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stujones wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 10:52

brilo33 wrote: ↑06 Jul 2022, 20:06

Syntax Error wrote: ↑03 Jul 2022, 10:28 Even if you don't like the man, for what ever reason, no right thinking boxing fan could dislike the fighter.

One of the finest boxers to come out of the UK and with a resume to die for.

Always fought the best and wasn't scared to get on an aeroplane every now and then for big fights either.

so true when we talk about the super 6 tourney, Dirrell was the only fight in the uk he had , absolute british polish fighting icon no one touches him for me

A warrior for sure and I think largely underated in terms of his attributes. I think he seems to have been remembered as a limited warrior when clearly he had a lot more going for him than that.

Definately lost to Dirrell though and I think Groves doesn't get enough credit for his part in the rematch - that fight seems to have gone down in folklore as if Froch won every round and then KO'd Groves - it wasn't. Smashing KO though.

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:24 got a gift in Groves 1

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:24 got a gift in Groves 1

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 13:04 who knows if he would have eventually got to Groves,

Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:45 Wasn't a fan early on because if his arrogance.
Liked him in the Pascal fight, loved him after that.

One of the sports greatest over-achievers, in a way. Compared to the top lads, he was slow, flat-footed, defensively poor and showed quite poor technique.
What he did have, was bollocks the size of an Iceberg, a chin made of titanium, an engine that belonged in a diesel tractor and a will to win that was unbelievable to see.
The qualities that he did have, he had in absolute spades.
Proper hardman, one of our very best fighters.

Still think he's a bit of a twat, mind.... But he's our twat.

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:24 got a gift in Groves 1

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

GreenLightning wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 14:35

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:24 got a gift in Groves 1

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

You can definately doubt the outcome since it was far from conclusive, even though it's unlikely Froch loses, we have to actually see the fight play out to know, otherwise what's the point in fighting in the first place if it's just about what might happen on paper

The second fight is what you call conclusive

maverick23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 03:19

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 17:15

GreenLightning wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 14:35

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

You can definately doubt the outcome since it was far from conclusive, even though it's unlikely Froch loses, we have to actually see the fight play out to know, otherwise what's the point in fighting in the first place if it's just about what might happen on paper

The second fight is what you call conclusive

You're being far too binary about it - we all know there are countless fights where the outcome is clear before the end itself - the reason that fights like Corrales vs Castillo are seared on the memory is that they're the exception to the rule, not the norm.
As I've already said, it was a dreadful stoppage and Groves should have been allowed to continue, but at that point the consensus was clearly (and understandably) that it was just a matter of time before Froch finished it. Do we know definitively, no, but I think it's reasonable to talk about it as a 90% likelihood of a Froch victory at that point. Therefore for me calling it a gift isn't accurate.

liamlion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 18:27 Unbelievable fitness and so robust. A hard man with a strange personality.

A rare fighter who didn’t really need to cut weight to make the weight, walking around at slightly over 12st.

Boxing is less interesting without him.

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 13:04

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:24 got a gift in Groves 1

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

The decision was a complete gift, who knows if he would have eventually got to Groves, we were robbed of that.
If Groves had got on his bike and fiddled his way through he would have won on points as his lead should have been unassailable

GreenLightning wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 08:47

liamlion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 18:27 Unbelievable fitness and so robust. A hard man with a strange personality.

A rare fighter who didn’t really need to cut weight to make the weight, walking around at slightly over 12st.

Boxing is less interesting without him.

Strange how Ward called him "unathletic" when he's one the fittest guys to do it, but Americans sometimes confuse explosiveness and speed with athleticism rather than fitness

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 20:16

GreenLightning wrote: ↑08 Jul 2022, 08:47

liamlion wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 18:27 Unbelievable fitness and so robust. A hard man with a strange personality.

A rare fighter who didn’t really need to cut weight to make the weight, walking around at slightly over 12st.

Boxing is less interesting without him.

Strange how Ward called him "unathletic" when he's one the fittest guys to do it, but Americans sometimes confuse explosiveness and speed with athleticism rather than fitness

yea very true froch was in shape 24/7 365 days of the year he was in tip top condition more so then a boxer i remember

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 20:13

Coco wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 13:04

Deserter wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 12:31

That's a bit harsh mate. The stoppage timing was terrible, but surely no-one was seriously doubting the outcome at that point?

The decision was a complete gift, who knows if he would have eventually got to Groves, we were robbed of that.
If Groves had got on his bike and fiddled his way through he would have won on points as his lead should have been unassailable

how was that a gift groves turned his back because the tough got going , he wanted out , froch was turning the fight, i aint taking anything away from groves but he was young inexperienced that was always going to be a factor

coneye wrote: ↑07 Jul 2022, 20:52

maverick23 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2022, 03:19

Watched the full thing Froch was joking and actually looked a bit embarressed when Usyk seemed he did'nt have a clue what he was talking about , Don't think he speaks english too well , or understands Carls sence of humor at all