Hatton - beyond massive!

[slapbangwhallop]

yes we all know that blows up between fights but there is a picture in todays MEN that isnt in there on line edition and fornicate me the guy is like a balloon.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ons_sights

[Rocky Balboa]

yes we all know that blows up between fights but there is a picture in todays MEN that isnt in there on line edition and eff me the guy is like a balloon.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ons_sights

For some weeks I thought Ricky was edging closer towards hanging up the gloves, but I now feel he will crack the whip one last time! No way Ricky will go out in the manner to which he lost to Pacquiao. I just cannot see him letting that be the final curtain, the last memory of him in the sport!

In saying that, if he has really let himself go even by his own standards, then just getting back to 140lbs could take its toll on him! He will be 31 in Oct, but with his lifestyle, his body probably feels much older!

[hurlock]

say's about a rift re-opening with him an floyd???

a rematch would be stupid aswell as embarassing.

[opticald]

Useless thread without pictures.

[slapbangwhallop]

Useless thread without pictures.

I did state that it wasnt on the online edition!

Any Mancs see todays MEN?

[Wales]

I saw one of him going into a nightclub just before robinhio (robinhios pic was next to it) and he was pretty f-in big in that. I'd go as far to say AS big as Ive ever seen him, now im not saying he was noticably bigger than Ive seen him before, but certainarly as big.

[leeharding]

I saw one of him going into a nightclub just before robinhio (robinhios pic was next to it) and he was pretty f-in big in that. I'd go as far to say AS big as Ive ever seen him, now im not saying he was noticably bigger than Ive seen him before, but certainarly as big.

i think floyd would take him apart 2 be onnest and make him look like a sheet of paper maybe one last crack but not with the best p4pers out there

[Wales]

Floyd, no, the fight would be laughable. Floyd would literally toy with him.

[hitman_hatton1]

give the lad a break.

he's not even gonna be fighting till next year anyway.

that's if he even decides to continue.



bellys gonna get ya.

[boxingchat]

I know prostitution is legal in Vegas but surely not murder!

Hatton really needs to walk away, he could end up damaged if he keeps competing at the level he aspires to. He is becoming slurred (Never sure whether he is pissed though) and he is without doubt slowing down.

No one wants to see a popular fighter, or any fighter for that matter, go one fight too far and become another statistic for the anti-boxing brigade to use against the sport. It is a dangerous sport and the Board should monitor him closly, isn't that what they are there for?

I recall in 1990 Jimmy MacDonnell having his licence revoked after his sickening KO by Kenny Vice. Was his KO any worse than Hattons? Not for me it wasn't and I saw them both first hand.

The Board said it was not in his or the sports interest for him to continue, so what is different now? Is it Hatton's money making power that is cloulding his and the Boards judgement? I really hope not.

The ultimate decision has to come from HAtton himself, but surely the Board and his father/manager Ray have a responsibility to ensure he enjoys his life and the vast wealth earned in the hardest sport of all.

Hatton is seriously rich, he has a life outside Boxing and a young family. Is the decsion really so hard to make? How much money does a man need and is any amount worth risking your helath over?

I see two scenarios for Hatton, he will get beat buy a lower level fighter or, God forbid, once again mix it with the elite and get seriously hurt.

Out of respect for the likes of Bradley Stone, James Murray, Johnny Owens, the G-man and Michael Watson and the sport he professes to love he should walk away and become an ambassador for all the positives of the sport and not some stumbling and slurred advert for the abolishonists to hold up.

Someone needs to protect fighters from themselves, sadly the people who are supposed to be doing it are clearly not.

Let's not be wise after the event, prevention is better than cure.

My opinion, your comments and thoughts, either way would be interesting.

[jizzle]

I know prostitution is legal in Vegas but surely not murder!

Hatton really needs to walk away, he could end up damaged if he keeps competing at the level he aspires to. He is becoming slurred (Never sure whether he is pissed though) and he is without doubt slowing down.

