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Controversial wrote: ↑05 Sep 2026, 15:24 Posted on Twitter earlier from S-JAM BOXING

1. We never gave tax advice. We recommended top tax specialists for joe.

2. We paid for Joes flights and accommodation for his camps out of our own pocket and were never reimbursed. We flew him business class at all times, out of our own pocket.

3. Joe owes us hundreds of thousands of pounds which we have not claimed as we know he is in financial difficulty. We appreciate how we grew together and dont want to put him in any more difficulty.

4. We paid for a PA for Joe and a mind coach for joe out of our own pocket - the PA for many years costing us hundreds of thousands - we never reclaimed any of that money.

5. All of joes purses were paid to him directly. He paid us directly.

You should be careful with your language and understand the situation more before you use words like “grifting “.

Heldenjaeger wrote: ↑05 Sep 2026, 15:28

Controversial wrote: ↑05 Sep 2026, 15:24 Posted on Twitter earlier from S-JAM BOXING

1. We never gave tax advice. We recommended top tax specialists for joe.

2. We paid for Joes flights and accommodation for his camps out of our own pocket and were never reimbursed. We flew him business class at all times, out of our own pocket.

3. Joe owes us hundreds of thousands of pounds which we have not claimed as we know he is in financial difficulty. We appreciate how we grew together and dont want to put him in any more difficulty.

4. We paid for a PA for Joe and a mind coach for joe out of our own pocket - the PA for many years costing us hundreds of thousands - we never reclaimed any of that money.

5. All of joes purses were paid to him directly. He paid us directly.

You should be careful with your language and understand the situation more before you use words like “grifting “.

"Out of our own pocket" You mean out of the money you made managing Joyce and your other fighters? They're talking like they were doing him charity work for years or emtied their kids' piggy banks to buy business class tickets for Joe.

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:08 From that post it sounds like a tax issue. Obviously he's not the first fighter to end up in that situation unfortunately.

I wonder if this back and forth is a bit of a misunderstanding. I saw the interview and at one point he said something like 'if I'd been managed right I'd probably be in a better position now'.

But he didn't specifically say his management had done him wrong on the finances. He could just as easily have meant he shouldn't have been put in the Zhang fight when we was next in line for a title shot.

But people have definitely assumed he was saying his management screwed him on the money some how, and that has set Jones off in response.

Either way really hope everything works out for Joe, seems a great guy.

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:15 I imagine JJ just mismanaged his money, so many people do when they go from having nothing to having millions.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:45 Just based of companies house I'm not an accountant but JJ owes HMRC in tax £718k

Fearful_Freddie wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:59

kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:45 Just based of companies house I'm not an accountant but JJ owes HMRC in tax £718k

Bloody hell. He won't be making that back from any future fights. Not worth it anyway, he is already speaking noticeably more slowly than in the past. Health = wealth.

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:05 If that's true he's not in a great position. Any promotor worth their salt wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. I can't see him earning great money in boxing now, he has declined too much. I can see him being the next Danny Williams.

kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:07

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:05 If that's true he's not in a great position. Any promotor worth their salt wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. I can't see him earning great money in boxing now, he has declined too much. I can see him being the next Danny Williams.

Agreed pal, wish it wasn't true but page 7 gives a breakdown:

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:39

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:08 From that post it sounds like a tax issue. Obviously he's not the first fighter to end up in that situation unfortunately.

I wonder if this back and forth is a bit of a misunderstanding. I saw the interview and at one point he said something like 'if I'd been managed right I'd probably be in a better position now'.

But he didn't specifically say his management had done him wrong on the finances. He could just as easily have meant he shouldn't have been put in the Zhang fight when we was next in line for a title shot.

But people have definitely assumed he was saying his management screwed him on the money some how, and that has set Jones off in response.

Either way really hope everything works out for Joe, seems a great guy.

The back and forth isn't with Joe. It's with people pointing the finger on X.

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:12

kbackup408 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:07

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:05 If that's true he's not in a great position. Any promotor worth their salt wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. I can't see him earning great money in boxing now, he has declined too much. I can see him being the next Danny Williams.

Agreed pal, wish it wasn't true but page 7 gives a breakdown:

I don't know about tax law, I wonder if he can declare himself bankrupt? Not sure if that totally wipes the slate clean with HMRC though

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:39

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:08 From that post it sounds like a tax issue. Obviously he's not the first fighter to end up in that situation unfortunately.

I wonder if this back and forth is a bit of a misunderstanding. I saw the interview and at one point he said something like 'if I'd been managed right I'd probably be in a better position now'.

But he didn't specifically say his management had done him wrong on the finances. He could just as easily have meant he shouldn't have been put in the Zhang fight when we was next in line for a title shot.

But people have definitely assumed he was saying his management screwed him on the money some how, and that has set Jones off in response.

Either way really hope everything works out for Joe, seems a great guy.

The back and forth isn't with Joe. It's with people pointing the finger on X.

That’s what I meant (didn’t write it clearly).

I meant people interpreted what Joyce said in a certain way and are pointing the finger, which prompted Jones to argue with them about it on Twitter.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:25

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 06:39
The back and forth isn't with Joe. It's with people pointing the finger on X.

That’s what I meant (didn’t write it clearly).

I meant people interpreted what Joyce said in a certain way and are pointing the finger, which prompted Jones to argue with them about it on Twitter.

I don't think it's Jones, either. He left S-Jam when he went to Probellum.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:39

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:25

JC wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 07:23

That’s what I meant (didn’t write it clearly).

I meant people interpreted what Joyce said in a certain way and are pointing the finger, which prompted Jones to argue with them about it on Twitter.

I don't think it's Jones, either. He left S-Jam when he went to Probellum.

Isn’t Moralee in charge now?

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 11:19

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:39

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:25
I don't think it's Jones, either. He left S-Jam when he went to Probellum.

Isn’t Moralee in charge now?

I think Sam Jones left in 2021. No idea why. Website hasn’t been updated for years. If there’s a bad guy it’s prob Moralee

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 12:06

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 11:19

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 09:39

Isn’t Moralee in charge now?

I think Sam Jones left in 2021. No idea why. Website hasn’t been updated for years. If there’s a bad guy it’s prob Moralee

Sam Jones went to Probellum

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 11:58 Someone else saying JJ owes them money on Twitter

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 12:38

Controversial wrote: ↑06 Sep 2026, 11:58 Someone else saying JJ owes them money on Twitter

Hmmmmm the story gets more complex.

I am thinking Joe may have been taken advantage of…
Was not financially educated… didn’t keep his eyes on the business side. I can see him being the kind of guy that’s too trusting… now doesn’t know how to deal with the whole disaster so is not writing anymore cheques.

Joe has given his health for the money he has earned. Without knowing more I lean towards Joyce was exploited