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gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 00:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 23:55

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:29

I will happily go on record now and say I believe Ali would have beaten Usyk. Really sticking my neck out with that one, but it’s out there now.

Why do you insist on using the name Ali? It’s ridiculous. It’s Clay. It’s on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 02:09

gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 00:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 23:55
Why do you insist on using the name Ali? It’s ridiculous. It’s Clay. It’s on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

tonyevs wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 03:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 02:09

gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 00:23

Why do you insist on using the name Tyson? Its ridiculous. Its Luke. Its on his birth certificate. Utter fraud.

Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 04:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 03:45

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 02:09
Ray Robinson was at it as well. Should be deleted from the history books. Even our Coco’s opponent Jesse James was at it, he’s a friend of mine called Danny, I won’t speak to him again.

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

The boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson? Did you? His real name was Walker Smith jr, mate. He's had you over.

tonyevs wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 04:26

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 04:10

tonyevs wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 03:45

I used to work with Ray Robinson. Only ever went by the name Ray .. so totally disagree there Mick.

The boxer, Sugar Ray Robinson? Did you? His real name was Walker Smith jr, mate. He's had you over.

We knew him better as the fitter. Big old fella - liked his food. Married to Shirley?
Said him and his brother Mike (also a fitter) boxed when they were younger .. Mike had surname of Robinson too; so did Mike's kids; you saying Mike may not be his real name either?

Do you think his wife and kids know??

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 18:33

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 14:12

I dislike Fury plenty, but why do you insist on calling him Luke? He boxes as and is known as Tyson Fury.

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 18:33

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:38

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 18:33

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:38

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 06:30

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:38
Do you insist on this with every boxer who does it? Or promoters? Did you call Mickey Duff by his original name? It must be difficult keeping up with them all.

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

I'm not defending anyones honour,

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 06:57

mickey1975 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 06:30

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:43

I don't recall any other the other boxers parading a fake birth certificate. But I get it, Fury's your boy and no matter what, you have to defend his honour.

I'm not defending anyones honour,

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

1194265 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 18:33

Because that's his name....... Luke Tyson Fury.

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 11:34

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 19:30

I’m aware what his name is.
He goes by the name Tyson Fury. He boxes as Tyson Fury. He calls himself Tyson Fury. His family call him Tyson Fury. His promotional team call him Tyson Fury. Everyone in boxing calls him Tyson Fury.
Usyk has referenced Luke v Tyson to explain that what people mostly see is a character, but other than that I can’t recall anyone calling him Luke for any reason other than attempting some kind of silly point scoring, which is how your use of the name reads to me.
If you say you call him Luke because you like to be respectful of his Christian name I’ll pretend to believe you and you have your fun.

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 12:58

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 11:34

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 05:28

BoxRec used to list his birth name on Luke Tyson Fury, but now they have incorrectly changed it to Tyson Luke Fury. I'm calling him Luke, because that's his name. It's not my fault that his parents named him Luke and then his father showed the world a fake birth certificate.

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:28

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 12:58

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 11:34

Have you never come across anyone who gets called by their middle name before? Do you think there are some kind of regulations in place about which of your forenames you ought to be known by?

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 14:38

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:28

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 12:58

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

He lies by saying his name is Tyson Luke Fury, when it's actually Luke Tyson Fury. In fairness, he might not be lying, he might just be as thick as mince.

big lennox wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 13:09

Spud wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 12:38

stevec@france wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 11:26

we are at the end by the looks of it !

Correct!!!

Agreed. I know Gareth A Davies says this is all building towards Fury vs Uysk, but he said the same thing before abd after Fury boxed Chisora again.

So, the pro's:

*Agile, talented boxer with quick hands, feet and a quick mind.

*Beat Klitschko and Wilder.

*Showed bravery to come off the floor in 4 fights and win

*Overcame a bad cut to win

*Great self publicist.

*Came back from a huge backlash from the press for unsavoury comments.

Cons:

*Failed a PED test and uses Connor Benn's doctor..

*Avoided Uysk
*Avoided Joshua
*Avoided Ruiz
*Avoided a rematch with Wlad
*Cherry picked a number of opponents with no chance against him
*Now boxing a non boxer, who is at least 37 and has had a bad knee instead of taking part in the biggest Heavyweight fight ever.
*Lost the considerable respect he had built up in the eyes of his peers and the general public.

Conclusion:

*Made a lot of money
*Provided entertainment along the way.
*Provided frustration along the way. *Mercurial character.
*Calculated.
*Risk adverse.
*The highs are now balanced out by the significant lows.
*Not an all time great.
*Wasted his boxing talent when it comes to securing what could have been a superb boxing legacy.

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 14:38

gp. wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 13:28

1194265 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 12:58

Not at all. I don't have a problem with anyone using any name. My issue is Luke Fury lies about his name, like he lies about everything else.

In what way does he "lie" about it? Does he deny that Luke is one of his forenames?

He lies by saying his name is Tyson Luke Fury, when it's actually Luke Tyson Fury. In fairness, he might not be lying, he might just be as thick as mince.

Finkel wrote: ↑17 Jul 2023, 04:56

big lennox wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 13:09

Spud wrote: ↑15 Jul 2023, 12:38

Correct!!!

Agreed. I know Gareth A Davies says this is all building towards Fury vs Uysk, but he said the same thing before abd after Fury boxed Chisora again.

So, the pro's:

*Agile, talented boxer with quick hands, feet and a quick mind.

*Beat Klitschko and Wilder.

*Showed bravery to come off the floor in 4 fights and win

*Overcame a bad cut to win

*Great self publicist.

*Came back from a huge backlash from the press for unsavoury comments.

Cons:

*Failed a PED test and uses Connor Benn's doctor..

*Avoided Uysk
*Avoided Joshua
*Avoided Ruiz
*Avoided a rematch with Wlad
*Cherry picked a number of opponents with no chance against him
*Now boxing a non boxer, who is at least 37 and has had a bad knee instead of taking part in the biggest Heavyweight fight ever.
*Lost the considerable respect he had built up in the eyes of his peers and the general public.

Conclusion:

*Made a lot of money
*Provided entertainment along the way.
*Provided frustration along the way. *Mercurial character.
*Calculated.
*Risk adverse.
*The highs are now balanced out by the significant lows.
*Not an all time great.
*Wasted his boxing talent when it comes to securing what could have been a superb boxing legacy.

That last line is the saddest thing about all this