Middleweight Prospects

[jmc617]

Besides Guerrero, Estrada, Porter and Jacobs which American middleweight (super & jr inc.) are on the rise. I heard of a guy Jonathan Nelson as well.

As amateurs these guys were all fighting each other

[boxmel]

This is better posted on the pro forum, unless you want to start a discussion about amateur middleweight prospects.

[Dennis]

Yes as amateurs they were all competing against each other. That is why they are all good boxers.

[JMac]

I went to Fernando Guerrero's last pro bout and Porter and Dominic Wade were also on the card. Hal does a great job with the promotions and the town of Salisbury, MD loves Fernando. But the guys they were boxing sucked. OK, Fernando's guy was a little better but I told my sons who were with me that the Olympic trials were so much more exciting because these very good boxers were boxing each other and not the bum of month guys they box to build up their records. That's why if that AIBA pro league ever takes off and that is a big if....there will be some good fights since they will be getting drafted onto their teams like we have in other pro sports. The bums of the month who couldn't win a novice amateur bout won't be boxing in the AIBA league. It will be top notch amateurs fighting each other like in the OLympic trials but under pro rules. There will be bigger risk for the boxers to compete in the league but they'll get paid a lot more than if they were fighting 4 rounders on the pro club level but the boxers that emerge from the AIBA pro league as champs will have big time promotors jumping at the chance to sign them.

[kidneypunch]

ok

[Dennis]

I went to Fernando Guerrero's last pro bout and Porter and Dominic Wade were also on the card. Hal does a great job with the promotions and the town of Salisbury, MD loves Fernando. But the guys they were boxing sucked. OK, Fernando's guy was a little better but I told my sons who were with me that the Olympic trials were so much more exciting because these very good boxers were boxing each other and not the bum of month guys they box to build up their records. That's why if that AIBA pro league ever takes off and that is a big if....there will be some good fights since they will be getting drafted onto their teams like we have in other pro sports. The bums of the month who couldn't win a novice amateur bout won't be boxing in the AIBA league. It will be top notch amateurs fighting each other like in the OLympic trials but under pro rules. There will be bigger risk for the boxers to compete in the league but they'll get paid a lot more than if they were fighting 4 rounders on the pro club level but the boxers that emerge from the AIBA pro league as champs will have big time promotors jumping at the chance to sign them.

Jim - you are making an endorsement for amateur boxing. I try to explain to people that the level of competition at most amateur shows and tournaments is way better than you'll find at the pro shows. If we could just get more of the hard core boxing fans to understand it and start attending more amateur shows, the sport would grow.

[JMac]

Jim - you are making an endorsement for amateur boxing. I try to explain to people that the level of competition at most amateur shows and tournaments is way better than you'll find at the pro shows. If we could just get more of the hard core boxing fans to understand it and start attending more amateur shows, the sport would grow.

I agree
Now on the Olympic level, it is a different story. The scoring system is killing international amateur boxing with punch and hold, punch and run, punch and wrestle. I told the other R/J's at the Olympics that I see more exciting novice bouts in Baltimore than in the Olympics because we only use clickers on the LBC level and the boxers just bang instead of what you saw in the Olympics. In the US Olympic Trials, they didn't box to the scoring system and just boxed US style which is mostly a pro style but it was exciting to watch with all of the good US boxers banging instead of what they do in the Olympics. Of course since US boxers didn't box to the system, they were not successful in the Olympics. Oh well.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I went to Fernando Guerrero's last pro bout and Porter and Dominic Wade were also on the card. Hal does a great job with the promotions and the town of Salisbury, MD loves Fernando. But the guys they were boxing sucked. OK, Fernando's guy was a little better but I told my sons who were with me that the Olympic trials were so much more exciting because these very good boxers were boxing each other and not the bum of month guys they box to build up their records. That's why if that AIBA pro league ever takes off and that is a big if....there will be some good fights since they will be getting drafted onto their teams like we have in other pro sports. The bums of the month who couldn't win a novice amateur bout won't be boxing in the AIBA league. It will be top notch amateurs fighting each other like in the OLympic trials but under pro rules. There will be bigger risk for the boxers to compete in the league but they'll get paid a lot more than if they were fighting 4 rounders on the pro club level but the boxers that emerge from the AIBA pro league as champs will have big time promotors jumping at the chance to sign them.

Jim - you are making an endorsement for amateur boxing. I try to explain to people that the level of competition at most amateur shows and tournaments is way better than you'll find at the pro shows. If we could just get more of the hard core boxing fans to understand it and start attending more amateur shows, the sport would grow.

I went to one pro show locally to see one of our guys box who is with GB. Other than his fight, it is was very painful to watch. I've been spoiled watching great amateurs action over the years or watching pros on TV. I agree with you Dennis.

[locoxelbox]

The scoring system is killing international amateur boxing with punch and hold, punch and run, punch and wrestle.

Like Xiaoping Zhang did against Artur Beterbiev in Beijing? Sorry, I couldn't help myself But seriously, the referees should enforce the rules better. With their help amateur boxing could improve. Hopefully the three minute rounds can help a bit.

[JMac]

The scoring system is killing international amateur boxing with punch and hold, punch and run, punch and wrestle.

Like Xiaoping Zhang did against Artur Beterbiev in Beijing? Sorry, I couldn't help myself But seriously, the referees should enforce the rules better. With their help amateur boxing could improve. Hopefully the three minute rounds can help a bit.

Yo Loco, warning, low blow The ref on that bout did do a crappy job, I'll agree
AIBA could help the ref's by not saying contradicting things each day though. But in regards to the scoring system, it has changed the style of boxing from a more exciting pro style to what I described above because the boxers are looking to just score one point at a time instead of punching in bunches.

[crusader]

Zhang was going to win that bout no matter what the referee did. Even with two deductions he still would've won by two points. I thought he lost all but one of his bouts.

[JMac]

Zhang was going to win that bout no matter what the referee did. Even with two deductions he still would've won by two points. I thought he lost all but one of his bouts.

I have to agree with you Crusader and I was the ref on that bout. Loco was just busting my chops. It was not one of my finer moments and I admit I did not do a good job. I wish I could do that one over but it did seem he would of won no matter what I did. I judged his bout in the semis against Shynaliyev from KAZ. It ended 4-4 with Zhang winning on countback. I had the other boxer winning. It seems like he got help in several bouts including the finals aginst Egan.

[locoxelbox]

Yeah, I was just teasing. Any news on the scoring system? They're always talking about trying to improve it but it seems there ain't no way you can have everybody happy.

[JMac]

Yeah, I was just teasing. Any news on the scoring system? They're always talking about trying to improve it but it seems there ain't no way you can have everybody happy.

I recently spoke with the chairman of the AIBA R/J commission and asked him the same questions.
He said they will be getting rid of the open scoring which I am glad about as that is just part of what is wrong with the scoring of amateur boxing. He also said they will do away with the 3 criteria system that evaluates the judges which I also think is good. As for other changes, he was not sure but said people are looking into other ways to score the bouts. I just hope it comes before the 2012 Olympics so we don't to suffer again with what has become of amateur boxing at that level.