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589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:55

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 02:16 ya kinda a weird guy for to go after for ped body transformation. omg ripped 210 in ring at cruiser to a clearly softer 220 in ring at hw! how incredibly amazing a transformation!

im sure there's a good chance, like many boxers (such as tyson fury and dill pickle here), that he uses, but if that's the case he probably did it at cruiser already anyway. if you're willing to use to add size, why not to reap other benefits?

Exactly. They are saying it because proven drug cheat Tyson Fury is saying it. Usyk cut to weigh in at cruiser, so he was ballpark 212lb as a cruiser. He's put on a few pounds of fat and muscle by eating and training. Nobody knows what anybody is doing but Usyk's 'body transformation' is negligible. It's a ready made excuse. I doubt he's doing anything different than he's ever done apart from eating more.

AGREE

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Fury is contractually obliged to fight on ESPN and BT for this fight. Eddie will likely have discussed 'the bids' with FW and Bob beforehand. It was probably a mere formality. No deal could have been done that didn't involve Tyson fighting on ESPN and BT.

It would seem that Fury wanted step aside to be paid, but insisted on a soft touch before Usyk. This was so he could see out his existing contract and then earn big money versus Usyk. Sensible. Only problem there was the people he expected to pay the step aside money were the people he is currently in contract with. I suspect trust on all sides broke down and the long form agreements were never drawn up.

Bob (in particular) and Frank would surely have been happy for Fury v Usyk to take place next in Saudi because they would have almost certainly made significantly more than after Tyson is out of contract.

It all makes me wonder if Tyson's ESPN/BT deal may feel like a slave contract to him and his purses when all pay offs (to Wlad) and costs are taken into account are relatively low.

I expect to see him as a free agent after this fight and prepared to work with whoever will pay him most.

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:12

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Fury is contractually obliged to fight on ESPN and BT for this fight. Eddie will likely have discussed 'the bids' with FW and Bob beforehand. It was probably a mere formality. No deal could have been done that didn't involve Tyson fighting on ESPN and BT.

It would seem that Fury wanted step aside to be paid, but insisted on a soft touch before Usyk. This was so he could see out his existing contract and then earn big money versus Usyk. Sensible. Only problem there was the people he expected to pay the step aside money were the people he is currently in contract with. I suspect trust on all sides broke down and the long form agreements were never drawn up.

Bob (in particular) and Frank would surely have been happy for Fury v Usyk to take place next in Saudi because they would have almost certainly made significantly more than after Tyson is out of contract.

It all makes me wonder if Tyson's ESPN/BT deal may feel like a slave contract to him and his purses when all pay offs (to Wlad) and costs are taken into account are relatively low.

I expect to see him as a free agent after this fight and prepared to work with whoever will pay him most.

Do you honestly think Frank/Bob/Eddie would have discussed their bids beforehand?!

Of course Fury could have fought on another network - just like Teofimo Lopez did last year - and countless others have over the years after their team have lost the purse bids.

Also it wouldn’t have been Bob/Frank paying the step aside - it would have come straight from the Saudis.

Where is Frank getting this money? No way he has that much money

Alba wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:57 Where is Frank getting this money? No way he has that much money

It was a combo bid for him and Top Rank. They would have had to pay 10% yesterday and the only other amount they’d need to make sure they have is Dillian’s purse which I’m sure Top Rank can sort. They could pay Tyson out of the money recouped.

9mil dollars gap between Matchroom and Frank.
That’s insane.
Guessing we might not see an IFL interview with Hearn this weekend.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Was always going to be a struggle to win this one but they made FW pay more than they were originally looking at and he’s made them take a bigger risk at the gate (originally looking at Cardiff City Stadium to now somewhere much bigger) and taking a big chance going PPV mid afternoon in the US.

When were they ever going to the Cardiff City stadium?

Eddie not having a decent PPV platform in the UK meant he was never getting this and he knew it.

garethhop wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:16

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Was always going to be a struggle to win this one but they made FW pay more than they were originally looking at and he’s made them take a bigger risk at the gate (originally looking at Cardiff City Stadium to now somewhere much bigger) and taking a big chance going PPV mid afternoon in the US.

When were they ever going to the Cardiff City stadium?

Eddie not having a decent PPV platform in the UK meant he was never getting this and he knew it.

Well DAZN are launching PPV soon aren't they?

Frank W Reacts To Dropping Record $41 Million Bid For Fury-Whyte Rights

Frank W, co-promoter for WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, is flying high after slamming down a record shattering bid to secure the promotional rights to his boxer's mandatory fight with domestic rival Dillian Whyte.

