on the hyperlink to read the entire post):

"If GGG gets clearly robbed, would Canelo give him a rematch?"
Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Sep 2017, 05:35I’m a Golovkin fan, but I appreciate Canelo also, but whilst I sincerely expect the Kazakh to emerge victorious against the Mexican, it is entirely possible that he could lose fair-and-square.
On a separate note, I feel a fighter’s resume is important, because the eyeball test is useless whenever we see them engage in mismatches.

I’ve only seen four Caleb Plant fights and his resume is dire (in the context of him being universally regarded as a top-three world-rated rated 168lb-er) . So I thought I’d ask you to explain the reason why you consider the American to be a “special” talent.

I was hoping to learn something from you (assuming you knew more about him than I did), because I don’t know much about Caleb Plant, but I wish I’d never bothered to ask.

Finally, do you think I’ve got a poor track-record predicting the outcomes of fights?

Don't just impulsively say "YES" in a knee-jerk manner, fact-check and establish the truth.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 25 May 2021, 11:11
by Ruthless-RKO
Canelo Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant negotiations start this week for September fight

Eddie Hearn will start negotiations this week for the September undisputed 168-lb showdown between world champions Canelo Alvarez and Caleb Plant for the Mexican Independence Day holiday weekend.

The Matchroom Boxing promoter Hearn admits that it’s going to be an expensive fight to put together for the superstar Canelo, as the unbeaten IBF super middleweight champion Plant (21-0, 12 KOs) is in an excellent bargaining position.

Plant, 28, has the final title at 168 that Canelo (56-1-2, 38 KOs) needs to become the undisputed four-belt champion. Knowing that he has the final piece of the puzzle that Alvarez wants for him to make history, Plant is going to ask for the moon & the sky.

Plant wants big money

We’re already hearing rumors that Plant wants $15 million for the fight, and he’s admitted that $10 million is a good ballpark figure. Plant can play hardball with Canelo and possibly get the $15M, maybe more.

It depends on how much the Mexican star values his IBF strap, as that’s pretty much the main thing that Plant has going for him.

There’s arguably a heck of a lot more interest from the boxing world in a fight between Canelo and Jermall Charlo, Gennadiy Golovkin, or David Benavidez than there is a match with Plant.

The fans are not demanding that Canelo fight Plant, and for a good reason. Plant’s resume is filled with moderate-level fighters like 38-year-old Caleb Truax, Mike Lee, Vincent Feigenbutz, and Jose Uzcategui.

It’s pretty clear from taking a glance at Plant’s lackluster resume that he’s been brought along very carefully by his management at PBC. They’ve kept Plant safe and out of harm’s way by not throwing him in with David Benavidez, Charlo, Dimitry Bivol, Gilberto Ramirez, or David Morrell.

Whether Hearn can deal Plant down to $8 million, which is the number that Canelo’s last opponent received, is unclear.

Canelo was in a good position to negotiate for his last fight against WBO super middleweight champion Billy Joe Saunders, as the British fighter hadn’t been active with his career and he was a complete unknown in the U.S as far as the casual boxing fans go.

“It’s expensive, but it’s an undisputed fight,” Hearn said to the DAZN Boxing Show on the Canelo – Plant negotiations.

“Caleb should be making a lot of money for that fight. This week, we start those conversations about Caleb Plant,” Hearn continued.

“I’ve got to present the best opportunity to Canelo Alvarez and Louis DeCubas and Al Haymon have to present the best opportunities to Caleb Plant.”

“It’s about the opportunities for the fighters. That’s the natural fight to make next, and hopefully, we can get it,”
said Hearn.

Canelo should let the Plant fight marinate

If Canelo wants to drive the price down for the Plant fight, all he needs to do is let the match marinate for a year or two before fighting him.

Eventually, Plant will have to fight a live body like Benavidez, and when that happens, it’s likely to end badly for him. Plant has been lucky thus far with the International Boxing Federation giving high rankings to mediocre fighters instead of the talented ones.

If Plant had to defend against David Benavidez as his IBF mandatory instead of 38-year-old Truax, we’d be talking about a Canelo-Benavidez fight in September.

Of course, Canelo might not have the same type of interest in unifying the division if Benavidez was someone that he had to go through to earn his final belt.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think so. I smell fear. Canelo has shown zero interest in fighting Benavidez all this time, which can only mean one thing. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Again, if Canelo wants to drive Plant’s price down, he needs to ignore him and wait to see what happens when the IBF eventually ranks a talented mandatory like Benavidez for him to face.

