Hang On a minute Here!!

[MR UNTOUCHABLE]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!

Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

[whicker]

Mate, there are more than enough Hatton threads on this board!

[landon]

load of garbage.. its over for the fatman

[teddy007]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!
Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

[tonyevs]

I just think whilst the last knockdown/knockout was a beautifull punch .. the 1st 2 were shots I`d like to think he could have absorbed a couple years ago ..

I don`t really see, apart from the money, what he has left to do in boxing .. boxers have their shelf life, I personnally think Ricky has had his - and to continue he would merely become the opponent and suffer as a consequence .. which financially he has no need to do.

He has achieved more than almost any British boxer has .. so why not be happy with that and enjoy it.

[boxerbob]

well said untouchable

hatton has fought the best - FACT

[Quixall]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!

Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

I don't think he is shot, but he is'nt an "elite" fighter and has proved that over the two performances against Mayweather and now Pacquaio. Hatton is a very good fighter, who is effective at world level, but not when he moves up to the halowed ground that Mayweather and Pacquaio occupy. I feel that whilst he is'nt shot, he should retire, because it was the severity of the knock out that was worrying and it was'nt that long ago that he got knocked out by Mayweather. Ricky has had a good crack, proved that he is a good figher and a worthy world champion, made a few quid and has lots of supporters who worship him. But there is no-where to go now, with this defeat, the elite fights are a thing of the past and a win over some average fighter makes no sense and he can't afford to take another defeat in that style ever again.

So whilst he's not shot, he should retire and do it NOW !!

[boxerbob]

i agree with quixall aswell

i hope he retires , the only big money making fight for hatton is khan

but hatton is not short of money

[stujones]

I just want to say 5 words to the people who say this loss and the manner of this loss signfies that Ricky is not, or never was an elite fighter.

ROBERTO DURAN VS THOMAS HEARNS.

[Quixall]

I just want to say 5 words to the people who say this loss and the manner of this loss signfies that Ricky is not, or never was an elite fighter.

ROBERTO DURAN VS THOMAS HEARNS.

The difference is Stu, that both Duran and Hearns can point to other fights that prove they were elite fighters, who could operate at that level. Ricky has had two "elite" fights against Mayweather and Pacquaio, two fighters who were in their primes and respected as p4p the best fighter in the world at the time that he fought them.......and he lost to both !!

Whilst the Tyszu and Castillo fights were impressive, they have less credibilty as "elite" fights, because both fighters were past there best when Hatton defeated them.

[Hagler2002]

Face the facts his punch resistance has gone which equals career over at the top level but in all honesty did he ever really have the capability to mix with the best?

[Hagler2002]

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Who else did he really fight who was world class? bottom line is he was a decent world class fighter but was nowhere near good enough to mix it with the best.

He was nothing more than the British version of David Diaz.

[Quixall]

Face the facts his punch resistance has gone which equals career over at the top level but in all honesty did he ever really have the capability to mix with the best?

No, i don't believe that he did Hagler....

I did'nt give him a chance against Mayweather and always thought that Pacquaio's speed, accuracy and timing would give Hatton problems. I thought that Pacqauio would win either by a decision or late stoppage and was quite suprised when he got nailed twice in the first round. His tactics were hopeless and he left himself wide open and as you say, his punch resistance seems to have gone, because those fisrt two knock-downs did'nt seem to be fromparticularly hard punches. Having said that, i feel that it was a combination of the speed of punch that caught Hatton out and the fact that he had been caught four or five times, before the first knock down in round one.

[Hagler2002]

I did'nt give him a chance against Mayweather and always thought that Pacquaio's speed, accuracy and timing would give Hatton problems. I thought that Pacqauio would win either by a decision or late stoppage and was quite suprised when he got nailed twice in the first round. His tactics were hopeless and he left himself wide open and as you say, his punch resistance seems to have gone, because those fisrt two knock-downs did'nt seem to be fromparticularly hard punches. Having said that, i feel that it was a combination of the speed of punch that caught Hatton out and the fact that he had been caught four or five times, before the first knock down in round one.

Do you think the Hatton that beat Tszyu would have lasted any longer against Mayweather or Pacquiao?

Personally I don't! he has 2 names on his record and got stiffed against them both, he looked good against Malignaggi last time out because he was allowed too against a fighter who didn't make him fight.

In all honesty Hatton was a good champion but not great.

[hurlock]

you look on hattons record & just see boiled down fighters flown in trans atlantic in the same week,on the flight home the next morning,or blown up lightweights.
warren did pad him up,which he didnt like as he's ambitious,but in the course of it all warren built him a great following.
hatton has been hit harder but has never been weaker,his lifestyle caught up & has bitten him on the arse basically.
it must be horrible to be centre staged like that & get humiliated by a small phillipino who looks like a toilet attendant.

