Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - November 6, 2021

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Who wins?

Poll ended at 06 Nov 2021, 15:49

Canelo - Decision
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21%
Canelo - T/KO
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56%
DRAW
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1%
Plant - T/KO
4
4%
Plant - Decision
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19%
 
Total votes: 102

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Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - November 6, 2021

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Sources: Canelo Alvarez, Caleb Plant agree to terms on undisputed super middleweight title bout in November

Boxing's top star and Caleb Plant have agreed to terms for a November pay-per-view fight, sources told ESPN, that will be presented by PBC along with Canelo Promotions.

The deal ends weeks of stop-and-start negotiations between ESPN's No. 1 pound-for-pound boxer and PBC founder Al Haymon. Alvarez, who holds three 168-pound titles, and Plant, who owns the other belt, will battle to be crowned undisputed super middleweight champion.

The fight was originally being eyed for Sept. 18 in Las Vegas, but at the eleventh hour, the deal fell apart. Alvarez then entered talks for a light heavyweight title challenge of Dmitry Bivol, but before a deal could be completed, the Mexican great decided to delay his return until November so he could focus on a full training camp in San Diego.

Alvarez, 31, also wanted to focus on the man he wanted all along: Plant. More so than the man, really, is what Canelo wants to be: undisputed.

After Alvarez (56-1-2, 38 KOs) shattered Billy Joe Saunders' orbital bone in May, a ninth-round TKO to collect a third 168-pound title, he delivered a message to Plant: "I'm coming, my friend."

Plant (21-0, 12 KOs), ESPN's No. 3 boxer at 168 pounds, is the first Haymon champion to earn a crack at Alvarez, but he might not be the last. The deal between Canelo and PBC is for one fight, per sources, but there's reason to believe Alvarez will continue to face off against boxers from the stable. David Benavidez, ESPN's No. 2 super middleweight, is aligned with PBC, as is Jermall Charlo, the middleweight champion who plans to jump to 168 at some point.

Alvarez's last three fights were streamed on DAZN and promoted by Eddie Hearn's Matchroom. Although Hearn won't be involved with the promotion of the event, sources said, he's expected to work on behalf of Canelo Promotions.

A 29-year-old Nashville native, Plant thought he had a deal with Alvarez last month after agreeing to a purse worth upward of $10 million. When the pact collapsed, Plant told ESPN: "His bark is bigger than his bite."

Plant said Alvarez was set to earn more than $40 million (a career high) along with Mexican TV revenue and his Hennessy sponsorship. The sticking point, Plant said at the time, was an insistence from the Canelo side on a very particular contingency plan.

"If I get injured or sick, then he gets a late replacement for the same amount of guaranteed money, but if he gets sick or injured, then we've got to wait for him," he said.

In the event a suitable replacement couldn't be mutually agreed upon for Sept. 18, sources said, the event would be canceled rather than rescheduled.

This time around, the differences were ironed out.

Alvarez will have his chance to be called undisputed. So, too, will Plant, who will be seeking something far more: to prove he's for real in his first legitimate challenge, but also the best in the world.



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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Does Canelo just self promote? He already has Canelo Promotions.

He could do a fight-by-fight basis with Showtime, without being linked to PBC.

It’s interesting times..
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Gotta be a great fight. Plant is a one of the most intriguing matchups for Canelo. The worst performances of Canelo were against slick boxers. Plant is slick, polished and hunrgy. Hopefully it happens.
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Canelo should have too much skill for Plant , but he will have to eat some leather :bag:

if this happens ...
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Plant-Lee did around 1.5m views on FOX. Or was it 1.15m.. wasn’t the best exposure, but Canelo is the ratings/PPV driver.

Canelo can maximise his own income, if he is self promoted and on top of that, PPV. If he’s fighting the right opponents.
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Plant slick boxing skill can prevent him from being stopped, but i can see Alvarez taking clear points decision here. I know i am in minority here but i am huge fan of Canelo Alvarez :box:
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Interesting!

Does the strong rumours surrounding this fight suggest that Canelo has already joined forces with the PBC and/or Al Haymon?

I wonder if his training buddy, Ryan Garcia, will try to leave GBP and follow Canelo’s lead.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Nov 2020, 06:19 Interesting!