I don’t think Plant would ever agree on his own to fight a dangerous guy like Benavidez without him being forced to kicking and screaming.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 25 May 2021, 11:42
by ironbeard
Canelo won’t wait around, based on recent activity. Plant will get $10 million, if not 12. The king of boxing has higher priorities than an extra $2 mil.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 26 May 2021, 01:43
by margaret thatcher
im surprised he's only calling for 10m, defo seems like not an unreasonable amount considering what other canelo opponents have got

btw, caleb's beard may have quantity but lacks quality, not very sharp at all

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 26 May 2021, 04:56
by Enlightened-One
margaret thatcher wrote: 26 May 2021, 01:43 im surprised he's only calling for 10m, defo seems like not an unreasonable amount considering what other canelo opponents have got
Caleb Plant only earned:

• $150K against Uzcategui
• $750K against Lee
• $750K against Truax

Saunders' guarantee was $2.5m and Smith's guarantee was $4m, with both fighters ultimately receiving in the region of $8m when they fought Canelo.

Both Brits were accustomed to earning seven-digit paydays (more than Plant typically earns) and they also brought more to the table commercially (not only to the fight income, but also adding subscribers to DAZN's newly-acquired UK customer base).

Therefore, Caleb Plant won't be receiving a $10m guarantee for the Canelo bout.

If the American is unwilling to compromise and meet the Mexican halfway, then Canelo will simply walk away and fight someone else.

And if this happens, this will be the third time Caleb Plant has declined an opportunity to fight Canelo.

Capturing the IBF strap will only have a trivial (to the point of being negligible) impact on Canelo's legacy and future earnings - it's not worth several millions of dollars to him.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 26 May 2021, 16:54
by adislav123
i think it's very important to him. he wants to make history. that means ALL the marbles!

that belt is more worth to him than 'several million dollars'.

doesn't mean that he will allow plant to extort him.

he will pay plant sufficiently. plant won't be complaining i guess.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 27 May 2021, 06:21
by Ruthless-RKO
He seems happy with $10m.. He probably 'deserves' less, but he's not asking for the world.

Thatts his valuation of the IBF belt and losing it, and setting up himself and his family for life.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 27 May 2021, 06:37
by Ruthless-RKO
On his expected purse figures

“I’m not trying to price myself out. Maybe there’s a misconception — I’m not looking to price myself out of a fight that I want and a fight that I know in my heart that I can win. But I also don’t want to get anything less (than I’m worth). When it comes to fighting over here in America, I don’t have the fan base that Canelo does, but I have a bigger fan base over here than Callum (Smith) and Billy (Joe Saunders) do, and I bring a lot more views than Callum and Billy do.”

On the belief he wants $10 million for the fight

“We’re going to sit down here real soon and get things worked out. But, you know, ($10 million) sounds about right, or somewhere in there. I’m not really sure, and I’m not gonna say for sure. I have a great team around me and what I know best is fighting. I don’t know — I’m not completely clueless on the negotiations, but what I do best is fighting. As far as sitting down and negotiating, that’s what I have a team for. That’s why Canelo has a team. We’ll leave that job to them. When it comes to fighting, me and him will do that best.”

On fighting on PBC pay-per-view or DAZN

“I don’t think it’s a secret that fighting on pay-per-view would bring a lot more revenue as opposed to fighting on an app. It would be leaving millions on the table, not just for myself, but much more millions for him. I guess I would just wonder why — again, I’m not negotiating, I have a team for that, but I would just wonder why he would want to leave those millions on the table.”

On fighting Canelo for the undisputed title

“I’d put it near the top (for me). I’ve been doing this for a long time. I’ve sacrificed a lot for this, I’ve worked really hard for this. This has been my dream, to be undisputed and on the pound-for-pound list, leave a legacy in boxing that people can’t erase. I’ve thought this out many times in my head. I know how far I’m willing to go to get my hand raised.”

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - TBA

Posted: 27 May 2021, 09:38
by caldo2025
Enlightened-One wrote: 24 May 2021, 14:41
caldo2025 wrote: 24 May 2021, 11:19Again, you clearly base most of your opinions here on resume. I do not. You pointed to GGG’s resume as being the reason why Canelo would defeat him in both fights. How did those two fights turn out?
All I did was ask you a very simple question in a very polite manner and you resort to childish lies. Why on earth would you do that?

Here's my prediction of the Canelo-GGG bout from 2017 (click on the hyperlink to read the entire post):

"If GGG gets clearly robbed, would Canelo give him a rematch?"
Enlightened-One wrote: 11 Sep 2017, 05:35I’m a Golovkin fan, but I appreciate Canelo also, but whilst I sincerely expect the Kazakh to emerge victorious against the Mexican, it is entirely possible that he could lose fair-and-square.
On a separate note, I feel a fighter’s resume is important, because the eyeball test is useless whenever we see them engage in mismatches.