No one wants to see a popular fighter, or any fighter for that matter, go one fight too far and become another statistic for the anti-boxing brigade to use against the sport. It is a dangerous sport and the Board should monitor him closly, isn't that what they are there for?

I recall in 1990 Jimmy MacDonnell having his licence revoked after his sickening KO by Kenny Vice. Was his KO any worse than Hattons? Not for me it wasn't and I saw them both first hand.

The Board said it was not in his or the sports interest for him to continue, so what is different now? Is it Hatton's money making power that is cloulding his and the Boards judgement? I really hope not.

The ultimate decision has to come from HAtton himself, but surely the Board and his father/manager Ray have a responsibility to ensure he enjoys his life and the vast wealth earned in the hardest sport of all.

Hatton is seriously rich, he has a life outside Boxing and a young family. Is the decsion really so hard to make? How much money does a man need and is any amount worth risking your helath over?

I see two scenarios for Hatton, he will get beat buy a lower level fighter or, God forbid, once again mix it with the elite and get seriously hurt.

Out of respect for the likes of Bradley Stone, James Murray, Johnny Owens, the G-man and Michael Watson and the sport he professes to love he should walk away and become an ambassador for all the positives of the sport and not some stumbling and slurred advert for the abolishonists to hold up.

Someone needs to protect fighters from themselves, sadly the people who are supposed to be doing it are clearly not.

Let's not be wise after the event, prevention is better than cure.

My opinion, your comments and thoughts, either way would be interesting.

I've seen your troublesome posts and your lack of answers to questions that posters pose and don't like it...but...that is a seriously great post.

[slapbangwhallop]

I saw one of him going into a nightclub just before robinhio (robinhios pic was next to it) and he was pretty f-in big in that. I'd go as far to say AS big as Ive ever seen him, now im not saying he was noticably bigger than Ive seen him before, but certainarly as big.

I would say he was the biggest I have ever seen him.

[Asterix]

There's a recent video of Ricky here: Ricky Hatton On Zab Judah Pull-Out

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

I know prostitution is legal in Vegas but surely not murder!

Hatton really needs to walk away, he could end up damaged if he keeps competing at the level he aspires to. He is becoming slurred (Never sure whether he is pissed though) and he is without doubt slowing down.

No one wants to see a popular fighter, or any fighter for that matter, go one fight too far and become another statistic for the anti-boxing brigade to use against the sport. It is a dangerous sport and the Board should monitor him closly, isn't that what they are there for?

I recall in 1990 Jimmy MacDonnell having his licence revoked after his sickening KO by Kenny Vice. Was his KO any worse than Hattons? Not for me it wasn't and I saw them both first hand.

The Board said it was not in his or the sports interest for him to continue, so what is different now? Is it Hatton's money making power that is cloulding his and the Boards judgement? I really hope not.

The ultimate decision has to come from HAtton himself, but surely the Board and his father/manager Ray have a responsibility to ensure he enjoys his life and the vast wealth earned in the hardest sport of all.

Hatton is seriously rich, he has a life outside Boxing and a young family. Is the decsion really so hard to make? How much money does a man need and is any amount worth risking your helath over?

I see two scenarios for Hatton, he will get beat buy a lower level fighter or, God forbid, once again mix it with the elite and get seriously hurt.

Out of respect for the likes of Bradley Stone, James Murray, Johnny Owens, the G-man and Michael Watson and the sport he professes to love he should walk away and become an ambassador for all the positives of the sport and not some stumbling and slurred advert for the abolishonists to hold up.

Someone needs to protect fighters from themselves, sadly the people who are supposed to be doing it are clearly not.

Let's not be wise after the event, prevention is better than cure.

My opinion, your comments and thoughts, either way would be interesting.

So the big boss doesn't want him for Khan? It seems a natural fight, but that would depend on Hatton and Warren putting differences aside. I do wonder if there is agenda in this post, no offense if its simply well meaning.