On Friday, Warren submitted a massive bid of over $41 million - nearly $9 million more than Whyte's promoter, Eddie Hearn.

The fight was negotiated for months, with the two sides being unable to reach an agreement - which forced a purse bid after several postponements.

The fight will obviously take place in the UK, in a large stadium setting.

"We promised to deliver for our man and we did by winning the purse bid for Tyson Fury’s WBC heavyweight title defense against Dillian Whyte. It was an offer of $42 million, which just shows our commitment to the Gypsy King," Warren said to Daily Star.

"According to the WBC, it was the highest purse bid in their history. We back our fighters and this is further proof. We are really happy to be working alongside Top Rank in putting on this huge all-British heavyweight clash. There will be an announcement next week on the date and the venue - but it looks like Fury will be coming home to the UK after conquering America.

"Now the talking is over, the fight is happening and Tyson can focus on getting back into the ring. It is going to be a great fight, I’m sure of that. Whyte has got his wish of a world title shot and he better make sure he is ready for it. It is going to be a war between two top British heavyweights. But there is only one winner. That will be Tyson Fury.

"We are also so happy to have a fight set for Tyson. He fought brilliantly against Deontay Wilder in October and delivered one of the best heavyweight fights of all time. But before that he was out of the ring for so long due to Covid-19 and all the delays which meant he had just one fight in 20 months. He needs to be active and he will be back in the ring soon now."

Fury has been out of the ring since last October - when he knocked out Deontay Wilder in their trilogy fight. And Whyte has been out since last March, when he stopped Alexander Povetkin in their rematch.

garethhop wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:16

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:52

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Was always going to be a struggle to win this one but they made FW pay more than they were originally looking at and he’s made them take a bigger risk at the gate (originally looking at Cardiff City Stadium to now somewhere much bigger) and taking a big chance going PPV mid afternoon in the US.

When were they ever going to the Cardiff City stadium?

Eddie not having a decent PPV platform in the UK meant he was never getting this and he knew it.

Avanesyan said he was fighting on the Fury undercard in March and it was a 25,000 seater. I think Ruthless did some digging and said they’d booked the Cardiff City Stadium. It’s on the Avanesyan thread.

Eddie’s bid was broadly what I was expecting. If he’d won it for that then he could put the fight on and not lose money. I think he had to bid for it but all his talk beforehand helped Whyte get a great payday.

Fury and Whyte were never fighting at the Cardiff City stadium

Jesus wept.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:40

garethhop wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:16

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:52

Was always going to be a struggle to win this one but they made FW pay more than they were originally looking at and he’s made them take a bigger risk at the gate (originally looking at Cardiff City Stadium to now somewhere much bigger) and taking a big chance going PPV mid afternoon in the US.

When were they ever going to the Cardiff City stadium?

Eddie not having a decent PPV platform in the UK meant he was never getting this and he knew it.

Avanesyan said he was fighting on the Fury undercard in March and it was a 25,000 seater. I think Ruthless did some digging and said they’d booked the Cardiff City Stadium. It’s on the Avanesyan thread.

Eddie’s bid was broadly what I was expecting. If he’d won it for that then he could put the fight on and not lose money. I think he had to bid for it but all his talk beforehand helped Whyte get a great payday.

No, I was being sarcy pal. Sorry. Ava's comments were weird though, because he said Manchester and 25k seater.

Just didn't make sense. So I made joke.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:44

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:40

garethhop wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:16

When were they ever going to the Cardiff City stadium?

Eddie not having a decent PPV platform in the UK meant he was never getting this and he knew it.

Avanesyan said he was fighting on the Fury undercard in March and it was a 25,000 seater. I think Ruthless did some digging and said they’d booked the Cardiff City Stadium. It’s on the Avanesyan thread.

Eddie’s bid was broadly what I was expecting. If he’d won it for that then he could put the fight on and not lose money. I think he had to bid for it but all his talk beforehand helped Whyte get a great payday.

No, I was being sarcy pal. Sorry. Ava's comments were weird though, because he said Manchester and 25k seater.

Just didn't make sense. So I made joke.

My bad then.

No idea then but it’s a bit weird Avanesyan was talking 25,000 seater in March - surely he must have been thinking/overestimating the MEN then.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:49

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:12

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 03:16 Eddie was never going to win a bid, was he? He rarely does.

Fury is contractually obliged to fight on ESPN and BT for this fight. Eddie will likely have discussed 'the bids' with FW and Bob beforehand. It was probably a mere formality. No deal could have been done that didn't involve Tyson fighting on ESPN and BT.