I’ve only seen four Caleb Plant fights and his resume is dire (in the context of him being universally regarded as a top-three world-rated rated 168lb-er) . So I thought I’d ask you to explain the reason why you consider the American to be a “special” talent.

I was hoping to learn something from you (assuming you knew more about him than I did), because I don’t know much about Caleb Plant, but I wish I’d never bothered to ask.

Finally, do you think I’ve got a poor track-record predicting the outcomes of fights?

Don't just impulsively say "YES" in a knee-jerk manner, fact-check and establish the truth.
I’ve got no problem with your track record. I just think that fans that follow Boxing for a long period of time have that extra sensory when observing talent that goes above and beyond staring at a bunch of names on a piece of paper and basing the majority of decisions on strengths of schedule.

Here’s what I know for a fact-Plant is the most athletic and most nimble fighter Canelo will be in the ring with in many years. Let’s be honest, Canelo has feasted on name brand boxers who were either aging or very stationary. Go ahead and look at his impressive resume. You’d have to go back to his only defeat 8 years ago to find a top athlete but even Floyd admits to being past his prime for that matchup.

Look, Canelo is F’ng awesome right now. Who knows if there is a guy on the planet that could avoid the multitude of traps he lays for 12 rounds. But I know that it’s going to take a slick athletic boxer in his prime to have the best shot at it. Plant and Charlo’s are the ones that will pose the most problems for Canelo in my opinion. And I’d like to see Canelo start fighting these young lions now so we can really see how great he is. He could be the one but he needs to show me against these young guys.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 27 May 2021, 13:14
by ironbeard
David Benavidez is a legit threat.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 2021

Posted: 10 Jun 2021, 10:08
by Ruthless-RKO
Promoter Eddie Hearn confirms Matchroom Boxing will start negotiations for Canelo vs Caleb Plant for September

Hearn seeks to arrange Canelo vs. Plant undisputed clash

Promoter Eddie Hearn confirmed that Matchroom Boxing and Canelo Promotions will start negotiations to get the Caleb Plant fight, most likely in September.

Saúl “Canelo” Álvarez aims to be the undisputed champion of the 168 pounds division before 2021 concludes. So, he must defeat American Caleb Plant, who`s holder of the IBF super middleweight title.

In an interview with DAZN, Hearn confirmed that they will send a formal offer to PBC, who is directing Caleb’s career, to get things cracking.

"Canelo” Álvarez is already in the United States ready to start his training camp, after the honeymoon he had with his wife Fernanda Gómez in Europe.

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 11, 2021

Posted: 17 Jun 2021, 04:13
by Ruthless-RKO
Canelo vs Caleb Plant currently in negotiations stage

Canelo Alvarez is in talks with promoter Eddie Hearn to face Caleb Plant on September 11 as he intends to unify the super middleweight division by the end of 2021.

Mexican star Canelo, 30, cemented his legacy as one of the greatest boxers of all-time when he became the WBO super middleweight champion by forcing Briton Billy Joe Saunders to quit on his stool, releiving him of his WBO belt.

Plant, 28, has held the IBF version of the world title since 2019 and could now put it on the line against the pound-for-pound king.

Some boxing fans had been hoping to see the 30-year-old take on former rival Gennady Golovkin, but he has already rejected the idea of fighting the Kazakh for a third time this summer.

And now, it seems he is fully focused on capturing the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle as he plans to unify the 168-pound titles this year.

According to Hearn, he has been in contact with Alvarez about hosting the undisputed title fight on the DAZN streaming service.

In a famously acrimonious split, Canelo, who has a professional record of 56-1-2 (38 KOs), announced he would no longer be working with DAZN, having terminated his contract with his former management company Golden Boy Promotions.

However, it appears he has now changed his mind, as his fight with Saunders drew a staggering 400,000 new subscribers on DAZN in the United States alone.

And with Matchroom Boxing chief Hearn having previously worked with Plant's manager Al Haymon, he remains confident he can get the deal over the line.

“Hopefully we will have a Canelo Alvarez undisputed fight on September 11 on the platform," Hearn said to the Daily Star. “It is hard to say but it is almost like a tribute to that date.

“We've been talking to DAZN about a number of ideas for around the first responders and stuff like that.

“We've spoken to MGM and they feel like it is to be looked at as a tribute to that date – a date when we can incorporate a number of activities to give those people the respect they deserve."

Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - September 11, 2021

Posted: 17 Jun 2021, 04:29
by margaret thatcher
wow, so heartfelt from eddie there, just would be an amazing gesture of gratitude and thanks and giving to make it a 9-11 tribute. gotta all give him lots of love for that, what a good guy