Lets be honest Hatton would always lose to Mayweather/Pacquaio, the new breed for 140lb fighters may also be able to take him at this stage. He is physically a bit past prime and the 2 kos have probably taken something from him, but I'm sure he has 1 good performance left a level or 2 below those P4P'ers. I'd certainly pick him to beat IBF champ Urango and reclaim his IBF belt for the N'th time, he can go out calling himself a 3-4 times champ (I'm sure he'll further embelish that number)

Getting ko'd a couple of times doesn't make you shot to pieces. As for Owens, he had a genetically thin skull, GMAN is thought to have had a lingering brain injury and was weight drained

The question is whether Hatton really wants to fight or hes just in it for the money, if hes in it for the money he could get hurt as his heart wont be in it and he is already loaded. Also could he get up for a Khan or Bradley after failing on the biggest stage

[Wales]

Couple of things

1) Would ther BBBOC need to sanction him as a fighter if he went to fight in nevada for the N'th time? If not, then forget it, the ammount of money he'd bring into Vegas would far outweight the risk.

2) You mentioned Jim Mcdonell getting KO'd against Bobbie Vanzie and therefor wasnt allowed to fight on. Well, Vanzie is no Manny Pacquio. Also, why is the likes of (no disespect to anyone) Jason Nesbitt etc... allowed to fight with 20-70 records when a winning pro isnt? They dont get KO'd as much, well surely accumulation of 70 loses is worse than one big thud in the 2nd round of one fight?

3) Were people not saying Hattons performance against malinaggi was his best since Tszyu? One fight later against P4P # 1 on the planet and he cant fight no more?

[DG.]

Couple of things

1) Would ther BBBOC need to sanction him as a fighter if he went to fight in nevada for the N'th time? If not, then forget it, the ammount of money he'd bring into Vegas would far outweight the risk.

2) You mentioned Jim Mcdonell getting KO'd against Bobbie Vanzie and therefor wasnt allowed to fight on. Well, Vanzie is no Manny Pacquio. Also, why is the likes of (no disespect to anyone) Jason Nesbitt etc... allowed to fight with 20-70 records when a winning pro isnt? They dont get KO'd as much, well surely accumulation of 70 loses is worse than one big thud in the 2nd round of one fight?

3) Were people not saying Hattons performance against malinaggi was his best since Tszyu? One fight later against P4P # 1 on the planet and he cant fight no more?

1) Money talks.

2) Mcdonnelll aganst Vanzie? No! JOurneymen fights against people that learn from them usually.
Hatton fights way outside of his league ( PBF and Pacman ) and could get seriuously hurt if he steps outside his level again.

3) A light puncher would always have trouble with Hatton. I guarantee there will be no more punchers on Hattons slate.


He ony faced 2 and one of them sent him to sleep for 5 minutes. KT was only here for the payday and then quit on the night and after.


8)

[jamesmcdonnell]

I know prostitution is legal in Vegas but surely not murder!

Hatton really needs to walk away, he could end up damaged if he keeps competing at the level he aspires to. He is becoming slurred (Never sure whether he is pissed though) and he is without doubt slowing down.

No one wants to see a popular fighter, or any fighter for that matter, go one fight too far and become another statistic for the anti-boxing brigade to use against the sport. It is a dangerous sport and the Board should monitor him closly, isn't that what they are there for?

I recall in 1990 Jimmy MacDonnell having his licence revoked after his sickening KO by Kenny Vice. Was his KO any worse than Hattons? Not for me it wasn't and I saw them both first hand.

The Board said it was not in his or the sports interest for him to continue, so what is different now? Is it Hatton's money making power that is cloulding his and the Boards judgement? I really hope not.

The ultimate decision has to come from HAtton himself, but surely the Board and his father/manager Ray have a responsibility to ensure he enjoys his life and the vast wealth earned in the hardest sport of all.

Hatton is seriously rich, he has a life outside Boxing and a young family. Is the decsion really so hard to make? How much money does a man need and is any amount worth risking your helath over?

