Resto-Collins scandal, 1983!

[Rocky Balboa]

www.BS.com/?m=show&id=21214

Check out the link above & just look at the damage done to Collins' face. Its shcoking, revolting! Fcuking scum who thought it would be clever to remove the padding. Proper cunning bastards!

Wish I had HBO channel to watch the up-coming programme about the fight & what took place!

[GAVILAN]

I hate those fvcking cheaters.

Margarito should be banned for life just for trying to cheat. I dont care if he did it before, he got cough trying to do it, thats enough reason to be gone for life. Guys in the ring already risk their life, doing sh!t like the Resto fight and the Marg scandal is sick.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Margarito should be banned for life just for trying to cheat.

- Yet you'll lay back and give Toney, Mosley, and Mr. Field free passes to the bank vaults for cheating.

You dears are so precious.

[GAVILAN]

Margarito should be banned for life just for trying to cheat.

- Yet you'll lay back and give Toney, Mosley, and Mr. Field free passes to the bank vaults for cheating.

You dears are so precious.

You are right, they should be punished too but to what extend? We have to take to account till what degree PED helps boxers. Mosley tooked it for the second DLH fight and he didn't do so well in that fight, imo DLH won that fight. Vargas used it against DLH and we all know what happened. Toney, he was going to beat Ruiz anyway.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

You are right, they should be punished too but to what extend? We have to take to account till what degree PED helps boxers. Mosley tooked it for the second DLH fight and he didn't do so well in that fight, imo DLH won that fight. Vargas used it against DLH and we all know what happened. Toney, he was going to beat Ruiz anyway.

- Peds will help fighters much more than a flimsy flexible strip of unknown substance.

Don't matter what you think, Toney and Mosley felt the need to cheat and not just once either. Mosley was credited with the Oscar win and others and Toney was stripped of only a single dubious win. Both are allowed under lax standards that you endorse to fight on.

[GAVILAN]

You are right, they should be punished too but to what extend? We have to take to account till what degree PED helps boxers. Mosley tooked it for the second DLH fight and he didn't do so well in that fight, imo DLH won that fight. Vargas used it against DLH and we all know what happened. Toney, he was going to beat Ruiz anyway.

- Peds will help fighters much more than a flimsy flexible strip of unknown substance.

Don't matter what you think, Toney and Mosley felt the need to cheat and not just once either. Mosley was credited with the Oscar win and others and Toney was stripped of only a single dubious win. Both are allowed under lax standards that you endorse to fight on.

The fight with Oscar should have been a NC. IMO and he should have served a suspension at least. He never failed a drug test but he did admit of using some sh!t.

[Collins2000]

You dears are so precious.

There's that whiff of lavender again.

Are you sure you aren't suffering from the "English disease"?

[jaclem2]

darn..i thought it might be about collins2000.....who seems fixated on those whiffs of lavendar that must leave a lingering odor in his nostrils....as being called gay stopped being considred an insult back in the early 1970s...

..by the way, collins old fellow..the "english disease" is not a reference to homosexuality.

[Collins2000]

..by the way, collins old fellow..the "english disease" is not a reference to homosexuality.

You need to move with the times, mate. It's not the 1970's now and the "english disease" is all about buggery, dawg!

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=frenc ... hl=en&sa=2

[bollox]

I remember this incident well and it disgusts me just as much today as it did at the time :x

[jaclem2]

..as always i am ahead of my time....and the original definition was not homosexualty....this is a common error much the same as the expressions "the carrot and the stick"...."Immaculate conception" and "disinterested"

[John Galt]

Does anybody know if boxers were allowed to put tape over their knuckles at the time of Resto - Collins? Today, in most places, tape can not be within an inch of the knuckles though tape can be used between the fingers.

The gloves are different today too, but even if a cornerman managed to get the padding out of a glove all the fighter would have is gauze covering his knuckles.

[Expug]

I fought in 83 and I only remember having tape put between the knuckles.
Dont remember it put over the knuckles. Not positive though. Its been a long time.That is per the Illinois athletic commission .
The guy who could tell you more definitively is Frank/ KiKibalt.

[raylawpc]

Does anybody know if boxers were allowed to put tape over their knuckles at the time of Resto - Collins? Today, in most places, tape can not be within an inch of the knuckles though tape can be used between the fingers.

The gloves are different today too, but even if a cornerman managed to get the padding out of a glove all the fighter would have is gauze covering his knuckles.

I wrapped hands in pro fights in Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska and Rhode Island in the mid to late 1970s. In those days and those states, I don't recall any rule forbidding tape on the knuckles. Of course, in those days we routinely used smelling salts too.

I never heard of a restriction in any state back then as to tape on the knuckes. (Not to say there was no restriction anywhere; just that I never heard of it.)

[pete]

Any one see this tonight?Two things for sure.Lewis is still a worthless POS and Luis Resto,while I think might honestly feel bad for what happened to Collins,feels worse for himself,by a large margin.
A good documentary although it doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know,or suspect.

[allworld80]

Any one see this tonight?Two things for sure.Lewis is still a worthless POS and Luis Resto,while I think might honestly feel bad for what happened to Collins,feels worse for himself,by a large margin.
A good documentary although it doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know,or suspect.

Caught the last 35 minutes of it. Panama Lewis looked like he was 8 months pregnant and was iced out like a pimp.

I felt some sympathy for Resto, although not a great deal. The bits where he visited his kids and grandkids was very uncomfortable.

