Premature Stoppages

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 15 Oct 2006, 22:55

I'v always thought that way too much was made of Lewis' "stumble". He seemed ready to continue. If the referee would have let him continue and McCall would then jump all over him and he wasn't defending himself, then the referee should then stop it. However, there have many, many fights where a fighter was hurt worse than that and came back to win. Lewis deserved that chance.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 15 Oct 2006, 23:01

Someone had mentioned Ali-Foreman previously. That wasn't a premature stoppage. Foreman was counted out. It was on ESPN for about the 1000th time tonight.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 16 Oct 2006, 02:29

Ambling Alp wrote:
walshb wrote:Well if those other fights you mentioned warranted a stoppage more so than TAYLOR'S, I say Steele should have stoped them and he was wrong. But he was right to stop Taylor. Asking a question is just one measure a ref has to determine if a fighter is coherent and alert. It doesn't mean that they are definitely in a fit state to continue so I think that arguement can be thrown out. Lewis may have been able to recite a god damn play, but he was physically unable to stand up and had to be held from collapsing. Hence the ref had no other choice but to call a halt.

Alp wrote:
"You kept pointing out that Steele asked Taylor twice and that he didn't respond and that Stele was justified in stopping it. Istill maintain that in all likelyhood that Taylor never heard him. Are you now saying that even if Taylor had responded that he wanted to continue that he should have been allowed to"

Alp, if you read my posts you would see that I have already stated that just because a fighter can answer the ref does not mean he most definitely should be allowed continue. Taylor could not answer him but you excuse that with the notion that he may not have heard him. Regardless of whether or not he answered, Taylor was in serious difficulty, very groggy and wobbly, so Yes I think even if he did answer Steele, he still should have been stopped

Lewis was fornicating out on his feet, what fight did you watch. He was held up by the ref. Man I'd hate to be a fighter if there were refs with your attitude. They'd all be either dead now or vegetated!!!

No offence by the way!

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 16 Oct 2006, 13:27

It's close to whether Foreman beat the count. He was certainly starting to get up as the referee was finishing his count.
It's very doubtful that foreman would have survived the 9th round anyway.

Ambling Alp · Post by **Ambling Alp** » 16 Oct 2006, 13:44

walshb wrote:
Ambling Alp wrote:
walshb wrote:Well if those other fights you mentioned warranted a stoppage more so than TAYLOR'S, I say Steele should have stoped them and he was wrong. But he was right to stop Taylor. Asking a question is just one measure a ref has to determine if a fighter is coherent and alert. It doesn't mean that they are definitely in a fit state to continue so I think that arguement can be thrown out. Lewis may have been able to recite a god damn play, but he was physically unable to stand up and had to be held from collapsing. Hence the ref had no other choice but to call a halt.
Alp wrote:
"You kept pointing out that Steele asked Taylor twice and that he didn't respond and that Stele was justified in stopping it. Istill maintain that in all likelyhood that Taylor never heard him. Are you now saying that even if Taylor had responded that he wanted to continue that he should have been allowed to"

Alp, if you read my posts you would see that I have already stated that just because a fighter can answer the ref does not mean he most definitely should be allowed continue. Taylor could not answer him but you excuse that with the notion that he may not have heard him. Regardless of whether or not he answered, Taylor was in serious difficulty, very groggy and wobbly, so Yes I think even if he did answer Steele, he still should have been stopped

Lewis was smeg out on his feet, what fight did you watch. He was held up by the ref. Man I'd hate to be a fighter if there were refs with your attitude. They'd all be either dead now or vegetated!!!

No offence by the way!

I guess then what we disagree on is how hurt Taylor was. I just don't feel that he was hurt that badly. As for Lewis-McCall, the fight I was watching was a guy get knocked down from one good shot (he wasn't taking a beating or anything like that) get, up, say he was ok, and hold up his hands to show that he was ok.
I have seen fighters who were in much worse condition in other fights and have come back to win. I guess we have beat this to death.
I certainly don't want anyone dead or seriously injured. I certainly have seen fights that the referee should have stepped and stopped it and didn't.