I see two scenarios for Hatton, he will get beat buy a lower level fighter or, God forbid, once again mix it with the elite and get seriously hurt.

Out of respect for the likes of Bradley Stone, James Murray, Johnny Owens, the G-man and Michael Watson and the sport he professes to love he should walk away and become an ambassador for all the positives of the sport and not some stumbling and slurred advert for the abolishonists to hold up.

Someone needs to protect fighters from themselves, sadly the people who are supposed to be doing it are clearly not.

Let's not be wise after the event, prevention is better than cure.

My opinion, your comments and thoughts, either way would be interesting.

Sadly, I don't think money is what is at issue here. It's the same old problem that Jones Jr has found himself in, what happens when the glory ends? How does a fighter define himself outside the ring after twenty years as first an amateur and then a professional.

Hatton doesn't need the money, but he'd be a very special kind of man if he doesn't miss the adulation.

If he is going to fight on, I think he needs to forget about the very top tier. Though I poo-pooed it before, perhaps a fight with Khan should be his swansong, win or lose. Maybe Bradley or Alexander, but please god, not the P4P guys at the top of the spot, I don't think he can compete at that level now, if indeed he ever could.

Hatton has been KO'd fairly brutally twice, but how can the board prevent him from fighting if he is passing his medicals. There are LOTS of fighters who have been KO'd more and are still active.

His family can of course advise him; father Ray could step away and say he would have nothing further to do with his career (although as Angelo Dundee once said, "You start out with a guy, you finish with him."

At the end of the day, Ricky is a grown man, and if he wants to fight on, he will. I am beginning to think he won't fight on, though I suspect that in a couple of years he might change his mind, which will be even more dangerous.

It is hard to see on what grounds Hatton could be prevented from fighting on again at any level. There are loads of perennial contenders out there who have been bashed up in title shots and kept on getting shots at a title as voluntary defences. Who and how is this going to be stopped?

More questions than answers I'm afraid.

[boxingchat]

Couple of things

1) Would ther BBBOC need to sanction him as a fighter if he went to fight in nevada for the N'th time? If not, then forget it, the ammount of money he'd bring into Vegas would far outweight the risk.

TECHNICALY YES, BUT IF HE QUIT HIS BRITISH LICDNCE NOW AS OPPOSED TIO HAVING IT REVOKED HE COULD FIGHT ON IN ENVADA AS HE WOULD BE IN GOOD STADING WITH THE BOARD.

2) You mentioned Jim Mcdonell getting KO'd against Bobbie Vanzie and therefor wasnt allowed to fight on. Well, Vanzie is no Manny Pacquio. Also, why is the likes of (no disespect to anyone) Jason Nesbitt etc... allowed to fight with 20-70 records when a winning pro isnt? They dont get KO'd as much, well surely accumulation of 70 loses is worse than one big thud in the 2nd round of one fight?

BOBBY VANZIE? I SAID KENNY VICE, YOU ARE A FEW YEARS APART THERE. I'M NO DOCTOR BUT HATTON IS WITHOUT DOUBT A FADING FIGURE. WHETHER ITS THE DRINK OR THE PUNISHMENT HIS BODY WONT CARE BUT BOXING WILL BE BLAMED

3) Were people not saying Hattons performance against malinaggi was his best since Tszyu? One fight later against P4P # 1 on the planet and he cant fight no more?

MALLINAGGI WAS POOR AGAINST HATTON AND WAS NEVER A BANGER. THE FACT IS, MANNY BADLY KNOCKED HIM OUT, COLDER THAN COLD. HATTON HAS A BIG HAEART AND LOADS OF BELIEF, THAT COULD ULTIMATELY BE HIS DOWNFALL.

DO YOU THINK HE SHOULD FIGHT AGAIN?

[Wales]

Woah there shouter

I dont have a problem with him fighting again. Clearly I wouldnt want him in with a p4p megastar like floyd or pacman, or even a bigger top 10er like margarito or mosley. But I dont have a massive problem with Hatton fighting agian providing its what he wants.

