Frochy beats Kessler.. better resume than Joe (NO ARGUMENTS)

[lefthook82]

He deont beat Kessler for me. Now tthat a crack has appeared in hichin epect him to visit the canvas more often

[observer1]

Today: Froch Beats Taylor beats Kessler imo

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Kessler - Oh please...

I remember Hopkins rightly laughing at Joe Calazghe when he was asked 'who have you beaten?'

[banjo]

Without doubt, especially if it's a KO win although I'd like Froch to fight Mundine and finish him for good although I doubt Anthony "I can only beat fat Aussie taxi drivers" Mundine would have the bottle.

[Max Molyneux]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

[Max Molyneux]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3jYkZMqqA

Joe would do the hundred cracked fists of the north star on Froch. D

[Chris W 1982]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

Compare them both afetr 25 fights and Froch is miles ahead. Absolute miles.

[Spud]

Froch needs to leave Kessler well alone - just for now!!!

Couple of voluntaries - which will be big shows in Nottngham would be good for Froch and the promotional company.

[Coco]

Froch needs 5-6 more fights at top level before you can start rating his acievements above JC. JC must get credit for his unbeaten record, some of his better wins and his overall longetivity.
Nevertheless Froch is in a good position now to overtake Joe.
I doubt at 31 that Carl will have 10-12 years aschampion, but I also doubt he will want to take on the Tucker Pudilll's of this world.
Hopefully Froch impressed US tv and they will want him back, ifhe can be matched v Dawson, Pavlik, Kessler and perhaps Hopkins in the next 3 years and he wins those historians will look at him in a favourable light compared to JC.
Especially as Froch would be seen as a man who was happy to do it on the road and only take on the best available fighters.
Also if he had those type of fights on US tv he would be in a financial position to stick two fingers up at British TV and hopefully the hoarde would follow him to America a la Hatton

[Autobarn]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

Froch was only 4 pts behind and he has smashed an elite fighter. Froch isn't coddled like Calzaghe. Once Calzaghe went over to America he was getting dropped. If Calzaghe went to America in his first title defence, v someone good, he would have had some bloody trouble don't kid yourself.

Froch may not be ready for Calzaghe, but in taking hard fights like Pascal, Taylor, being willing to fight anyone, he is going in the right direction. He has had 2 GREAT fights. Where are Joe's great fights? If he unifies against Bute and/or Kessler, and gets a decent name like Pavlik, their resumes will be very close - only Froch hasn't done it with safety first matchmaking.

21 defences? Who cares, many of them were bogus and an insult to the viewer.

As Froch said, "when you grow up you don't dream of making routine title defences."


Froch is putting himself up there with Benn and Eubank. Winning CLASSICS of the calibre of Benn-McClellan, Watson-Benn, Eubank-Watson 2, Eubank-Thompson.

[observer1]

Without doubt, especially if it's a KO win although I'd like Froch to fight Mundine and finish him for good although I doubt Anthony "I can only beat fat Aussie taxi drivers" Mundine would have the bottle.

Mundine is one of those guys who plays the villian role well.. He has done his thing and is passed it now.

Froch knows better than to face guys who are on the way down.

Facts are facts. Calzaghe may be the ebtter boxer, but Froch has done smoething Joe never did once in his career: Take a risk

[banjo]

Without doubt, especially if it's a KO win although I'd like Froch to fight Mundine and finish him for good although I doubt Anthony "I can only beat fat Aussie taxi drivers" Mundine would have the bottle.

Mundine is one of those guys who plays the villian role well.. He has done his thing and is passed it now.

Froch knows better than to face guys who are on the way down.

Facts are facts. Calzaghe may be the ebtter boxer, but Froch has done smoething Joe never did once in his career: Take a risk

No I mean if Froch can't find an opponent then Mundine would be suitable, he'd sell tickets and give Carl a test. He doesn't play the villain role well at all, he's just an awful human being, taunting an opponents wife is real classy isn't it.

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Froch would have to modify his gameplan if he is to beat the likes of Kessler.

The way how he fought Taylor would not be sufficient to beat Kessler IMO.

[observer1]

It's not nice at all, when i said "plays the villain role well". I never meant play it with class, i meant play it to get attention for big bouts, even if it means everybody hating him for it.

but yeah, i see your point about facing Mundine.

[banjo]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

Compare Joes first 25 fights to Carls, I doubt you could remember most of them.

Your opinion becomes irrelevant due to your Calzaghe fan boy status. :geek2:

[observer1]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

Compare Joes first 25 fights to Carls, I doubt you could remember most of them.