Does the strong rumours surrounding this fight suggest that Canelo has already joined forces with the PBC and/or Al Haymon?

I wonder if his training buddy, Ryan Garcia, will try to leave GBP and follow Canelo’s lead.
As I said above, he doesn't need to align with PBC/Al Haymon does he?

He can remain self-promoted. His trainer is also his manager. He could look at just being a full time free agent and do fight-by-fight bases with Showtime can't he? He won't need to be signed with PBC would he?

The next few months are going to be interestin. If Canelo beats Plant, then I will consider him a true 4-weight world champion.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 07 Nov 2020, 06:43
Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Nov 2020, 06:19 Interesting!

Does the strong rumours surrounding this fight suggest that Canelo has already joined forces with the PBC and/or Al Haymon?

I wonder if his training buddy, Ryan Garcia, will try to leave GBP and follow Canelo’s lead.
As I said above, he doesn't need to align with PBC/Al Haymon does he?

He can remain self-promoted. His trainer is also his manager. He could look at just being a full time free agent and do fight-by-fight bases with Showtime can't he? He won't need to be signed with PBC would he?

The next few months are going to be interestin. If Canelo beats Plant, then I will consider him a true 4-weight world champion.
Most of the PBC fighters aren’t managed by Haymon. He’s just their advisor.

And most of the PBC fighters are also self-promoted.

Most of the promoters that work with the PBC don’t have contractual ties with Al Haymon.

And I can’t imagine Canelo having bouts televised by a traditionally Al Haymon network (i.e. Fox or Showtime) without establishing some sort of relationship (even the if it’s non-contractual) with the PBC chief.

And let’s not forget that. Caleb Plant is a PBC/Haymon fighter.

Finally, if Canelo does start promoting his own events, he’s going to need fighters to appear on the undercard... and those can easily be sourced by the absolutely massive PBC stable.
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Caleb is a good fight for Canelo. I guess Canelo just wants to be his own boss and have the freedom to pick and choose any opponent he wants without being 'forced' by a promotion company, etc.
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Canelo Alvarez expected to adopt Floyd Mayweather Pay Per View model

Canelo Alvarez looks set to use the model deployed by Floyd Mayweather at the end of his career to make even more money than the $365 million he negotiated with DAZN.

The pound for pound king has rallied to break free from a contract that was worth $36.5m per fight. The Mexican obviously believes he can make even more money than the mega-bucks on offer.

What is completely evident, though, is that Canelo needs to be back on Pay Per View.

Showtime, ESPN, and PBC on FOX are all expected to compete for Canelo’s lucrative signature, who certainly wasn’t completely happy with his old place on a streaming service.

Should Canelo take the PPV plunge once again, it will only be on his terms. Signing with Al Haymon, Top Rank, or perhaps Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao’s promotional companies seems out of the question.

Canelo is set to go it alone. Adopting the Floyd Mayweather way of doing things.

At the tail end of his pro stint, Mayweather signed a six-fight, three-year deal with Showtime that was highly successful. Something similar is what Canelo will be aiming to announce in the coming days.

Taking it event-by-event is also an option, but any of the PPV platforms will want Canelo tied down exclusively for more than just one fight.
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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Ok on a short budget and short notice.

Canelo wins every round though
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PBC! PBC! PBC! :yay:
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So it seems that Canelo is expected to go down the PPV route and also promote his own events.

In that scenario, he'll need to establish business ties with the likes of Al Haymon, Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn, since he will need to face opponents and also have fighters appearing on his undercards.

So Canelo will inevitably have to choose which side of the street to compete on, even if he refrains from contractually tying himself to Bob Arum or the Haymon.

I reckon the PBC seems more likely, but I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see how things pan out.
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Canelo Hopes To Announce Date, Opponent in Next Few Days

Mexican superstar Saul "Canelo" Alvarez views last Friday as one of the most important days of his career.

That was the day that Canelo's handlers confirmed his free agency.

Canelo was involved in an ongoing breach of contract lawsuit against DAZN and Golden Boy Promotions.

The two sides reached an agreement last week, which allows Canelo to be a free agent with no contractual ties to a promoter or network.

Canelo is now hoping to fight before the year is over.

He last saw action in November 2019, with a knockout victory over Sergey Kovalev to capture the WBO light heavyweight title. He vacated the belt not long after.