[pete]

I think I read somewhere that Resto was somewhat mentally handicapped,that he was maybe taken advantage of.
While he did come off sympathetic his reaction to Collin's camp grabbing his gloves and his lying for over 20 years clearly shows he knew what was going on,he was as culpable as Lewis,even more so.I think Resto was a loser who just wanted to win a fight,Lewis apparently had more sinister reasons.
Resto,to me,seemed childlike and just did what the "adults" told him to do,still he was as guilty as the rest.
The story of Collins' father lawsuits was something new,in that they might have played a part in Billy not fighting anymore,moreso than his injuries.Hard to say if it's true though.Hard to believe the commission wasn't found liable at all.
A pathetic story all around.

[dajuggernaut]

The HBO documentary was really deep. I'm not quite sure how to feel after it but it was beautifully done. Seemed like Resto could not stand up to Lewis when they had face to face interaction. I highly recommend anyone who has not seen it to give it a watch.

[Tantum]

..as always i am ahead of my time....and the original definition was not homosexualty....this is a common error much the same as the expressions "the carrot and the stick"...."Immaculate conception" and "disinterested"

[dempseyfire]

You are right, they should be punished too but to what extend? We have to take to account till what degree PED helps boxers. Mosley tooked it for the second DLH fight and he didn't do so well in that fight, imo DLH won that fight. Vargas used it against DLH and we all know what happened. Toney, he was going to beat Ruiz anyway.

- Peds will help fighters much more than a flimsy flexible strip of unknown substance.

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More sets of completly made-up falsehoods coming from someone who obviously doesn't understand how anabolic steroids work and what they do. Steroids could be useful for an athlete overcoming injuries or seeking to add on muscle mass but they aren't magic pills that suddenly make an opponent 'faster and stronger' and thus possessing some clear comparative advantage . . .steroids are probably the most misunderstood topic in all of sports. I don't condone their use but people act as if without roids Bonds would've been only hitting 35 home runs a season . . .

[Robinson]

Steroids and PEs are more common in sports than
most people realise at most levels.

They key thing with them is this....

'clean' fighter has to rest tommorow and recover after a
massive session...so can not train as hard.

'using' fighter does not get as sore, or need the recovery
time and trains as hard tommorow, and though his traditional
rest cycle.

Lean muslce mass, fast twitch fibres and so on are an
added element that goes with such intense and regualr
training. The average joe thinks steroids means that a guy
willl look like Arnold....no.

In the US today, HGH and Ephedrine are the new PEs that
have allowed some athletes to look perfect body wise and
perform into their 40s like they are 21 again.

[bjermaine]

i just watched the hbo documentary and it was great. panama lewis is about as sorry as they come. resto came clean and is a better man for it.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

More sets of completly made-up falsehoods coming from someone who obviously doesn't understand how anabolic steroids work and what they do. Steroids could be useful for an athlete overcoming injuries or seeking to add on muscle mass but they aren't magic pills that suddenly make an opponent 'faster and stronger' and thus possessing some clear comparative advantage . . .steroids are probably the most misunderstood topic in all of sports. I don't condone their use but people act as if without roids Bonds would've been only hitting 35 home runs a season . . .

- When I first joined the forum you led the charge in the most insipid baseless personal attacks on me, usually free of any boxing content whatsoever.

Day in and day out you have proven in perfectly plain English to be the dumbest guy on this forum. Steroids make anyone bigger, stronger, and faster, a clear athletic advantage over non-steroid users such that steroids and other peds are banned in most major and minor sports.

That steroids confer clear athletic advantage is the single point of agreement proponents and opponents have in common.

Bonds averaged 32 HR a year through his first 14 seasons as a full time player before he suffered a career ending Achilles injury. In the post surgery rebuilding process he infamously makes his appearance on the Balco list. Suddenly in his mid to late 30s coming off a career ending injury at an age when every player in history shows major declines in batting stats, now Bonds averages 52 HR per year over the next five years, breaking every personal seasonal batting record as well as smashing to smithereens several storied league batting records.

That you know nothing of boxing and now have ambitions of dumbing down baseball also is a disturbing thought for concerned citizens of the world.

[Robinson]

Steroids and PEs do make a difference. That is a fact.

The edge one gets in recovery time alone is a huge factor,
the muscle growth is another factor.

If you can train hard and non stop day in and day out because
of these things, it helps with speed, technique, power,
strength. Whatever you train will develop more...if you want to
power train, punch the bag, lift steel for mass, sprint hard for
speed....or what ever you will see benefits in using this stuff.

HGH is another edge giving thing. How else do you think alot of
guys are able to stay in the game in their late 30s and 40s, it
is a tremendous shot in the arm for these guys as athletes and
men.

Heck a good chunk of the kickboxers that fight at the gym I use
go to Thailand and go on courses, they come back with 4-6kg
more mass, fitter, better trained and solid. You dont go to Thailand
eating their food and training 4hrs atleast a day, running 8km every
AM and gain that much mass or maintaiing that sort of intensity.
Why do people think training camps in Thailand are so popular for
MMAers and kickboxers? In the USA the stuff is easily available but
here in Aust its a lot harder to come by..and guys even at a lower
level use to get an edge.

As tempting as it is...I have not used it. But i can tell you one thing
its hard to compete against those that do, that train well and
efficiently. And it is always tempting, especially when you wake up
the next day to go to work and every part of you is so sore you can
hardly move.

[Collins2000]

Wasn't the general consensus that BRR knows as little about baseball as he does boxing?