[Carbo]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!

Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

Great post.

Getting beaten by those two doesn't mean you're not elite or world class; it just means you're not one of the best fighters of your generation (or all time).

[Carbo]

I just want to say 5 words to the people who say this loss and the manner of this loss signfies that Ricky is not, or never was an elite fighter.

ROBERTO DURAN VS THOMAS HEARNS.

The difference is Stu, that both Duran and Hearns can point to other fights that prove they were elite fighters, who could operate at that level. Ricky has had two "elite" fights against Mayweather and Pacquaio, two fighters who were in their primes and respected as p4p the best fighter in the world at the time that he fought them.......and he lost to both !!

Whilst the Tyszu and Castillo fights were impressive, they have less credibilty as "elite" fights, because both fighters were past there best when Hatton defeated them.

But in Tszyu's case, how do you know? He was only six months removed from one of his best performances, and was big betting favourite, and since he hasn't fought since, we have no time of reference. So, while one might assume he was past his prime (because if he wasn't he wouldn't have lost to Hatton, the argument goes), there can be no proof. Yet this seems to have passed as historical fact.

[Datsue]

ROBERTO DURAN VS THOMAS HEARNS.

Utter bollocks. Chilling knockout at the top top level, uncommensurate with the abilities of the fighters involved, I'll give you that, but FFS did Duran charge straight at Hearns with his chin up & hands down? No. Also, Hatton was never, will never be, has never been & isn't fit to lace the fricking boots of Roberto Duran, one of the best lightweights of all time & a multi-division champion, a guy who took absolute bombs from people clean out of his weight class without folding.

The comparison is completely invalid because Duran had an all-time great chin. Hatton, strong likeable lad that he is, does not. To make it hold water Ricky would have had to be coming off a close points loss with, say, the middleweight champion at this time & not suffered a knockdown there. However, he was flattened (eventually but flattened nonetheless) by a light-hitting though preternaturally skilled fighter his own size.

Hearns' KO of Duran was, given the reputation & class of the guy being flattened, a one-off. Please do not muddy its waters with this fight, which I feel is more of the order of Sugar Ray Leonard's knockout of Dave Boy Green.

Sorry to have gone on but some of the hyperbole these last two days is annoying, & I fear that if somehow this gets into a time capsule you'll mislead the cockroach generations whose civilisation will come after ours. They must know the truth!

Ahem...

[HomicideHenry]

Ricky should have a farewell bout against Amir Kahn.

I dont think any of us, or himself, wants the last thing he was known for in boxing, was to be annihilated in two rounds.

[DG.]

Ricky should have a farewell bout against Amir Kahn.

I dont think any of us, or himself, wants the last thing he was known for in boxing, was to be annihilated in two rounds.

But Khan is also fast. Hattonn has no punch resistance...

[Carbo]

Ricky should have a farewell bout against Amir Kahn.

I dont think any of us, or himself, wants the last thing he was known for in boxing, was to be annihilated in two rounds.

But Khan is also fast. Hattonn has no punch resistance...

More proof, if any was needed, of your idiocy.

"Hatton has no punch resistence."

Yeeeessssss. OKaaaaay.

That's rather like watching Michael Spinks against Mike Tyson and saying "Spinks has no punch resistence".

I wonder if anyone, after watching Cuevas against Hearns, said that Cuevas had "no punch resistence".

Pur-lease.

Hatton took bombs of Tszyu. He took a couple of heavy shots off Phillips, too.

The guy has -- or at least had -- punch resistence. What he doesn't have is the ability to withstand a perfectly timed left hook/cross from pound for pound one of the hardest two of three hardest punchers in boxing, landed right on his chin that he didn't see coming.

But that doesn't mean he has "no punch resistence".

Honestly! Some people....

[DG.]

Ricky should have a farewell bout against Amir Kahn.

I dont think any of us, or himself, wants the last thing he was known for in boxing, was to be annihilated in two rounds.

But Khan is also fast. Hattonn has no punch resistance...

More proof, if any was needed, of your idiocy.

"Hatton has no punch resistence."

Yeeeessssss. OKaaaaay.

That's rather like watching Michael Spinks against Mike Tyson and saying "Spinks has no punch resistence".

I wonder if anyone, after watching Cuevas against Hearns, said that Cuevas had "no punch resistence".

Pur-lease.

Hatton took bombs of Tszyu. He took a couple of heavy shots off Phillips, too.

The guy has -- or at least had -- punch resistence. What he doesn't have is the ability to withstand a perfectly timed left hook/cross from pound for pound one of the hardest two of three hardest punchers in boxing, landed right on his chin that he didn't see coming.