Your opinion becomes irrelevant due to your Calzaghe fan boy status. :geek2:

Agreed

[hurlock]

what suggest's kessler is better then froch???

all the champions kessler has beat,i believe froch would do a better job.

calzaghe is a conman.

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Can we not mention Carl Froch withouth mentioning Joe Calzaghe?

The 2 of them have never fought & one them isn't even a fighter anymore, yet they re always getting mentioned together.

Froch is a good fighter in his own right & he doesn't need to live in the shadow of a man who he hasn't even shared a ring with.

[hitman_hatton1]

This simply cannot be argued.

er yes it can.

when froch beats kessler then i change my mind.

he got away with it last night.

thank god for taylor's dodgy stamina.

[Max Molyneux]

Bullshit, Calzaghe will outbox him worse than Taylor did if it happens and would probably score a KD like Taylor too. You can't KO everyone. Doesn't want it? Froch was getting owned until the KO and got dropped by a guy who lacked power. Only reason he went to America is because he has a terrible promoter and isn't a big name.

Put Froch in with someone like Andrade who has a granite chin and workrate. Calzaghe's speed, workrate, skills and chin would be too much for Carl. You guys get too excited over a KO.

Calzaghe's achievements still beats Froch's, 21 defences winning all 4 major tites and being the 1st undisputed at the weight.

Froch should be ashamed to call out an Atg like Joe after nearly losing the fight so bad. Taylor's stamina let him down again. Froch fought the same way he fights them all but on world class you'll get put down doing that.

Compare Joes first 25 fights to Carls, I doubt you could remember most of them.

Your opinion becomes irrelevant due to your Calzaghe fan boy status. :geek2:

Irrelevant to you deluded Froch fans maybe.

It's not like he won in style, he was getting owned until Taylor gassed out and will always be a euro level fighter with a punch that will give him some sucess world wise. Calzaghe would of owned him last night. Plus Froch ducked at least one of his offers and Froch admitted it. Froch said he wanted him in Cardiff too.

what suggest's kessler is better then froch???

all the champions kessler has beat,i believe froch would do a better job.

Unifying the WBA and WBC titles, having the balls to fight Calzaghe and regaining the WBA title. Mundine, Bute and Kessler would beat him. Green was a puncher with a chin simular to Froch except with a better guard and Mundine danced around him.

Froch is conning you lot into thinking he'd beat Joe just because he has a punch. He got his world ranking on beating domestic level fighters while struggling against them.

[banjo]

Irrelevant to you deluded Froch fans maybe.

I'm more of a Taylor fan than a Froch fan, Froch at least had the balls to go out there straight away and fight though.

[FLINT ISLAND]

yeah Froch has got a good shot of beating and even stopping Kelseer

Froch is a very hurtful puncher who destroys most opponets

He didnt manage to stop Pascal but that is credit to how fit and tough and competitive the Canadian was

Kelseer is a good fighter but I feel some have exalted him to a god like status just because he was competitve early on with Calzaghe

Calzaghe cant break a egg - yet he had Kelseer hurt several times - most notably with a body shot

If Calzaghe can put a dent in Kelseer than Froch can do even worse

I dont see this fight going the distance either way

But I fancy Froch to stop Kelseer because I feel out of the two of them Kelseer would be the one more hurt in a tough war

[hitman_hatton1]

don't forget andre dirrell max.

he's high up in the wbc ratings as well.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Froch is more of a force than Calzaghe these days

Calzaghe towards the end of his career was just about high volume output and winning a decsion by just overwhelming his adversarys with slaps

Kelseer would be in alot more dangerous fight if he took on Froch

Surely now this is the fight we want to see

I hope Froch wants it - its a chance to make a bold statement and prove a point - by trying to not only beat Kelseer but do a better job than Calzaghe did - by flooring and maybe even stopping Kelseer

[Max Molyneux]

Can we not mention Carl Froch withouth mentioning Joe Calzaghe?

The 2 of them have never fought & one them isn't even a fighter anymore, yet they re always getting mentioned together.

Froch is a good fighter in his own right & he doesn't need to live in the shadow of a man who he hasn't even shared a ring with.

People need to see the light in what would happen if Froch fought Joe though still. The clip below would happen, Calzaghe would do the hundred cracked fists of the north star on him and is the only boxer to astonishingly do that for real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3jYkZMqqA

I'm more of a Taylor fan than a Froch fan, Froch at least had the balls to go out there straight away and fight though.

Well Froch turned down a chance to fight Joe and took over 6 years to win his title. Joe started off with good wins too so how do we know Carl won't end up staying in Nottingham? They wanted Taylor in Nottingham until they came to their senses. Mick and Carl waited for Joe to retire before stepping up and used the he's ducking me tactic since he KO'ed Hague.