It would seem that Fury wanted step aside to be paid, but insisted on a soft touch before Usyk. This was so he could see out his existing contract and then earn big money versus Usyk. Sensible. Only problem there was the people he expected to pay the step aside money were the people he is currently in contract with. I suspect trust on all sides broke down and the long form agreements were never drawn up.

Bob (in particular) and Frank would surely have been happy for Fury v Usyk to take place next in Saudi because they would have almost certainly made significantly more than after Tyson is out of contract.

It all makes me wonder if Tyson's ESPN/BT deal may feel like a slave contract to him and his purses when all pay offs (to Wlad) and costs are taken into account are relatively low.

I expect to see him as a free agent after this fight and prepared to work with whoever will pay him most.

Do you honestly think Frank/Bob/Eddie would have discussed their bids beforehand?!

Of course Fury could have fought on another network - just like Teofimo Lopez did last year - and countless others have over the years after their team have lost the purse bids.

Also it wouldn’t have been Bob/Frank paying the step aside - it would have come straight from the Saudis.

Eddie will have known pretty much exactly what Bob and FW were going to bid.

Fury is contracted to ESPN and BT. Had Eddie won the bids (he wasn't going to but...) ESPN and BT would have been well within their rights to take action against Fury to stop him fighting on another network and I strongly believe they would have won.

Any step aside money would come from the promoter. In this case it would have been taken from the Saudi's site fee payment paid to that promoter. You are overestimating the role of the contracted boxer in negotiations.

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:56

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:49

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:12

Fury is contractually obliged to fight on ESPN and BT for this fight. Eddie will likely have discussed 'the bids' with FW and Bob beforehand. It was probably a mere formality. No deal could have been done that didn't involve Tyson fighting on ESPN and BT.

It would seem that Fury wanted step aside to be paid, but insisted on a soft touch before Usyk. This was so he could see out his existing contract and then earn big money versus Usyk. Sensible. Only problem there was the people he expected to pay the step aside money were the people he is currently in contract with. I suspect trust on all sides broke down and the long form agreements were never drawn up.

Bob (in particular) and Frank would surely have been happy for Fury v Usyk to take place next in Saudi because they would have almost certainly made significantly more than after Tyson is out of contract.

It all makes me wonder if Tyson's ESPN/BT deal may feel like a slave contract to him and his purses when all pay offs (to Wlad) and costs are taken into account are relatively low.

I expect to see him as a free agent after this fight and prepared to work with whoever will pay him most.

Do you honestly think Frank/Bob/Eddie would have discussed their bids beforehand?!

Of course Fury could have fought on another network - just like Teofimo Lopez did last year - and countless others have over the years after their team have lost the purse bids.

Also it wouldn’t have been Bob/Frank paying the step aside - it would have come straight from the Saudis.

Eddie will have known pretty much exactly what Bob and FW were going to bid.

Fury is contracted to ESPN and BT. Had Eddie won the bids (he wasn't going to but...) ESPN and BT would have been well within their rights to take action against Fury to stop him fighting on another network and I strongly believe they would have won.

Any step aside money would come from the promoter. In this case it would have been taken from the Saudi's site fee payment paid to that promoter. You are overestimating the role of the contracted boxer in negotiations.

How would Eddie have known what they were going to bid?

Is Fury contracted to BT/ESPN? Or is he contracted to Queensbury/Top Rank who have deals with those networks?

If he took an offer from a rival promoter then the TV network would be rightly pissed off. But I can’t remember any cases of a fighter being sued by a TV network when their promoter loses a purse bid. Surely Lopez would have been sued by ESPN when he took the Kambosos fight?!

They were looking at deal directly with the Saudis - why would the Saudis pay Frank/Bob to then pay AJ/Whyte?! Why wouldn’t they pay Krassyuk or Hearn who promote Usyk? They wouldn’t. They’d pay the fighters teams directly.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:06

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:56

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 04:49

Do you honestly think Frank/Bob/Eddie would have discussed their bids beforehand?!

Of course Fury could have fought on another network - just like Teofimo Lopez did last year - and countless others have over the years after their team have lost the purse bids.

Also it wouldn’t have been Bob/Frank paying the step aside - it would have come straight from the Saudis.

Eddie will have known pretty much exactly what Bob and FW were going to bid.

Fury is contracted to ESPN and BT. Had Eddie won the bids (he wasn't going to but...) ESPN and BT would have been well within their rights to take action against Fury to stop him fighting on another network and I strongly believe they would have won.

Any step aside money would come from the promoter. In this case it would have been taken from the Saudi's site fee payment paid to that promoter. You are overestimating the role of the contracted boxer in negotiations.