But that doesn't mean he has "no punch resistence".

Honestly! Some people....

The 2nd knock down landed on the gloves. Hattons punch reistance is OK for domestic level BUT at World Level, he is done.

Your comments have no historical basis and you have no idea what you are talking about.

The wear and tear on Hatton has contributed to his 'resistance' being ground down to not much on the World Stage.

Pacman has not stretched anyone out like that before, 7 years since he had a quick win like that.

If Hatton had the resistance he had pre KT then he would ave ;asted until the later rounds.

I know the Sport, Carbo does not.

[Tommy Gunn13]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!

Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

Great post.

Getting beaten by those two doesn't mean you're not elite or world class; it just means you're not one of the best fighters of your generation (or all time).

[Carbo]

The 2nd knock down landed on the gloves. Hattons punch reistance is OK for domestic level BUT at World Level, he is done.

Your comments have no historical basis and you have no idea what you are talking about.

The wear and tear on Hatton has contributed to his 'resistance' being ground down to not much on the World Stage.

Pacman has not stretched anyone out like that before, 7 years since he had a quick win like that.

If Hatton had the resistance he had pre KT then he would ave ;asted until the later rounds.

I know the Sport, Carbo does not.

That's just bizarre.

The whole world is talking of Pacquiao's power, but DG reckons it has more to do with Hatton's punch resistence.

Once again, you're just making things up.

Hatton has shown in the past that he does have punch resistence. Now, It MAY be that Hatton's resistence has plunged, but you have NO POINT OF REFERENCE to carry this point if we're using logic in any form. We COULD say that if he got starched of another opponent in six months. But we have no poin of reference other than getting blasted by what looked like the cleanest, hardest, most accurate punch I've seen in years.

You think it's more reasonable to say it was an average punch from a hard puncher that caught a man with no punch resistence.

Now, I would have no problem if you presented this as "I wonder whether all the years of taking hits has ground down Hatton's resistence?" Or "I think Hatton's chin is shot these days."

But no: You presented it as FACT> "Hatton has no punch resistence."

Now, I disagree, but even if I agreed with you, I would also have to conceed that I could not carry my point as "fact" as I have no point of reference. Do you see what I mean? Even if I agree, I couldn't paint it as fact.

But you don't see that, because you're not very bright.

[DG.]

Are we all not just a bit guilty of jumping the gun here?

Yes Ricky was beaten but let's get one or 2 things in perspective before we are all screaming for him to retire and shouting he's shot to bits / or crap.

1. ANYBODY can get caught. That is boxing. Ricky got caught very early in the fight and was never able to recover. Was he over eager? Probably. Did he neglect his defence? Probably.
BUT... a boxer needs to warm up to it and Ricky simply never got the chance. He was caught cold early on and that's that.
It's happened before to big name fighters and you know what? It will happen again. That's what this sport is about!

2. He's crap. He lost to Mayweather and got sparked by Pac. He's crap he was never any good! Woooaahhh there boys.
Yes he lost to Maywether. Hmmm, Who hasn't?
Yes he was caught out by Pacs speed and power. Hmmm who hasn't been.

Would you rather he never took these fights in the first place?
It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all!

Admittedly Hatton has been matched extremely well in his career but, he still has to get the win.
Just like Man U are playing Wigan or Fulham etc, yes there easy games for them but, they still have to win them.

Hatton should sit down and reavaluate his career.

BUT last nights result does not mean he's shot. Was it a bad performance and niave? You betch ya!

Anyway, you have to admit.... Pac is awesome!

Great post.

Getting beaten by those two doesn't mean you're not elite or world class; it just means you're not one of the best fighters of your generation (or all time).

Hatton was carefully matched, note the lack of punchers in their ptime on his record and lack of young fresh fast guys with ambition and power.

He has had 3 fights hat he was not favoutite to win, 3 out of 40 plus fights and he is 1-2 and kncked ot in 2 of them.

If the KT fights was not in England he would not have been allowed to wrestle the way he did.

2 fights against Prime Elite fighters and he was destroyed in both and hardly landed a punch in 12 rounds.

Never prepared to beat the best, after he lost to PBF he fought 'Lazcano and PM?? - how did that prepare him for Pacman?

He won world titles against KT - good win against a past it fighter.

He beat Maussa - Urango and Collazo for belts when he could have easly fought 'Witter - Cotto - SSM - Judah - Holt - Torres - Bradley - Margarito etc, he took the easy route before KT then after KT he continued that way.

He fought 2 prime elite fighters ad was beaten easliy in both of them.

Outclassed.