There were plans for a return, in May, at the super middleweight limit. The event was canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Since Friday, a date of December 19 has been mentioned, but Canelo says the date is not concrete.

"I hope that [this] week we can have something done, something concrete and be able to announce what day, with whom, where it will be," said Canelo in an interview with Rodolfo Vargas.

“I don't care if it's December 19 or Christmas, I don't care, what I want is to fight this year and on any day. For me, when you have to work you have to work and I am willing to sacrifice anything."

Canelo holds the WBA middleweight title and the WBA "regular" title at super middleweight.

Regarding the potential opponents, among those mentioned in the last few months include Caleb Plant, Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders and Ryota Murata.

“What I want is to make good fights and for people to see great fights, and they are all good fighters. We are going to see which one of them is more comfortable and ready for December," Canelo said.
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Canelo Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant appears to be dead for December

Canelo Alvarez won’t be fighting Caleb Plant next on December 19th as hoped. There wasn’t enough time for Canelo (53-1-2, 36 KOs) and IBF super-middleweight champion Plant (20-0, 12 KOs) to build the December 19th for pay-per-view, according to Mike Coppinger.

It was too good to be true about Canelo fighting Plant. Many boxing fans were interested in seeing that fight, as it was a true 50-50 type of match on paper. It’s still possible for Canelo to fight Plant in the future, possibly in 2021.

Hopefully, Canelo doesn’t use this opportunity to face Avni Yildirim in December because that’s a fight that is perceived to be a horrible mismatch.

There won’t be much interest from fans seeing Canelo face Yildirim for the vacant WBC super-middleweight title. That would be a huge downgrade from Plant for Canelo.

Canelo still plans on fighting, but the options are less appealing. Matchroom Boxing promoter Eddie Hearn is interested in Canelo facing his fighters Callum Smith or John Ryder on DAZN. Hearn will be overjoyed if Canelo picks Ryder or Smith for his December fight.

Canelo Alvarez considering Callum Smith, Billy Joe Saunders, and Caleb Plant for Dec.19th
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Disappointing news, but I’d still like to see Canelo compete before the end of the year, even if it’s against Avni Yildirim.

It’ll allow him to collect a title and take his first step towards unifying the 168lbs division.

2020 has been such a lousy year for boxing, but it would be good if it could end on a high note, with the likes of Canelo, Crawford, Spence Jr.-Garcia, Joyce-Dubois, Joshua, Fury, Parker, Saunders, Andrade, Jacobs and Yoka competing before the end of December.
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Appears to be Callum Smith......good fight.
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Smith fight is interesting, it would also be the 2nd time he’s fought 2 brothers (for the geeks!)
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will it be at rehydration clause "canelo weight" again?

in an unification they surely should fvck off with that shit.

would make all the difference.

a unnaturally drained smith restricted to 10 lbs rehydration will be vulnerable to canelo's crippling paralyzing body blows.

a fully hydrated smith if he doesn't get clipped should win the fight QUITE clearly... BUT never in hell will he get the decision.
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littlepug wrote: 11 Nov 2020, 20:18 Smith fight is interesting, it would also be the 2nd time he’s fought 2 brothers (for the geeks!)
fought the mosley cousins too :yay:
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Having not seen any of Caleb plant realy, im super curious as to how there is so much hype on him... Just going off his boxrec (never a great way to judge).
- He has fought 2 guys that are decent, one he won every round and stopped him fair play dominating a fringe top 20 guy is decent i guess, one of which he lost half the rounds to and won a decision due to knockdowns (lost the 2nd half of the fight, never great)....
-his other 18 fights on his record are all outside top 50. and of them he mainly stopped guys that are outside the top 300 and went the distance with guys that were in the 50-300th in the world range... (based loosely on their score at the time of fighting plant)

This isnt ment to be strait hate, im just wondering why someone with a record like that can be considered a great fight for arguably p4p 1, and some people even going so far as to call it a 50-50 fight.... is there something you see watching him that dosent come through on his record? i might have to dig into a youtube session..
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Re: Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez vs. Caleb Plant - December 2020?

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We all know Canelo, he's the P4P Number 1, he's earned it.
This fight is likely a contractual agreement type of bout I'd imagine, he has to do it to make the bigger fights down the road.
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