How would Eddie have known what they were going to bid?

Is Fury contracted to BT/ESPN? Or is he contracted to Queensbury/Top Rank who have deals with those networks?

If he took an offer from a rival promoter then the TV network would be rightly pissed off. But I can’t remember any cases of a fighter being sued by a TV network when their promoter loses a purse bid. Surely Lopez would have been sued by ESPN when he took the Kambosos fight?!

They were looking at deal directly with the Saudis - why would the Saudis pay Frank/Bob to then pay AJ/Whyte?! Why wouldn’t they pay Krassyuk or Hearn who promote Usyk? They wouldn’t. They’d pay the fighters teams directly.

Fury is signed to ESPN and BT and has been since 2019. It was a five fight deal that has one fight to run.

Lopez must not be signed to ESPN exclusively, if at all.

Think back to e.g. Mayweather (HBO) v Pacquiao (Showtime). Those two could not fight each other until those networks agreed a deal. With the greatest of respect, Fury v Whyte isn't a big enough fight for ESPN to do a joint deal with DAZN.

The Saudis would sign a contract with the promoter of the unification fight. They wouldn't just start doling money out left right and centre and cross their fingers. They are not idiots.

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:18

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:06

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:56

Eddie will have known pretty much exactly what Bob and FW were going to bid.

Fury is contracted to ESPN and BT. Had Eddie won the bids (he wasn't going to but...) ESPN and BT would have been well within their rights to take action against Fury to stop him fighting on another network and I strongly believe they would have won.

Any step aside money would come from the promoter. In this case it would have been taken from the Saudi's site fee payment paid to that promoter. You are overestimating the role of the contracted boxer in negotiations.

How would Eddie have known what they were going to bid?

Is Fury contracted to BT/ESPN? Or is he contracted to Queensbury/Top Rank who have deals with those networks?

If he took an offer from a rival promoter then the TV network would be rightly pissed off. But I can’t remember any cases of a fighter being sued by a TV network when their promoter loses a purse bid. Surely Lopez would have been sued by ESPN when he took the Kambosos fight?!

They were looking at deal directly with the Saudis - why would the Saudis pay Frank/Bob to then pay AJ/Whyte?! Why wouldn’t they pay Krassyuk or Hearn who promote Usyk? They wouldn’t. They’d pay the fighters teams directly.

Fury is signed to ESPN and BT and has been since 2019. It was a five fight deal that has one fight to run.

Lopez must not be signed to ESPN exclusively, if at all.

Think back to e.g. Mayweather (HBO) v Pacquiao (Showtime). Those two could not fight each other until those networks agreed a deal. With the greatest of respect, Fury v Whyte isn't a big enough fight for ESPN to do a joint deal with DAZN.

The Saudis would sign a contract with the promoter of the unification fight. They wouldn't just start doling money out left right and centre and cross their fingers. They are not idiots.

He only signed a new deal with ESPN just before the Kam fight was gonna take place. No idea if even that is exclusive.

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:18

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:06

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 05:56

Eddie will have known pretty much exactly what Bob and FW were going to bid.

Fury is contracted to ESPN and BT. Had Eddie won the bids (he wasn't going to but...) ESPN and BT would have been well within their rights to take action against Fury to stop him fighting on another network and I strongly believe they would have won.

Any step aside money would come from the promoter. In this case it would have been taken from the Saudi's site fee payment paid to that promoter. You are overestimating the role of the contracted boxer in negotiations.

How would Eddie have known what they were going to bid?

Is Fury contracted to BT/ESPN? Or is he contracted to Queensbury/Top Rank who have deals with those networks?

If he took an offer from a rival promoter then the TV network would be rightly pissed off. But I can’t remember any cases of a fighter being sued by a TV network when their promoter loses a purse bid. Surely Lopez would have been sued by ESPN when he took the Kambosos fight?!

They were looking at deal directly with the Saudis - why would the Saudis pay Frank/Bob to then pay AJ/Whyte?! Why wouldn’t they pay Krassyuk or Hearn who promote Usyk? They wouldn’t. They’d pay the fighters teams directly.

Fury is signed to ESPN and BT and has been since 2019. It was a five fight deal that has one fight to run.

Lopez must not be signed to ESPN exclusively, if at all.

Think back to e.g. Mayweather (HBO) v Pacquiao (Showtime). Those two could not fight each other until those networks agreed a deal. With the greatest of respect, Fury v Whyte isn't a big enough fight for ESPN to do a joint deal with DAZN.

The Saudis would sign a contract with the promoter of the unification fight. They wouldn't just start doling money out left right and centre and cross their fingers. They are not idiots.