Mallinaggi took a hellacious beating against Cotto then against Hatton... do you think he should be allowed to fight again?

All about levels isnt it. Khan is not on the same level as Pacman & Mayweather. I certainarly wouldnt have a problem with hatton taking on Khan.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Woah there shouter

I dont have a problem with him fighting again. Clearly I wouldnt want him in with a p4p megastar like floyd or pacman, or even a bigger top 10er like margarito or mosley. But I dont have a massive problem with Hatton fighting agian providing its what he wants.

Mallinaggi took a hellacious beating against Cotto then against Hatton... do you think he should be allowed to fight again?

All about levels isnt it. Khan is not on the same level as Pacman & Mayweather. I certainarly wouldnt have a problem with hatton taking on Khan.

See that's my logic too, you cannot stop Hatton fighting for emotional reasons when the likes of Malignaggi are likely to get another title shot somewhere down the line provided they keep winning.

[dbf]

My worry is that Hatton does come back but after and extended break. Anything more than the 5-6 months between fights that he is used to then I really would be concerned how much weight he would have to shift, and how likely he was to regain any sort of form.

For someone like Mayweather the layoff did not involve him piling on weight and he obviously stays in great shape. Unfortunately the same can't be said for Ricky and if he doesn't return until say May next year, it really could be a disaster, unless the opponent is a real couple of steps down.

The longer he leaves it the worse it will be, he should call it quits but will be able to go out on a loss?

[ALI]

No problem with Hatton fighting again, but he must stay away from the P4P guys, and the 147lbs division.

If he does come back i'd like to see him fight Bradley and Alexander. Even though he is on the slide i'd still favour him slightly over those two. Assuming victory, it would be a great way for him to bow out of the sport.

I'm not interested in the Khan fight, though i'd give Khan a chance at victory against the Hatton of today. The truth is, Amir could not have laced Hatton's boots 5 years ago and i've little interest in watching him sneak the rounds with his rat a tap tap pitter patter punching. I would love to see Hatton club him though

[Loynesy]

Like Boxing Chat professes to have been, I was ringside for the Mayweather and Pac knockouts.

You cannot opine whether Hatton is shot based on the Manny fight. He fought like an idiot, going inside without his gloves up and got brutalised for it, but when he did go in, he went at his normal speed. The 3 or 4 genuine jabs he through also seemed at a good speed and well planted.

I'm not overtly defending Hatton, or saying whether he should fight again, merely observing he did nothing in that fight to suggest his licence should be taken away.

Loynesy

[big lennox]

i don't see how there needs to be a discussion.He can no longer take a quality shot, and will be very vulnerable against any of the top 10 now, particularly when you factor in his agressive and open style. He has been beat badly twice now, and that knock out loss to Manny Pacquiao is as bad as it gets. Have a watch on youtube and remind yourselfs.Terrible that.

[mickey1975]

Couple of things

1) Would ther BBBOC need to sanction him as a fighter if he went to fight in nevada for the N'th time? If not, then forget it, the ammount of money he'd bring into Vegas would far outweight the risk.

2) You mentioned Jim Mcdonell getting KO'd against Bobbie Vanzie and therefor wasnt allowed to fight on. Well, Vanzie is no Manny Pacquio. Also, why is the likes of (no disespect to anyone) Jason Nesbitt etc... allowed to fight with 20-70 records when a winning pro isnt? They dont get KO'd as much, well surely accumulation of 70 loses is worse than one big thud in the 2nd round of one fight?

3) Were people not saying Hattons performance against malinaggi was his best since Tszyu? One fight later against P4P # 1 on the planet and he cant fight no more?

when did jim mcdonnell get ko'd by vanzie.it was kenny vice,in a sickening knockout,straight after a brutal 12 rounder witht the great azumah nelson,and he still boxed again after that!to me,its all abou the state rick gets into between fights.fair enough,if he'd had 18 months out or so,but its been barely 3 months.the body just cant take it anymore