How do you know that Fury has separate deals with ESPN and BT in addition to his 2 promotional contracts? He may just have them with the promoters who have deals with the networks. I know AJ has a deal directly with Sky Sports but that isn’t common in boxing.

Lopez had a deal with Top Rank who have a deal with ESPN - hence no issue with being sued by ESPN. Same as Canelo having a deal with Golden Boy who had a deal with DAZN. Those deals weren’t properly aligned which caused the issue and Canelo suing them both but still fighting on DAZN.

Mayweather had a deal directly with Showtime - not through a middle man. I don’t know whether Pacquiao with HBO or not but it helped having 2 big networks behind it to push the PPV.

The Saudis wouldn’t have been signing a simple deal with Top Rank. It would have been fully detailed as to who gets what and when. You’re assuming that Top Rank/Frank would be the sole promoters - it would have had Krassyuk and Eddie as co-promoters as they have deals with Usyk - so the likely scenario is Eddie receiving the money to move it on to the fighters he’s worked with or for it to go directly to the fighters.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:54 How do you know that Fury has separate deals with ESPN and BT in addition to his 2 promotional contracts?

I know Fury has a five fight deal with ESPN because it was in the news when it happened and search engines exist.

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 08:33

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:54 How do you know that Fury has separate deals with ESPN and BT in addition to his 2 promotional contracts?

I know Fury has a five fight deal with ESPN because it was in the news when it happened and search engines exist.

Yeah - I saw the same and similar announcements with Lopez before he fought on DAZN. Nowhere did I see Fury say he had a separate deal with ESPN from his deal with Top Rank.

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 08:58

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 08:33

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 06:54 How do you know that Fury has separate deals with ESPN and BT in addition to his 2 promotional contracts?

I know Fury has a five fight deal with ESPN because it was in the news when it happened and search engines exist.

Yeah - I saw the same and similar announcements with Lopez before he fought on DAZN. Nowhere did I see Fury say he had a separate deal with ESPN from his deal with Top Rank.

Yeh, some boxers do, but unless they openly say it, we'll never know.

Like how AJ has a contract with Matchroom, but a separate one with Sky Sports (which has now expired)

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 10:19

maverick23 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 08:58

589555 wrote: ↑29 Jan 2022, 08:33

I know Fury has a five fight deal with ESPN because it was in the news when it happened and search engines exist.

Yeah - I saw the same and similar announcements with Lopez before he fought on DAZN. Nowhere did I see Fury say he had a separate deal with ESPN from his deal with Top Rank.

Yeh, some boxers do, but unless they openly say it, we'll never know.

Like how AJ has a contract with Matchroom, but a separate one with Sky Sports (which has now expired)

Yeah - it’s a rarity for fighters to have separate deals with promoters and TV networks. They usually do a deal with a promoter who has a TV deal and they announce that they’re joined that promoter and TV network as for 95% (or more) of fights they’re one and the same.

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brilo33 wrote: ↑28 Jan 2022, 20:07

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Jan 2022, 19:35

brilo33 wrote: ↑28 Jan 2022, 19:31

i think the most experince weight lifters dream of putting on 3 pounds of muscle, i dont want to call him out , the only fighter recently was khan when he looked puffy bit flab for saul fight

They dream of putting on 3 lbs of mucel because they are at the elite levle of putting on mucle. Usyk has been activly trying not to put to much mucle on most of his carrerr, so when he takes the restrictions of and starts slight stregnth training he is unlocking gains he has activly been puting off.

The weight lifter example is not aplicable, there trying to improve something they have maxed out. Elite 100m runners dream of taking .2 seconds of there 100m time. If i start sprint training i could drop a full second in a couple of weeks.

the body dont work like that tho greg , usyk is a big man he was pumping weights since his teens he werent some skinny cruiserweight iam not saying he was taking growth hormones things but i dont know how young you are greg but it gets harder when your in ur 30s and he aint far of my age , i cant lift like i did in my 20s tho my my lifts are stronger but he had to add the boxing sessions its very hard is all i am saying but i belive no one and i dont mean to discredit the man as i dont he is doing anything that no one eslse is doing

He may or may not be taking stuff and would be daft not to be but ffs his ‘body recomp’ is entirely possible naturally. He’s hardly done a Holyfield. He was never a weightlifter he’s a speed athlete.m who had to ‘make weight’ for cruiser limit.

Be interesting to see where they go with this , indoors at Manchester or O2 or risk an outdoors fight ? I'd imagine be pretty easy to shift tickets and get PPV buys if it is a 10pm ring time